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Digital TV turnover, re tune.
This is really a query as it has turned out not to be a problem as such.
My area went totally digital recently. We were told to retune the sets and then on 30th Sept to re tune again. I retuned as required both times. I have two TV sets, run off different aerials. One in the bedroom ( aerial in roof) and one in sitting room ( little aerial , indoor thing sat next to TV). The big TV in the sitting room ( with small aerial) retuned fine and all channels came in as required. When I re tuned the second set in the bedroom I lost half the channels and the message came up " No signal check antenna" . I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial but I accidently switched the remote the wrong way and "found" all the missing channels located on 800 numbers. They are in no particular order. They fall amongst the radio and teletext channels apparently randomly but they are all there. I have channel 10, all the shopping channels, all five ( five usa and fiver and channel five there, all Virgin and all the + 1 channels and even ITV 1 and Channel 4 are there - all of them relocated when the re tune took place it seems. What I really want to know is what happened and why they relocated into this odd place? |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
In article , whiskeyomega
wrote: This is really a query as it has turned out not to be a problem as such. My area went totally digital recently. We were told to retune the sets and then on 30th Sept to re tune again. I retuned as required both times. I have two TV sets, run off different aerials. One in the bedroom ( aerial in roof) and one in sitting room ( little aerial , indoor thing sat next to TV). The big TV in the sitting room ( with small aerial) retuned fine and all channels came in as required. When I re tuned the second set in the bedroom I lost half the channels and the message came up " No signal check antenna" . I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial but I accidently switched the remote the wrong way and "found" all the missing channels located on 800 numbers. They are in no particular order. They fall amongst the radio and teletext channels apparently randomly but they are all there. I have channel 10, all the shopping channels, all five ( five usa and fiver and channel five there, all Virgin and all the + 1 channels and even ITV 1 and Channel 4 are there - all of them relocated when the re tune took place it seems. What I really want to know is what happened and why they relocated into this odd place? probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl". -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:22:41 +0100, charles
wrote: In article , whiskeyomega wrote: This is really a query as it has turned out not to be a problem as such. My area went totally digital recently. We were told to retune the sets and then on 30th Sept to re tune again. I retuned as required both times. I have two TV sets, run off different aerials. One in the bedroom ( aerial in roof) and one in sitting room ( little aerial , indoor thing sat next to TV). The big TV in the sitting room ( with small aerial) retuned fine and all channels came in as required. When I re tuned the second set in the bedroom I lost half the channels and the message came up " No signal check antenna" . I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial but I accidently switched the remote the wrong way and "found" all the missing channels located on 800 numbers. They are in no particular order. They fall amongst the radio and teletext channels apparently randomly but they are all there. I have channel 10, all the shopping channels, all five ( five usa and fiver and channel five there, all Virgin and all the + 1 channels and even ITV 1 and Channel 4 are there - all of them relocated when the re tune took place it seems. What I really want to know is what happened and why they relocated into this odd place? probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl". Exactly. First you need to remove all of the previously stored channels - look for something in the menu like 'clear' or 'delete' - they scan again. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:22:41 +0100, charles wrote: In article , whiskeyomega wrote: probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl". Exactly. First you need to remove all of the previously stored channels - look for something in the menu like 'clear' or 'delete' - they scan again. I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error but I did retune. I did not add extra channels. The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous few weeks in my area. I may not be an expert at anything technical but I can re tune a digi box. Honest. Besides I was talking to my neighbors today and it seems that several have had the same problem. Did we all get it wrong then? Are there any other possibilities as to why these got moved? As I said it is just curiosity really as they channels are there. I would also like to know why my one TV managed to do itself happily and the other retuned onto the 800 numbers - is this because the second set is old ( ten years) and has a digibox which is also old ? The digibox concerned was one of the first ever produced and cost a lot of money at the time. Thanks. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote:
I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are female? |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote: I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are female? I have posted before on a different topic and I admitted to being female in the title of that post - so a good probability they knew.;-) But I am still asking if there is another reason these channels got shifted on the one TV and not on the other. The other TV is brand new by the way. I also posted asking for advice about that a few weeks ago. Thanks for any possibles. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
Andy Burns wrote:
On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote: I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are female? "I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial" was a bit of a giveaway. Andy |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote: I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are female? When it comes to re-tuning and so forth, quite often the woman acts dim but can manage OK, whilst the bloke acts clever and gets into a muddle. Bill |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
On 18/10/09 14:56, whiskeyomega wrote:
But I am still asking if there is another reason these channels got shifted on the one TV and not on the other. The usual reason is that the tuner already has e.g. BBC1 on channel 1, so moves what it sees as a duplicate BBC1 into the 800's Do both aerials point at the same transmitter? Possibly the one with the loft aerial is picking up a weak distant version of the signals from a distant transmitter before it sees the strong local version? The poorer aerial downstairs might only see the the stronger transmitter so has no problem. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error but I did retune. I did not add extra channels. The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous few weeks in my area. SNIP I retuned many boxes and TV's on the 30th Sept, and it is amazing how many different methods were needed on the various makes and models of TV and box. But you do say "The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune" - and I know from my own TV that this prompted rescan does not then do a full, total, rescan, and you then end up with channels in the 800 range. To do a full rescan of all channels you need to do a first-time install, plug-and-play, or factory reset - as per the digitaluk instructions: a.. Switch on your Freeview TV or box and press 'menu' on the remote control a.. Select the 'set up' or 'installation' option then 'first time installation' option (sometimes called 'factory reset', 'full retune' or 'default settings'). a.. Press 'OK' if your equipment asks if you want to delete all your channels Don't worry this is normal. a.. If you are prompted for a code, try 0000 or 1234. Channels will be automatically installed. Your equipment may shut down and restart. I still got caught out by a Phillips TV, because the factory reset (that was called plug-and-play on the Phillips TV) option was not available - I checked the manual and it said 'the plug and play option is only available in TV mode'. Now, as I was watching the TV at the time I assumed I was in 'TV mode', but after a while it dawned on me that they meant analogue TV mode and not DTV mode! Once I switched to analogue and used the plug-and-play, it got all the channels in the right places! There is quite a big list of products with known issues, including some that get the channels in the 800 range, on this page; http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...September-2009 Maybe your problem box is on that list? |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
Sorry here is the link to the list:
http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/c...20Contacts.pdf "GTS" wrote in message ... I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error but I did retune. I did not add extra channels. The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous few weeks in my area. SNIP I retuned many boxes and TV's on the 30th Sept, and it is amazing how many different methods were needed on the various makes and models of TV and box. But you do say "The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune" - and I know from my own TV that this prompted rescan does not then do a full, total, rescan, and you then end up with channels in the 800 range. To do a full rescan of all channels you need to do a first-time install, plug-and-play, or factory reset - as per the digitaluk instructions: a.. Switch on your Freeview TV or box and press 'menu' on the remote control a.. Select the 'set up' or 'installation' option then 'first time installation' option (sometimes called 'factory reset', 'full retune' or 'default settings'). a.. Press 'OK' if your equipment asks if you want to delete all your channels Don't worry this is normal. a.. If you are prompted for a code, try 0000 or 1234. Channels will be automatically installed. Your equipment may shut down and restart. I still got caught out by a Phillips TV, because the factory reset (that was called plug-and-play on the Phillips TV) option was not available - I checked the manual and it said 'the plug and play option is only available in TV mode'. Now, as I was watching the TV at the time I assumed I was in 'TV mode', but after a while it dawned on me that they meant analogue TV mode and not DTV mode! Once I switched to analogue and used the plug-and-play, it got all the channels in the right places! There is quite a big list of products with known issues, including some that get the channels in the 800 range, on this page; http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...September-2009 Maybe your problem box is on that list? |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:42:28 +0100, "whiskeyomega"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:22:41 +0100, charles wrote: In article , whiskeyomega wrote: probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl". Exactly. First you need to remove all of the previously stored channels - look for something in the menu like 'clear' or 'delete' - they scan again. I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error but I did retune. I did not add extra channels. The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous few weeks in my area. I may be thick but I don't understand why your sex has anything to do with this. The boxes don't care which variety of genitals you have, and neither do I. But my answer stands. You need to look at the menu options and see which will allow you to remove all of the existing channels *before* you re-scan. Unfortunately different manufacturers have different arrangements, but it will be in there somewhere. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
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Digital TV turnover, re tune.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:47:13 +0000 (UTC), "comp.john"
wrote: On 2009-10-18, lid wrote: But my answer stands. You need to look at the menu options and see which will allow you to remove all of the existing channels *before* you re-scan. Unfortunately different manufacturers have different arrangements, but it will be in there somewhere. Do you reckon? When I select automatic scan, an alert says "this will delete all stored channels! Are you sure?" or somethig similar. (on 3 different boxes, different makes) Not all boxes do that. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"GTS" wrote in message ... SNIP There is quite a big list of products with known issues, including some that get the channels in the 800 range, on this page; http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...September-2009 Maybe your problem box is on that list? The TV is a Thompson but thedigibox isnt on the list. The digibox is an old Audioline - must have bought it in 2002? But it is working and I am not in a hurry to put another first installation in just because its loaded a bunch of channels into the 800 numbers. I can live with it .Thanks. .-) Just wanted to know what might have caused it. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"comp.john" wrote in message ... On 2009-10-18, lid wrote: Do you reckon? When I select automatic scan, an alert says "this will delete all stored channels! Are you sure?" or somethig similar. (on 3 different boxes, different makes) Mine does that too ;-) Thats how I know it re tuned but put them on the wrong numbers. It obviously found something on the original channels too because they are there even if it says the signal isnt . |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:18:12 +0100, lid wrote:
But my answer stands. You need to look at the menu options and see which will allow you to remove all of the existing channels *before* you re-scan. Unfortunately different manufacturers have different arrangements, but it will be in there somewhere. I can't remember for sure but I think my Panasonic removes all the existing channels by default before a re-scan. Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
In article ,
whiskeyomega wrote: "comp.john" wrote in message ... On 2009-10-18, lid wrote: Do you reckon? When I select automatic scan, an alert says "this will delete all stored channels! Are you sure?" or somethig similar. (on 3 different boxes, different makes) Mine does that too ;-) Thats how I know it re tuned but put them on the wrong numbers. It obviously found something on the original channels too because they are there even if it says the signal isnt . I don't think so. If the channels are in their old places, then it hasn't done a "delete old channels". -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"whiskeyomega" wrote in message
... "comp.john" wrote in message ... On 2009-10-18, lid wrote: Do you reckon? When I select automatic scan, an alert says "this will delete all stored channels! Are you sure?" or somethig similar. (on 3 different boxes, different makes) Mine does that too ;-) Thats how I know it re tuned but put them on the wrong numbers. It obviously found something on the original channels too because they are there even if it says the signal isnt . So your box could have located and stored channels from another, weaker, transmitter, then when the scan reached the proper transmitter the box had to put the channels it found in the 800s. An automatic scan will scan the whole UHF band looking for digital signals. The solution is to do a 'manual scan', selecting the actual UHF channels/frequencies that are correct for your area and the direction of your aerial. http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe will enable you to look up what these are, but note that, in this case, you will almost certainly have to delete all the channels first. -- Max Demian |
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Why has no-one given the correct answer?
It is because the software of the older unit cannot handle the operational changes that have been made to DTTV. Some boxes stopped working altogether, others put the BBC channels at and above 800. It doesn't follow that because the box is not on the list that it should work. By the OPs own admission it must have been one of the very earliest DTTV boxes - only just after On-dodgy - so it is very unlikely that it can handle the changes. By the same token I have a Pace DT210F which is on the 'will not work' list but it is working perfectly. Simple answer - go buy a new box, then only cost about 20 quid for heaven's sake! -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
But its the mystery of these things. It surely cannot be the old cannot
cope with split nits or coding compression standards or any of those as from her own admission, it coped with the last retune, which was a while back, OK. Reminds me of the computer nut down the street whos answer to every fault on Windows is reformat reinstall. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "Woody" wrote in message ... Why has no-one given the correct answer? It is because the software of the older unit cannot handle the operational changes that have been made to DTTV. Some boxes stopped working altogether, others put the BBC channels at and above 800. It doesn't follow that because the box is not on the list that it should work. By the OPs own admission it must have been one of the very earliest DTTV boxes - only just after On-dodgy - so it is very unlikely that it can handle the changes. By the same token I have a Pace DT210F which is on the 'will not work' list but it is working perfectly. Simple answer - go buy a new box, then only cost about 20 quid for heaven's sake! -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"charles" wrote in message ... In article , whiskeyomega wrote: "comp.john" wrote in message ... On 2009-10-18, lid wrote: Do you reckon? When I select automatic scan, an alert says "this will delete all stored channels! Are you sure?" or somethig similar. (on 3 different boxes, different makes) Mine does that too ;-) Thats how I know it re tuned but put them on the wrong numbers. It obviously found something on the original channels too because they are there even if it says the signal isnt . I don't think so. If the channels are in their old places, then it hasn't done a "delete old channels". But the channels aren't in their old places, thats what I cant work out. They have all been moved to the 800 numbers and their old places are blank spaces now. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
"Woody" wrote in message ... Why has no-one given the correct answer? It is because the software of the older unit cannot handle the operational changes that have been made to DTTV. Some boxes stopped working altogether, others put the BBC channels at and above 800. It doesn't follow that because the box is not on the list that it should work. By the OPs own admission it must have been one of the very earliest DTTV boxes - only just after On-dodgy - so it is very unlikely that it can handle the changes. By the same token I have a Pace DT210F which is on the 'will not work' list but it is working perfectly. Simple answer - go buy a new box, then only cost about 20 quid for heaven's sake! Thank you for that but I dont see the need to buy a new box . The thing still works , its just put the channels in a different place . I can press buttons for 80 and something as easily as I can press 21 or 22. It was a very early box, but I have always found it more reliable and more efficient than most of the new ones. I do have a newer one ( was working on a crap NEWER TV which broke a little after a year and is now on the tip) but I always found that box was constantly asking to be retuned even when it wasnt necessary. All sorts of things would upset it. So much for new digiboxes. But the old audioline may be old, it may not be techie, it may have gone senile and shoved the channels on 800+ numbers but I still love it and it is working. ;-). It does the job for the bedroom TV. |
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"Andy Champ" wrote in message . uk... Andy Burns wrote: On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote: I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are female? "I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial" was a bit of a giveaway. Not in Yorkshire. Bill |
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
... But its the mystery of these things. It surely cannot be the old cannot cope with split nits or coding compression standards or any of those as from her own admission, it coped with the last retune, which was a while back, OK. Reminds me of the computer nut down the street whos answer to every fault on Windows is reformat reinstall. Brian I would guess Brian that the root problem is either lack of memory or insufficient addressing range. That might have something to do with 800 being as 8 is a whole binary multiple. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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"Woody" wrote in message
... "Brian Gaff" wrote in message ... But its the mystery of these things. It surely cannot be the old cannot cope with split nits or coding compression standards or any of those as from her own admission, it coped with the last retune, which was a while back, OK. This is the first retune for some time that (a) involved channels that everyone wants, such as Five and (b) that involved several channels changing multiplex at the same time. Also a lot more people who already have been using a STB for some time rather than starting from scratch. I would guess Brian that the root problem is either lack of memory or insufficient addressing range. That might have something to do with 800 being as 8 is a whole binary multiple. The only significance of the 800s is that they are well above the highest official channel number (728 for heart), so that is where most boxes put channels they can't put in their correct place. I still incline to the multiple transmitter issue as being the cause of the OP's problem. -- Max Demian |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
My neighbour has my old Ferguson FDT500. On 30th September, many channels
such as BBC1 also moved to 800+. And like you, I'd done a "complete clean" channel search. Credit to Ferguson/Thomson - this is a known problem with this model and the week afterwards they retransmitted their latest firmware for this elderly box which fixes this problem. Now BBC1 is at 001 etc. I don't know the ins-and-outs of what aspect of Freeview causes this problem but I'm betting that your problem set has the same problem as this old Ferguson. If it's got a serial port method of updating the firmware, and this is available from the manufacturers, and you are happy with PCs and serial ports (or know someone who is), try updating the firmware. Alternatively contact your manufacturer, being ready to quote the firmware version that you are running and ask if there is updated firmware which fixes this. If no, then perhaps your TV is not "fit for purpose" and you can return it for a refund. Paul DS. |
Digital TV turnover, re tune.
At 07:42:54 Mon, 19 Oct 2009, Woody wrote in article:
I would guess Brian that the root problem is either lack of memory or insufficient addressing range. That might have something to do with 800 being as 8 is a whole binary multiple. Yeah, but 800 in binary is 1100100000 . Your theory would make more sense if channel numbers were limited to 255 or 65535 |
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"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
... My neighbour has my old Ferguson FDT500. On 30th September, many channels such as BBC1 also moved to 800+. And like you, I'd done a "complete clean" channel search. Credit to Ferguson/Thomson - this is a known problem with this model and the week afterwards they retransmitted their latest firmware for this elderly box which fixes this problem. Now BBC1 is at 001 etc. I don't know the ins-and-outs of what aspect of Freeview causes this problem but I'm betting that your problem set has the same problem as this old Ferguson. If it's got a serial port method of updating the firmware, and this is available from the manufacturers, and you are happy with PCs and serial ports (or know someone who is), try updating the firmware. Alternatively contact your manufacturer, being ready to quote the firmware version that you are running and ask if there is updated firmware which fixes this. If no, then perhaps your TV is not "fit for purpose" and you can return it for a refund. Paul DS. Follow-up link... http://www.freeview.co.uk/_retuneinfo/800s.html |
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