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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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You asked for advice and I gave mine. You chose to think I'm lying.
That says more about you than me.

Nah, I just think you're arrogant and hopelessly incompetent, as do many
others.

Ah. You read other's minds too? Is there no end to your accomplishments?

I just read others' posts.


BTW, you could give those folks some good advice about getting a good
pro in to do what they need rather than relying on someone who
obviously knows f all about the subject.

And that'd be you, would it?

Definitely not.

No ****.


Anyone foolish enough to let you near their TVs deserves everything
they'd most definitely get.

Oh it's TVs now? Thought it was just PVRs you didn't know about.

On Planet Plowman, "knowing about" PVRs presumably means you've learned how to
add other people's amateurish homebrew patches to an already-useless
half-baked product, and now feel proud of yourself for doing so.


In this case however, I think the glaring lack of competence lies with
the PVR and DVB-T designers. Even the Philips-badged Pace one is
completely unusable.

There you go, then. Design something better.

After I graduate, I shan't rule out getting involved in something like this.


Or you could write your own TAP for a Toppy.

There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza...

Just take a hike, Plowfool. Leave this thread to the helpful people who've
responded sensibly, politely and constructively to my questions.

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The above reasons are partly why I ruled them out - they're not really any
better than the rest IMO, and you also haven't mentioned the non-intuitive
user interface, nor the loud operating noise (on some models).- Hide quoted text -


If you already know, why bother to ask?
You must be about the only one who thinks the user interface is non-
intuitive...perhaps you havent really spent time with one? I would
agree that the FREESAT PVR is confusing though, and I could have sold
dozens of these to older customers in poor reception areas if they
were easier to use.
The noise on the 9150 and 9300 was solved bu the software upgrade
shortly after release.

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In article ,
jamie powell wrote:
On Planet Plowman, "knowing about" PVRs presumably means you've learned
how to add other people's amateurish homebrew patches to an
already-useless half-baked product, and now feel proud of yourself for
doing so.

I've recommended and installed Toppys for two elderly folks who are happy
with them. With only the supplied software. Of course they were happy to
pay for a quality product unlike you. None of the several I know have
given any trouble at all.


In this case however, I think the glaring lack of competence lies with
the PVR and DVB-T designers. Even the Philips-badged Pace one is
completely unusable.

There you go, then. Design something better.

After I graduate, I shan't rule out getting involved in something like
this.

Since you appear to know it all it comes as a surprise you're still
learning.


Or you could write your own TAP for a Toppy.

There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza...

Just take a hike, Plowfool. Leave this thread to the helpful people
who've responded sensibly, politely and constructively to my questions.

Another who thinks he owns a newsgroup. The arrogance of the young.
But you will learn one day.

--
*Sometimes I wake up grumpy; Other times I let him sleep.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"widgitt" wrote in message
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The above reasons are partly why I ruled them out - they're not really any
better than the rest IMO, and you also haven't mentioned the non-intuitive
user interface, nor the loud operating noise (on some models).- Hide quoted
text -


If you already know, why bother to ask?

If you read my initial post properly, you'll find I was asking for personal
experiences of the Vestel and TVonics units, not the Humax.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
jamie powell wrote:
On Planet Plowman, "knowing about" PVRs presumably means you've learned
how to add other people's amateurish homebrew patches to an
already-useless half-baked product, and now feel proud of yourself for
doing so.

I've recommended and installed Toppys for two elderly folks who are happy
with them. With only the supplied software. Of course they were happy to
pay for a quality product unlike you. None of the several I know have
given any trouble at all.

Topfield make decent PVRs on Planet Plowman then. How sweet.
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth.... *points to the plethora of negative posts
about Topfields, both here and elsewhere*


..

After I graduate, I shan't rule out getting involved in something like
this.

Since you appear to know it all it comes as a surprise you're still
learning.

I'm flattered, but I'm not quite where I plan to be in my career just yet.


Just take a hike, Plowfool. Leave this thread to the helpful people
who've responded sensibly, politely and constructively to my questions.

Another who thinks he owns a newsgroup. The arrogance of the young.
But you will learn one day.

Off you go now. The exit's just over there. *points to a cartoon-style 3rd
floor external doorway leading to a 19ft drop*

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On Nov 21, 1:24*am, "jamie powell" wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in ...



Reading between the lines it's too expensive for you anyway. One day
you'll learn you often get what you pay for.

What are you on about now?
I have expensive taste as it happens, but in this case it isn't me that's
paying.
I'll be buying and installing around 10 digital recorders after switchover for
a group of elderly 'church people', all of whom are currently still using VHS
(quite happily).
I'd rather not land them with a defective, half-baked product.

I use a Humax (I've got three in fact) and yes it's a bit buggy but if
your 80 year olds can't switch a piece of equipment on an off then
there probably isn't anything that will suit them. Otherwise 99.9% of
the time it's is easy to use and produces good results. (I had that as
"god results" which might have suited your church people)

--
Maurice

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On Nov 19, 6:05*pm, "jamie powell" wrote:


Someone also said that the hard disc spins up every 45mins when the box is in
standby mode, and the noise of this is annoying.


Your 80 year olds must have above average hearing if they find an HD
spin up annoying.

--
Maurice

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In article 3ffda674-6408-4183-9197-
, Widgitt wrote:
The main thing is to teach them to use the epg right from square one,
rather than changing channels with the number buttons. This way they
soon get used to the curser-type control. (Initially older people
always seem to hold the buttons for too long and run through about ten
channels at a time!)

This is one of the most basic failings of most kinds of electronic
controls these days. They require the user not just to press a button
but to press it for a carefully controlled amount of time. There is
often a delay between pressing a button and the required effect taking
place, so it isn't really surprising that anybody new to this will keep
pressing longer than needed. It's a good thing cars were invented before
software.

Rod.
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote

I've recommended and installed Toppys for two elderly folks who are happy
with them. With only the supplied software.

So what happened on the nation re-tuning day? The Toppy.org forums were
full of people seeking help with un-modified firmware that didn't
support the SplitNit, those who didn't realise that re-tuning only adds
channels and doesn't get rid of the previous channel allocations (a
factory default is required first) and how to get rid of duplicate
(weak) channels from different transmitters or the empty channel place
holders that the broadcasters thoughtfully provided.

While I believe that many old people can deal with technology just as
well as anyone else some PVR controls are not that intuitive, especially
when it comes to configuration changes, and can catch out all age
groups.

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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In article ,
jamie powell wrote:
I've recommended and installed Toppys for two elderly folks who are happy
with them. With only the supplied software. Of course they were happy to
pay for a quality product unlike you. None of the several I know have
given any trouble at all.

Topfield make decent PVRs on Planet Plowman then. How sweet. Meanwhile,
back on Planet Earth.... *points to the plethora of negative posts
about Topfields, both here and elsewhere*

Most who buy this sort of high price PVR are likely to be more critical of
the performance etc. To get any real sense out of it you'd need to see
their comments on a cheapie. And as you may have noticed, there has been
no firm and repeated recommendation at this end of the market.
But perhaps you simply haven't read the thread?

I've noted the negative comments about Topfield but in some cases just
aren't my experience of the several I know. And there are just as many
about Humax.

--
*OK, so what's the speed of dark? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.