Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- the Scottish problem
 

"Stephen" wrote in message
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"Ray Pearce" wrote in message Could be a problem
on the South coast. All the more reason to start using VHF. Don't forget
there's also Channel 36 which can be used at every transmitter (possibly
including those 3) after analogue switch off because the requirement to
keep it clear for analogue VHS machines and first generation gaming
consoles has ceased.

Ch36 is/was airport radar. Filton used it at one time. Dunno if they still
do.

Bill

Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- theScottish problem
 

Mike Henry wrote:
In , Mark Carver

Mux B has to be cleared in post DSO areas to make way for DVB-T2/HD, so the
only space available for Alba will be on Mux/PSB 1, hence the plan to ditch
R1-5.

Yes but for this Scottish link, it's a pre-DSO area with apparently a
post-DSO configuration of where the radio stations are?!
http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co...&disp=2&oair=1

So it does ! That must be speculative info on there, AFAIK the BBC have not
farmed out their radio stations to D3&4 anywhere, I'm seeing a man from Arqiva
today, I'll confirm that with him. They used to be carried on Mux A many years
ago, but other than that they've always been 'in house' on Mux B or post DSO
Mux 1.


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Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- the Scottish problem
 

In article , Mark Carver
wrote:
Petert wrote:


I'm going to apply for a job at Ofcom, because I cannot work out why
we can have S4C on channel 8 and all the BBC radio channels, while in
"see you jimmy" land Alba will require some or all of the BBC radio
channels to be dumped. Scotland appears to have the same number of
channels as Wales (with the exception of one that appears to broadcast
for about an hour a day) so what exactly is the problem?

In Wales, CITV seems to have been ditched to make room for S4C on Mux 2.
There's no technical reason why that can't happen in Scotland to make
room for Alba. In fact as Alba is an evening only service (?), and CITV
is a daytime service (I think ?) why not timeshare, unless CITV on Mux 2
is already timesharing with someone else ?

I presume it is in effect already being shared with some other ITV station.

Within the remit of the BBC the equivalent would be to remove BBC3 or BBC4
as they nominally 'share' with the BBC yoof/kiddies channels. However
despite personally thinking BBC3 is a waste of space and should be dumped,
I still think such a 'solution' would be wrong in principle as well as
practice as it means denying access to an otherwise UK-wide channel for
those in Scotland for the (nominal) sake of a tiny minority mainly in a
part of the country. Might be easier to argue this than dumping all the UK
radio channels, but that doesn't mean it would be acceptable!

TBH I could see this making a bit more (political and social) sense if the
change were limited to the north-west corner of Scotland where the Gael
speaking percentage of the population is more than tiny. Such areas already
have their own Gael radio provisions IIUC.

Although I still think it would be a bad decision for many reasons. The
problem in social and political terms is that it ends up being either a
'ghetto' channel or a bit of political point scoring by someone to do this!
So far as I can tell, the vast bulk of the population of Scotland do not
want the proposed change, and many radio listeners would find it a PITA as
well as think it inherently unjust and unfair.

The bottom line may be that the BBC have to face up to having too many
stations, and remove some of the newer ones if they don't have the space.
But IMHO that would then need to be done on a UK-wide basis, and the
arguments would be in terms of factors like audience size, and the extent
to which much the same content would be supplied by commercial
broadcasters.

Slainte,

Jim

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Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- theScottish problem
 

On 30 Oct, 02:43, "Stephen" wrote:
... Don't forget there's also Channel 36 which can be used at every
transmitter (possibly including those 3) after analogue switch off because
the requirement to keep it clear for analogue VHS machines and first
generation gaming consoles has ceased.

It has?

I think the people with analogue video (not necessarily VHS) machines
and games consoles might disagree.

Owain

Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- the Scottish problem
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...

So it does ! That must be speculative info on there, AFAIK the BBC have
not farmed out their radio stations to D3&4 anywhere, I'm seeing a man
from Arqiva today, I'll confirm that with him. They used to be carried on
Mux A many years ago, but other than that they've always been 'in house'
on Mux B or post DSO Mux 1.

You are making me feel old. I'm sure it was only two years ago than we moved
Radios1-4 from MuxA to MuxB. My notes suggest it was on 3rd October 2007. I
remember writing a discussion note on the proceedure which ended "Hide from
the fallout" as a final action :)

Glyn

Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- theScottish problem
 

Glyn Morgan wrote:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...

So it does ! That must be speculative info on there, AFAIK the BBC
have not farmed out their radio stations to D3&4 anywhere, I'm seeing
a man from Arqiva today, I'll confirm that with him. They used to be
carried on Mux A many years ago, but other than that they've always
been 'in house' on Mux B or post DSO Mux 1.

You are making me feel old. I'm sure it was only two years ago than we
moved Radios1-4 from MuxA to MuxB. My notes suggest it was on 3rd
October 2007. I remember writing a discussion note on the proceedure
which ended "Hide from the fallout" as a final action :)

Ha ! It seems longer than 2 years ago. Still that's good news I
suppose, perhaps time does slow down as you get older after all (he says
hopefully !) ;-)

Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- the Scottish problem
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Ha ! It seems longer than 2 years ago. Still that's good news I suppose,
perhaps time does slow down as you get older after all (he says hopefully
!) ;-)

I wouldn't be too hopeful.

It is a common experience that time goes faster as you get older.

When I was a child...
The six weeks summer holiday seemed without end.
Now six weeks goes by in a flash.

But don't give up all hope because he who is without hope is dead !

;-)
Roger R