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Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen?
What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Graham." wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut? Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at 00:26. There was a short period of low power beforehand. A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w (my capture card misbehaves at the end though). The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48. I sat through the horrid "BBC North West Tonight" programme yesterday evening, to see if DSO1 was discussed (it was). Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which have already happened. Choice quotes: On-Location Reporter: "...tomorrow they're going to pull out this red link, and BBC2 analogue won't exist any longer. But that won't worry you, will it, because you will have already retuned. Please tell me you've done it by now!" Presenter1: "Yeah, we have! We had the man over this morning." Presenter2: "My TV did it for me actually." ....and later... Presenter2: "If you have more than five channels, you don't need to do a thing". ....oh, and if you have a TV without a SCART socket... Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with an RSA lead". |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Paul Martin" wrote in message ... In article , jamie powell wrote: A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w (my capture card misbehaves at the end though). The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48. The U link was pulled at 00:26/23 according to the CEEFAX header line. If they just pulled the U link, wouldn't this leave the analogue transmission still on air, in RBS mode? |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Just watch for the pikeys driving off with the scrap.. grin.
Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "Graham." wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
In article , Graham.
writes What should we expect, Lots of phone calls from elderly, deaf rellies. "No, Aunty. Press the DIGITAL button". "But we always press ANALOGUE and it works" "Not any more, Aunty. The men who look after the transmitters have made some big changes. You'll have to press DIGITAL in future" "Oh. Why didn't anyone tell us?" I didn't go down the retune route. I'm gonna take the phone off the hook and hide under the bedclothes. -- Mike Tomlinson |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut? Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at 00:26. There was a short period of low power beforehand. A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w (my capture card misbehaves at the end though). The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48. Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62, never mind decode it! Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of a pending update. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message ... In article , Graham. writes What should we expect, Lots of phone calls from elderly, deaf rellies. "No, Aunty. Press the DIGITAL button". "But we always press ANALOGUE and it works" "Not any more, Aunty. The men who look after the transmitters have made some big changes. You'll have to press DIGITAL in future" "Oh. Why didn't anyone tell us?" I didn't go down the retune route. I'm gonna take the phone off the hook and hide under the bedclothes. See my previous post. I'm supposed to know a little about this stuff, and even I have lost BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX. If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Graham. wrote:
Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62, never mind decode it! Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of a pending update. Downloadable from he- http://www.futaura.co.uk/vestel.html Click on the '5.7', in the T810 Table All you need then is an RS232 lead. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:44:30 -0000, "Graham." wrote:
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message ... In article , Graham. writes What should we expect, Lots of phone calls from elderly, deaf rellies. "No, Aunty. Press the DIGITAL button". "But we always press ANALOGUE and it works" "Not any more, Aunty. The men who look after the transmitters have made some big changes. You'll have to press DIGITAL in future" "Oh. Why didn't anyone tell us?" I didn't go down the retune route. I'm gonna take the phone off the hook and hide under the bedclothes. See my previous post. I'm supposed to know a little about this stuff, and even I have lost BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX. If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got? No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ? |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
In article , Graham.
writes If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got? My aunt isn't quite so maiden, she cooked me a mean fish pie last night. Yum. Even my Mum called me, and she's fiercely independent and highly intelligent. She had the booklet from Digital TV and couldn't get anywhere with either of her tellies. Neither of them were aware of the switchover today. Very, very poorly publicised IMO. Nor was my colleague at work, who has watched TV via a bit of coax tied to the curtain rail for years and years. Said to him just now, "how's your TV picture?" His reply was "same as ever, excellent, why?" Not tonight it won't be mate, was my reply. :) -- Mike Tomlinson |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"jamie powell" wrote in message ... "Graham." wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut? Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at 00:26. There was a short period of low power beforehand. A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w (my capture card misbehaves at the end though). The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48. I sat through the horrid "BBC North West Tonight" programme yesterday evening, to see if DSO1 was discussed (it was). Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which have already happened. Choice quotes: On-Location Reporter: "...tomorrow they're going to pull out this red link, and BBC2 analogue won't exist any longer. But that won't worry you, will it, because you will have already retuned. Please tell me you've done it by now!" Presenter1: "Yeah, we have! We had the man over this morning." Presenter2: "My TV did it for me actually." ...and later... Presenter2: "If you have more than five channels, you don't need to do a thing". ...oh, and if you have a TV without a SCART socket... Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with an RSA lead". An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee plugs. I am not sure if a pedant wouldn't correct that to Belling & Lee. Let's not even mention the pass-through vs. UHF modulator trifle. Thanks for putting the video on youtube, but what I wanted to see was the nose when the carrier went off. On this occasion, a camera pointing at a telly, preferably a mid-sixties vintage dual-standard set would be appropriate. That would be the direct analogue to this (pun very much intended) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4 Which no doubt you have seen before. Mind you, it still has a locked raster at the end, and who's to say it's a genuine off air feed? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
mm wrote:
No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ? Have you run a rescan since 6am this morning ? You need to, to get the main BBC mux back, because it's moved frequency (to where BBC 2 analogue was until last night). -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Graham. wrote: Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62, never mind decode it! Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of a pending update. Downloadable from he- http://www.futaura.co.uk/vestel.html Click on the '5.7', in the T810 Table All you need then is an RS232 lead. Thanks Mark, that worked a treat on both boxes. Nice of Bill (not our Bill, the American one), to ship Vista without a terminal application, and my XP laptop didn't ship with a COM port. Anyway, I discovered the hypertrm.exe & dll files from XP work in Vista without any installation. How on earth is the average punter going to cope with that then? Has there been an OTA update that I have missed, I doubt it as they are on 24/7 -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Paul Martin" wrote in message ... In article , jamie powell wrote: "Paul Martin" wrote in message ... The U link was pulled at 00:26/23 according to the CEEFAX header line. If they just pulled the U link, wouldn't this leave the analogue transmission still on air, in RBS mode? Ah, that rather depends on which link was pulled, doesn't it? Well, turning off a transmitter generally involves a switch, not a U link... |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... mm wrote: No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ? Have you run a rescan since 6am this morning ? You need to, to get the main BBC mux back, because it's moved frequency (to where BBC 2 analogue was until last night). Oddly, pre-DSO Mux C has also moved (from UHF60), to the old pre-DSO Mux 1 frequency (UHF56). |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Here in South Yorkshire we do not expect to receive Winter Hill, because the
Pennines are in the way. However, my house has a good view to the west, so I have an XG21CD on a pole on the back yard. We used to use it for Granada in the days when having more than three channels was rather exotic. The aerial is actually pointing almost at Emley Moors as well as at Winter Hill, which is unfortunate because the Emley signals from it are at about 30dBmV (analogue ch51) whereas the Winter Hill analogues were always at about -17dBmV. I used to use a single channel preamp made from an old TV tuner for ch59. Anyway, please excuse this long and tedeous preamble, but I am an old man and I am much given to waffling. Today I hooked up a 9dB masthead amp to the XG21. The amp was one of Mr Wade's excellent products, and it withstood the onslaught of Emley signals perfectly. Not a trace of a problem there. Remarkable. This is what I received today: |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:36:57 -0000, Graham. wrote:
Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which have already happened. Which bit of "The Lakes"? The north, served from Calbeck, went last year but the south is served from Winter Hill... Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with an RSA lead". An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee plugs. Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a clue what one of those is. -- Cheers Dave. |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Graham. wrote:
How on earth is the average punter going to cope with that then? Indeed ! Has there been an OTA update that I have missed, I doubt it as they are on 24/7 AIUI it was carried in Nov 2008, but on Mux B, because the problem was discovered after Selkirk's DSO, and affected Mux 1 (PSB 1) reception in that area. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:36:57 -0000, Graham. wrote: Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which have already happened. Which bit of "The Lakes"? The north, served from Calbeck, went last year but the south is served from Winter Hill... Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with an RSA lead". An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee plugs. Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a clue what one of those is. Most have a male output, usually just pass-through, but a small proportion do indeed have a modulator. The ones with only an input tend to be very small form-factor, including USB sticks and those built into an oversized SCART plug. I've never seen a DTTV box with a F type, but I would applaud the first manufacturer to do so -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Bill" wrote in message ... Here in South Yorkshire we do not expect to receive Winter Hill, because the Pennines are in the way. You'd be amazed at how good my reception of Emley Moor is (in a certain spot of our kitchen at least), here on t'other side of the pennines. |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
I'm using a newsreader called News Rover, and the half completed message
came about because I don't know how to work it. Bill |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Yes, it seems that Emley penetrates to the west far more than WH penetrates
to the east. It's surprising because I believe it doesn't radiate a great deal of power in that direction, and compared to the height of the hills it isn't actually all that elevated. WH reception here is possible in a few places, and these places have, on the face of it, nothing special about them. Presumably the shape of the hills is responsible. Bill |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:36:57 -0000, Graham. wrote: The ones with only an input tend to be very small form-factor, including USB sticks and those built into an oversized SCART plug. Excuse me, but I'm not really up to date with this modern jargon. Does 'very small form-factor' mean 'very small'? Bill |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"jamie powell" wrote in message ... "Paul Martin" wrote in message ... In article , jamie powell wrote: "Paul Martin" wrote in message ... The U link was pulled at 00:26/23 according to the CEEFAX header line. If they just pulled the U link, wouldn't this leave the analogue transmission still on air, in RBS mode? Ah, that rather depends on which link was pulled, doesn't it? Well, turning off a transmitter generally involves a switch, not a U link... Perhaps the transmitter takes matters into its own hands if the sync pulses disappear. And then there's the small matter of the sound Tx. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
In article , [email protected]
this.com wrote: No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ? Yes since retune about 12:00, but getting no EPG when tuned to BBC1 on both Humax 9200 and 8000, both working OK but slow on 4. Received EPG on Samsung TV tuned to BBC1. I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:17:52 -0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote: In article , [email protected] this.com wrote: No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ? Yes since retune about 12:00, but getting no EPG when tuned to BBC1 on both Humax 9200 and 8000, both working OK but slow on 4. Received EPG on Samsung TV tuned to BBC1. I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested. Rod. I have an old Philips (ITV Digital) box I have retuned many times today & I still have no BBC 1 & 2 It does not indentify them but my channels start at 3 (ITV) channel 1 & 2 blank. Will I need a new Digital box ? |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
The ones with only an input tend to be very small form-factor, including
USB sticks and those built into an oversized SCART plug. Excuse me, but I'm not really up to date with this modern jargon. Does 'very small form-factor' mean 'very small'? I suppose I asked for that :-) Yes. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
jamie powell wrote:
Oddly, pre-DSO Mux C has also moved (from UHF60), to the old pre-DSO Mux 1 frequency (UHF56). Yes, I suspect that's because PSB 1 at Kendal (that DSO'd a few months ago) moves on Nov 12th from Ch 64 to Ch 60. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:17:52 -0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote: I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested. Rod. Same problem with humax PVR150 - need to reset it (delete all channel info) and then autotune, not just scan for changes. -- David: NorthWest England |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:13 +0000, Paul Martin wrote:
Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a clue what one of those is. In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a pack of cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an IR extension. No SCART socket. Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to loop the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional though. Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't down for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with it unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink flap). Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off the house. If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display on it I'd be interested for use a radio. -- Cheers Dave. |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:13 +0000, Paul Martin wrote: Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a clue what one of those is. In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a pack of cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an IR extension. No SCART socket. Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to loop the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional though. Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't down for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with it unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink flap). Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off the house. If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display on it I'd be interested for use a radio. Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco. Grundig Freesat boxes too. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:14:21 -0000, Graham. wrote:
If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display on it I'd be interested for use a radio. Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco. Grundig Freesat boxes too. Yeah, now read the question again, properly. -- Cheers Dave. |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
"mm" wrote in message ... I have an old Philips (ITV Digital) box I have retuned many times today & I still have no BBC 1 & 2 It does not indentify them but my channels start at 3 (ITV) channel 1 & 2 blank. Will I need a new Digital box ? Yes, none of the old On Digital/ITV Digital boxes will recognise the channel 62 signal. On December 2nd, when all WH muxes are transferred over to 8k, your box will not be capable of decoding any channels (unless it is moved to a pre-DSO area). Sheila |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
On BBC Wales Today this evening (6.30pm bulletin), after a small piece
about the Long Mountain switchover (BBC2 carrier lost 1:01.50), the presenter then said that not everything had gone according to plan and that viewers from Winter Hill were watching BBC Wales Today instead of their usual BBC regional news. Any ideas what happened? |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display on it I'd be interested for use a radio. You might not find one: the commercial aspects would dictate if there's a decent display nearby (?) it's not worth putting expensive components on the box itself. This prompts the thought: is there any metadata in the SP-DIF datastream you might use? -- SimonM ----- TubeWiz.com ----- Video making/uploading that's easy to use & fun to share Try it today! (now with DFace blurring) |
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Richard W. Jones wrote:
On BBC Wales Today this evening (6.30pm bulletin), after a small piece about the Long Mountain switchover (BBC2 carrier lost 1:01.50), the presenter then said that not everything had gone according to plan and that viewers from Winter Hill were watching BBC Wales Today instead of their usual BBC regional news. Any ideas what happened? The post DSO transmission powers are such that in overlap areas (Manchester is a prime example) digital receivers are often finding the 'wrong' transmissions before the 'correct' ones, resulting in the wrong regions being assigned Chs 1,2,3 etc, and the intended regions being pushed to Ch 8**. Particularly when the out of region transmitters are lower in the UHF band, than the local ones. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
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The message
from Mike Tomlinson contains these words: In article , Graham. writes If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got? My aunt isn't quite so maiden, she cooked me a mean fish pie last night. Yum. Even my Mum called me, and she's fiercely independent and highly intelligent. She had the booklet from Digital TV and couldn't get anywhere with either of her tellies. Neither of them were aware of the switchover today. Very, very poorly publicised IMO. From my PoV, I have to agree. However, it was my missus who mentioned the planned ending of analogue BBC2 when she got a strong reminder in the form of discovering for herself, its actual absence when she tried to tune to BBC2 analogue this afternoon as a result of the mux that carried it _also_ being shifted. Talk about a "Double Whammy"! D'oh! It's bad enough to lose the BBC2 analogue as a 'weening off" of the analogue channel dependency exercise, but to compound that loss by presenting would be digital viewers with a 'Loss' of that very same channel, along with BBC1 and BBC3 as well, borders on sheer bloody minded stupidity. I have to say, with a change of this magnitude (Storeton _Main_ Relay), I'm surprised there wasn't an intensive publicity campaign. Once it had become apparent that the BBC2 transmissions had also disappeared from the digital STBs as well as the analogue channel and I had gotten over my initial (erroneous) assumption that someone had pulled the wrong plug somewhere in the system, I did a retune on the Toppy to confirm the mux change then did the same for the cheap stb in the back kitchen before retuning the DVB-T USB stick on the laptop and the PCI tuner in my desktop. I've already noted the min and max channel frequencies that Storeton will be using over the whole period of the changeover so that I could avoid the spurious crap from other transmitters and speed up the tuning process. The PCI card managed to retune ok, but no ITV3. The usb stick on the laptop was intermittently causing the DTVR program to give up with an error message box during my many attempts to scan all 6 muxes. In the end, I decided to try an attenuator in line. A quick rummage in my desk drawer revealed a pair of 10 db pads joined together which I quickly inserted into the USB stick's antenna feed. Rather noteworthy of the effect was that there was no apparent effect on the signal meter readings which had been at the max. However, my next retune attempt successfully tuned all 6 muxes with no loss of the ITV3 channel stream. Now I know we're quite close to the Storeton relay (about 2 miles or so) and I'm using, afaicr, a ten ele vertical on a pole lashed to the main chimney stack with about 10 metres worth of brown 'low loss' co-ax feeding a four way distribution amp in the attic. I'm not certain but I think it might be an SLx4B made by Philex (at least it matches the looks of an SLx2B, complete with obscenely bright blue "power on" indicator LED (2 way splitter with 6db gain). I suspect the gain on the fourway is also 6db but that's just an educated guess since I bought it mainly to allow me to split the feed and provide just a modest boost to mitigate the effect of feeder loss on the WH signals we were using at the time (an 18 ele HP Yagi mounted higher up the same pole as the Storeton antenna which I'd fitted at a later date), Both antennas are still in working order but we're now using the Storeton one, leaving the feeder from the WH antenna hanging by the amp for a 'quick changeover' in the unlikely event that Storeton ever goes off the air. Anyhow, one outlet feeds the original (chopped into) brown co-ax feed to the ground floor living room with a feed to my son's bedroom and one to my office on the floor below using white ex-NTL co-ax (double screened as I recall ;) with F connectors fitted each end (belling lee adapters used where needed) so I'd expect to get a healthy signal into my office. However, I've split it using an ex-NTL 3 way splitter so I can feed the two PC tuners as well as our bedroom next door. I'd expect the recievers to be seeing the equivilent of an unsplit unamplified antenna signal as a result, but I was surprised it was so strong that the pair of 10 db 'Forward Path Attenuators' (also ex-NTL) that I had cascaded still allowed a healthy signal level to reach the USB tuner. Since I'd previously had no trouble tuning the muxes prior to the BBC2 analogue switch off, I'm wondering whether the power has been turned up on the muxes in spite of the presence of the remaining analogue services. Anyway, I suspect I might need to attenuate the signal going to the PCI tuner (it might solve the issue of the missing ITV3 channel). At the moment I've taken one of the pads out of the line feeding the USB stick so I think I'll relocate the remaining pad to the input of the three way splitter to apply an all round reduction to the PC tuners (and the next door bedroom feed). Does anyone know if the mux power levels from Storeton have already been boosted at this early stage of the proceedings? I thought that wasn't going to happen until _all_ the analogue transmissions had been switched off. -- Regards, John. Please remove the "ohggcyht" before replying. The address has been munged to reject Spam-bots. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
message ll.co.uk... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:13 +0000, Paul Martin wrote: Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a clue what one of those is. In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a pack of cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an IR extension. No SCART socket. Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to loop the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional though. Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't down for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with it unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink flap). Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off the house. If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display on it I'd be interested for use a radio. -- Cheers Dave. May be wrong but I think the Humax FoxT2 has such. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
In article , Graham.
writes and even I have lost BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX. Retuned my Mum's Inverto IDL 7000 PVR last night and it won't pick up the new BBC1 and 2 mux (is it 62?). Other boxes seem ok. What do I do now? The firmware in the Inverto hasn't been updated for years. -- (\__/) (='.'=) Bunny says Windows 7 is Vi$ta reloaded. (")_(") http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png |
Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
In article , Johnny B Good
writes Talk about a "Double Whammy"! D'oh! It's bad enough to lose the BBC2 analogue as a 'weening off" of the analogue channel dependency exercise, but to compound that loss by presenting would be digital viewers with a 'Loss' of that very same channel, along with BBC1 and BBC3 as well, borders on sheer bloody minded stupidity. Totally agreed. Letters will be sent as soon as addresses are found. The pointy hats, burning crosses, and pitchforks are being prepared. The PCI card managed to retune ok, but no ITV3. The usb stick on the laptop was intermittently causing the DTVR program to give up with an error message box during my many attempts to scan all 6 muxes. H'm. On a working box pointed at WH, I get 8, with a total of 126 programmes. However, my next retune attempt successfully tuned all 6 muxes with no loss of the ITV3 channel stream. Ah. Interesting. Mum (who can't get BBC1 or 2 on an Inverto 7000 PVR) has an amp. Must try retuning without it. I also have an Inverto but can't face retuning it just yet. -- (\__/) (='.'=) Bunny says Windows 7 is Vi$ta reloaded. (")_(") http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png |
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