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Grumps[_4_] November 2nd 09 11:54 AM

Blu-ray players
 
Hi
It may be that this isn't the best group for discussing the subject. If
there is a better one (uk.media.home-cinema looks dead as does
rec.video.dvd.players), let me know.
Is there much difference in the picture quality or operation between the
Sony BDPS360 and BDPS560? From my research, the older BDPS550 had the
advantage of a 7.1 analog output, but this is gone on the 560. Couldn't care
less about WiFi.
It'd be driving a Panasonic HD (720p) projector with about 100" diagonal
image, if that makes any difference.
Ta.



David November 2nd 09 02:04 PM

Blu-ray players
 


"Grumps" wrote in message
...

It'd be driving a Panasonic HD (720p) projector with about 100" diagonal
image, if that makes any difference.


Can't it do better than that my old Panasonic can.

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Adrian[_3_] November 2nd 09 05:19 PM

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David wrote:
"Grumps" wrote in message
...

It'd be driving a Panasonic HD (720p) projector with about 100"
diagonal image, if that makes any difference.


Can't it do better than that my old Panasonic can.


Your old Panasonic what?
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Ron Lowe[_2_] November 2nd 09 07:27 PM

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Grumps wrote:
Hi
It may be that this isn't the best group for discussing the subject. If
there is a better one (uk.media.home-cinema looks dead as does
rec.video.dvd.players), let me know.
Is there much difference in the picture quality or operation between the
Sony BDPS360 and BDPS560? From my research, the older BDPS550 had the
advantage of a 7.1 analog output, but this is gone on the 560. Couldn't care
less about WiFi.
It'd be driving a Panasonic HD (720p) projector with about 100" diagonal
image, if that makes any difference.
Ta.



I've no experince with the Sony stuff, but if you are looking for a
top-end BD player, then you probably should consider the OPPO BDP-83.

--
Ron

Mark Carver November 2nd 09 07:33 PM

Blu-ray players
 
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.


You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for it, etc,

However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games console, and
that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses, including BBCi player,
which means you can watch such content full screen and on your telly !


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David November 2nd 09 08:35 PM

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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
David wrote:
"Grumps" wrote in message
...

It'd be driving a Panasonic HD (720p) projector with about 100"
diagonal image, if that makes any difference.


Can't it do better than that my old Panasonic can.


Your old Panasonic what?
--


Projector!

--
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.


David November 2nd 09 08:38 PM

Blu-ray players
 


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.


You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for it, etc,

However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games console,
and that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses, including BBCi
player, which means you can watch such content full screen and on your
telly !



Will this, and the others do Multi Region DVD and/or BD?

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Regards,
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FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.


Alan[_4_] November 3rd 09 01:18 AM

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In message , Ron Lowe
wrote

I've no experince with the Sony stuff, but if you are looking for a
top-end BD player, then you probably should consider the OPPO BDP-83.



I have a Sony (BDP-S350) and I'm not that impressed with it. It is SO
SLOW loading BR disks and has a poor user interface.
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widgitt November 3rd 09 01:47 AM

Blu-ray players
 
I would never have thought of using a "games" unit but now I have had
time to play with a Playstation 3 it is so flexible and does so many
things well, I would certainly buy one. One big annoyance for me as an
installer was that it would only output sound to one set of outputs at
a time so it was difficult to set it up as an audio "jukebox" and to
feed an HDMI TV etc all at once but the recent software download has
fixed that.
Very good Blue Ray player, and picture viewer and pretty good iPlayer
as well.


Sean Black November 3rd 09 08:59 AM

Blu-ray players
 
In message , David
writes


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.


You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for it, etc,

However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games
console, and that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses,
including BBCi player, which means you can watch such content full
screen and on your telly !



Will this, and the others do Multi Region DVD and/or BD?


The PS3 won't, which as far as I'm concerned is it's only downside.

You can get some players that are multi-region for DVD and a few that
are for both DVD and BD, but they are definitely in the minority. Have a
look at somewhere like www.multiregionmagic.co.uk (no connection, other
than having bought a DVD player off them years ago, but thinking of
getting a multi-region BD player off them at some stage).
--
Sean Black

Mark[_13_] November 3rd 09 12:00 PM

Blu-ray players
 
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:36:35 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
wrote:

In article ,
Sean Black wrote:
In message , David
writes


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.

You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for it, etc,


Not if you connect with ethernet which is faster and far more reliable.

However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games
console, and that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses,
including BBCi player, which means you can watch such content full
screen and on your telly !



Will this, and the others do Multi Region DVD and/or BD?


The PS3 won't, which as far as I'm concerned is it's only downside.


It has a few others like

No DTS Re-encode.
No 7.1 analogue outputs
Noisy
Horrible games remote control
Ugly and then some.
Its a kid's games machine for heavens sake.

Some of these could have changed with the latest version I've not checked.

But its horses for courses there is no universal solution but I think the
OPPO BD83 gets closer than anything else.


I should think the PS3's power consumption would be considerably
higher than a dedicated BR player.

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Mike[_16_] November 3rd 09 12:05 PM

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On Nov 3, 8:36*am, Bob Latham wrote:
In article ,
* *Sean Black wrote:

In message , David
writes


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.


You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for it, etc,


Not if you connect with ethernet which is faster and far more reliable.

However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games
console, *and that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses,
including BBCi *player, which means you can watch such content full
screen and on your *telly !


Will this, and the others do Multi Region DVD and/or BD?


The PS3 won't, which as far as I'm concerned is it's only downside.


It has a few others like

No DTS Re-encode.
No 7.1 analogue outputs
Noisy
Horrible games remote control
Ugly and then some.
Its a kid's games machine for heavens sake.

Some of these could have changed with the latest version I've not checked..

But its horses for courses there is no universal solution but I think the
OPPO BD83 gets closer than anything else.


But at £500 that's certainly at least £300 more than i'd be willing to
pay.

Adrian[_3_] November 3rd 09 01:23 PM

Blu-ray players
 
Sean Black wrote:
In message , David
writes


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.

You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for
it, etc, However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games
console, and that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses,
including BBCi player, which means you can watch such content full
screen and on your telly !



Will this, and the others do Multi Region DVD and/or BD?


The PS3 won't, which as far as I'm concerned is it's only downside.

You can get some players that are multi-region for DVD and a few that
are for both DVD and BD, but they are definitely in the minority.
Have a look at somewhere like www.multiregionmagic.co.uk (no
connection, other than having bought a DVD player off them years ago,
but thinking of getting a multi-region BD player off them at some
stage).


All the multi-region BD players I've seen are about £150 more than simple
Zone B models, it may be cheaper to import a Zone A player from the US and
have one of each.
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[email protected] November 3rd 09 01:30 PM

Blu-ray players
 
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:23:23 -0000
"Adrian" wrote:
All the multi-region BD players I've seen are about £150 more than simple
Zone B models, it may be cheaper to import a Zone A player from the US and
have one of each.


It does make me wonder if BD zoning was a genuine attempt to combat piracy
or just a convenient way to make a bit of extra cash for the player
manufacturers.

B2003


Adrian C November 3rd 09 02:05 PM

Blu-ray players
 
Bob Latham wrote:

Its a kid's games machine for heavens sake.


That's an issue I've got with something else - an original XBOX
installed just for running XMBC.

At the moment it's very well hidden away when my young nephew visits,
for otherwise he'll soon be pestering for playing games on it. This (and
fan noise issues) almost invites me to consider recasing it in something
more suitable ...

.... but for the effort in doing that I may as well build myself a proper
media PC server.

Or the other plan is to leave it as it is so that when he eventually
sees it, those games on the XBOX will be so uncool he'll no longer have
an interest in playing them!

--
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Sean Black November 3rd 09 02:24 PM

Blu-ray players
 
In message , Bob Latham
writes
In article ,
Sean Black wrote:
In message , David
writes


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Grumps wrote:
Couldn't care less about WiFi.

You might want to when it comes to getting software upgrades for it, etc,


Not if you connect with ethernet which is faster and far more reliable.

However the best Blu-Ray player is reckoned to be the PS3 Games
console, and that has the advantage of other 'multimedia' uses,
including BBCi player, which means you can watch such content full
screen and on your telly !



Will this, and the others do Multi Region DVD and/or BD?


The PS3 won't, which as far as I'm concerned is it's only downside.


It has a few others like

No DTS Re-encode.
No 7.1 analogue outputs


Route all my BD audio to my amp via HDMI, doesn't bitstream it (the new
slimmer version does, I believe) only downside to that is I don't get
the nice "True HD" or "DTS HD-MA" indicators lighting up on my amp :-)
Still sounds the same though, so no problem.

Noisy


I know a lot of people say this, but I must have got lucky, as it's
pretty much silent, can't hear it at all unless I go right up to it.
Maybe the fan isn't working ;-)

Horrible games remote control


I've got the BD remote for it, which is fine.

Ugly and then some.


Not bothered what it looks like.

Its a kid's games machine for heavens sake.

It loads a hell of a lot quicker than the Samsung standalone that I had
previously, it plays everything I've thrown at it with no problems at
all (unlike the Sammy) and it's handy for streaming all sorts of
downloaded stuff too. Far from just a "kid's games machine" IMO.

Some of these could have changed with the latest version I've not checked.

But its horses for courses there is no universal solution but I think the
OPPO BD83 gets closer than anything else.


--
Sean Black

Sean Black November 3rd 09 02:28 PM

Blu-ray players
 
In message , writes
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:23:23 -0000
"Adrian" wrote:
All the multi-region BD players I've seen are about £150 more than simple
Zone B models, it may be cheaper to import a Zone A player from the US and
have one of each.


It does make me wonder if BD zoning was a genuine attempt to combat piracy
or just a convenient way to make a bit of extra cash for the player
manufacturers.

That's exactly what it is IMO. A lot of discs are region-free anyway.

I'd thought about going the two player route myself, but it'd be so much
more hassle should anything go wrong with the Region A model and to be
honest, I doubt you'd get much for £150 anyway, especially if you have
to take import duty etc... into account.
--
Sean Black

chunkyoldcortina November 3rd 09 02:37 PM

Blu-ray players
 
Bob Latham wrote:

The PS3 won't, which as far as I'm concerned is it's only downside.


It has a few others like

No DTS Re-encode.
No 7.1 analogue outputs
Noisy


Not particularly...

Horrible games remote control


Not if you use the blu-ray remote. It looks like any normal Sony remote.

Ugly and then some.


Well that's a matter of taste. There are too versions now as well.

Its a kid's games machine for heavens sake.


Everyone I know with a PS3 is in their 30s...

chunkyoldcortina November 3rd 09 02:38 PM

Blu-ray players
 
Mark wrote:


I should think the PS3's power consumption would be considerably
higher than a dedicated BR player.


Depends which version you have, the new slim version is less power-hungry.

Martin[_7_] November 3rd 09 02:46 PM

Blu-ray players
 
Its a kid's games machine for heavens sake.

Everyone I know with a PS3 is in their 30s...


Great games machine - get Uncharted 2



Mark[_13_] November 3rd 09 04:02 PM

Blu-ray players
 
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:38:12 +0000, chunkyoldcortina
wrote:

Mark wrote:


I should think the PS3's power consumption would be considerably
higher than a dedicated BR player.


Depends which version you have, the new slim version is less power-hungry.


I'm sure it's less power hungry than its predecessor, but more power
hungry than a standalone player. For example:

Latest PS3 = 70W
Sony BDP-S760 = 32W

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[email protected] November 3rd 09 05:19 PM

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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:02:39 +0000
Mark wrote:
I'm sure it's less power hungry than its predecessor, but more power
hungry than a standalone player. For example:

Latest PS3 = 70W
Sony BDP-S760 = 32W


Does the PS3 have a dedicated decoder chip or is it all done in software on
the main CPUs? If it doesn't then it would use more power to play a disc.

B2003



Ron Lowe[_2_] November 3rd 09 05:42 PM

Blu-ray players
 
chunkyoldcortina wrote:

Horrible games remote control


Not if you use the blu-ray remote. It looks like any normal Sony remote.



I *really* dislike the lack of a power button on the remote.

If the screen's been powered down, you have to try to remember an
obscure sequence of keystrokes, ( pres-'n'-hold the PS button, X, X. :
obvious, huh? )which sometimes doesn't work: it depends what state it
was left in.

It's like trying to power-down a PC using the mouse, blind.

Like a PC, you can force a shutdown by holding the power button on the
console till it beeps and finally gives in.

But really: I expect a power ( or stby ) button on the remote of a BD
player!

--
Ron



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