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Allan November 26th 09 08:10 PM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is it compatible?
 
"Mike" wrote in message
...
On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Harry wrote:

No point in getting component cables as the iplayer standard streaming
wont benefit one iota. Lowest common denominator wins here and that's
the programme source.
It's a shame that :-
1. The Wii can't support 720p or 1080p
2. They could have allowed the BBC HD content to be used.

yeah the picture's not great but it beats watching it on my laptop.



On the contrary, it is noticeable a LOT clearer on the component cable.

Allan


Tony November 26th 09 08:13 PM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is it compatible?
 
reg wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Wii and i-player for example along with other platforms it is being added
to. What about ITV, Ch4 and Five programmers will the Wii/i-player etc.
handle these?
I do hope it not a case of being incompatible.
Regards
David


i dont find the picture very clear on the Wii, its not 100% clear.


Its not going to be as good as broadcast. It is using more advanced
compression but that isn't enough to get as good as 'normal' broadcast DTV.

MPEG2 video on terrestrial 4-6Mb/s, which is limiting sometimes and the
picture can still exhibit compression artifacts on fast moving scenes.

MPEG4 on iplayer could get away with 2Mb/s maybe, but Wii iplayer is
around 820Kb/s apparently, and that is equivalent to PC decoding at
500Kb/s (less compressed for the Wii's lower power processor perhaps) so
its 1/4 as good as broadcast.

(figures from posts on Digitalspy)

--
Tony

Tony November 26th 09 08:24 PM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is it compatible?
 
larkim wrote:
On Nov 26, 9:22 am, Harry wrote:
The new Wii iPlayer Channel has allowed the BBC to write an app which
is specifically tailored to the broadcasts that it serves up over
iPlayer, so I guess they've made it as good as they think it can be.
Its certainly much better than watching via the browser on the Wii,
and whilst I don't think anyone would want to use it for watching the
glory of a BBC wildlife programme, it would be absolutely fine and
watchable for something like Casualty etc.
Matt

Ideal, a rubbish player for rubbish programs ;-


(Smiley noted!)

A touch dismissive don't you think!?! The player itself certainly
isn't rubbish, and its more than watchable (for me on a 37inch
Panasonic LCD). Of course, it doesn't compare with watching "live" or
watching a perfect quality reproduction via a PVR, but if you were
organised enough to record everything you might want to watch, then
you wouldn't need iPlayer would you?

Its much better than I thought it would be!

Matt


Me too, I tried it before using the browser and it didn't work, I got
picture for 3s, then buffering for 10s, then picture for 3s...

I used it recently on a good Sony 40" and the results were acceptable,
nothing horrible and unwatchable and no stopping. Not dissimalar to VHS
which most people were more than happy with (until it broke down).

I predict it will be a big hit and all these issues of ISP traffic
shaping will come out. I use a 5GB capped service to get good QoS
(mainly for SIP VOIP services), and I need to wait for ADSL2+ on my
exchange before my ISP will give me a decent data allowance at the same
price to use it more regularly. As it is my work, and my partners
'Vampire wars' is using more than the cap and costing an extra £2
penalty a month. Before Vampire Wars and iPlayer 3GB/month was more than
enough.

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Tony

Roger R[_3_] November 26th 09 09:21 PM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is it compatible?
 

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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get-iplayer is a command line programme for MS windows.


False.


Not here.

I installed the get_iplayer and when the programme is run a black command
line interface opens, downloads a very long page of data and then comes to
rest with a command line prompt:
C:\Progam Files\get_iplayer_
flashing cursor waiting for text input.

I call that a command line interface.

Roger R










Mike[_16_] November 27th 09 09:47 AM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is itcompatible?
 
On Nov 26, 7:10*pm, "Allan" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

...
On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Harry wrote:

No point in getting component cables as the iplayer standard streaming
wont benefit one iota. Lowest common denominator wins here and that's
the programme source.
It's a shame that :-
1. The Wii can't support 720p or 1080p
2. They could have allowed the BBC HD content to be used.

yeah the picture's not great but it beats watching it on my laptop.



On the contrary, it is noticeable a LOT clearer on the component cable.

Allan


I get that using component would clear up the overall Wii picture, but
does it actually improve the iplayer picture? If that's the case is it
worth the £20 or so for the component cables?

larkim November 27th 09 10:05 AM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is itcompatible?
 
On Nov 27, 8:47*am, Mike wrote:
On Nov 26, 7:10*pm, "Allan" wrote:





"Mike" wrote in message


....
On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Harry wrote:


No point in getting component cables as the iplayer standard streaming
wont benefit one iota. Lowest common denominator wins here and that's
the programme source.
It's a shame that :-
1. The Wii can't support 720p or 1080p
2. They could have allowed the BBC HD content to be used.


yeah the picture's not great but it beats watching it on my laptop.


On the contrary, it is noticeable a LOT clearer on the component cable.


Allan


I get that using component would clear up the overall Wii picture, but
does it actually improve the iplayer picture? If that's the case is it
worth the £20 or so for the component cables?


On its own? Probably not. But as an improvement for the overall Wii
picture across games and TV display generally I think the component
cable is worth it. Strangely not all games are available in 480p, and
we've got at least one game which stores its saved game files under
different "names" depending on whether it is running as a 480p or 576i
- so when my eldest son came to play Excite Trucks he discovered all
of his saved games had vanished because I had changed the cables
over!!

Matt

Mike[_16_] November 27th 09 11:00 AM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is itcompatible?
 
On Nov 27, 9:19*am, Jim Mason
wrote:
In article 0eacfeca-db2d-47af-afe5-
,
says...



On Nov 26, 7:10*pm, "Allan" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message


....
On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Harry wrote:


No point in getting component cables as the iplayer standard streaming
wont benefit one iota. Lowest common denominator wins here and that's
the programme source.
It's a shame that :-
1. The Wii can't support 720p or 1080p
2. They could have allowed the BBC HD content to be used.


yeah the picture's not great but it beats watching it on my laptop.


On the contrary, it is noticeable a LOT clearer on the component cable.


Allan


I get that using component would clear up the overall Wii picture, but
does it actually improve the iplayer picture? If that's the case is it
worth the £20 or so for the component cables?


£20!

http://tinyurl.com/yfzmucq

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wii-HD-Cable.../dp/B000NUR582


Blimey! Think i'll give that a go,.

larkim November 27th 09 03:14 PM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is itcompatible?
 
On Nov 27, 10:00*am, Mike wrote:
On Nov 27, 9:19*am, Jim Mason





wrote:
In article 0eacfeca-db2d-47af-afe5-
,
says...


On Nov 26, 7:10*pm, "Allan" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message


...
On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Harry wrote:


No point in getting component cables as the iplayer standard streaming
wont benefit one iota. Lowest common denominator wins here and that's
the programme source.
It's a shame that :-
1. The Wii can't support 720p or 1080p
2. They could have allowed the BBC HD content to be used.


yeah the picture's not great but it beats watching it on my laptop.


On the contrary, it is noticeable a LOT clearer on the component cable.


Allan


I get that using component would clear up the overall Wii picture, but
does it actually improve the iplayer picture? If that's the case is it
worth the £20 or so for the component cables?


£20!


http://tinyurl.com/yfzmucq


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wii-HD-Cable.../dp/B000NUR582


Blimey! Think i'll give that a go,.


Definitely worth £3.32!!!

Matt

Tony November 27th 09 11:18 PM

Seems to be a lot of interest in BBC i-player here, is it compatible?
 
larkim wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:47 am, Mike wrote:
On Nov 26, 7:10 pm, "Allan" wrote:





"Mike" wrote in message
...
On Nov 26, 7:22 am, Harry wrote:
No point in getting component cables as the iplayer standard streaming
wont benefit one iota. Lowest common denominator wins here and that's
the programme source.
It's a shame that :-
1. The Wii can't support 720p or 1080p
2. They could have allowed the BBC HD content to be used.
yeah the picture's not great but it beats watching it on my laptop.
On the contrary, it is noticeable a LOT clearer on the component cable.
Allan

I get that using component would clear up the overall Wii picture, but
does it actually improve the iplayer picture? If that's the case is it
worth the £20 or so for the component cables?


On its own? Probably not. But as an improvement for the overall Wii
picture across games and TV display generally I think the component
cable is worth it. Strangely not all games are available in 480p, and
we've got at least one game which stores its saved game files under
different "names" depending on whether it is running as a 480p or 576i
- so when my eldest son came to play Excite Trucks he discovered all
of his saved games had vanished because I had changed the cables
over!!

Matt


There are 2 or 3 types of component, in the US people talk about
component for HD, but in Europe we have been using RGB as an upgrade
against composite for many years on DVDs and DTV, and even in the
distant past on BBC micro's. The resolution is the same but the colour
signals are easier to seperate for the TV and hence better quality, CRTs
are pixel perfect on RGB connections, LCDs still get shadow/ringing and
crap like that from the scaling/deinterlacing process. The Wii's
progressive is fairly intermediate, but to be honest I havn't tried it.

RGB is a good improvement on native Pal scanning TVs like CRTs, but
virtually all panel pixel based TVs use scalers which lose most of the
benefit. In many ways my Sony LCD has a better composite picture than
RGB, but RGB is just better enough to bother.

--
Tony



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