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Yellow wrote: Mark Carver ] said: I wonder if the continuous coverage, including the 30 second overlap with BBC 2, was actually some contractual agreement with Bernie E, that the BBC must provide *uninterrupted* coverage ? Dunno, but it was very very much appreciated by those of us who have been watching every F1 show on the BBC for the last 17 races, getting up in the middle of the night for some and sitting inside on sunny afternoons for others, who would have been heart broken to have missed the eventual restart and the successful conclusion of this session. Thank you BBC! I don't think Bernie has much to do with it. It is probably that the BBC said it would show uninterrupted coverage of qualifying (and the race of course) on it's main channels before the season started. This is the unique selling point of the BBC, they are unencumbered by advertising breaks. Do you remember the debacle where ITV went to an ad break in the closing stages and missed the finish of the race? Now that really was totally moronic, especially so because it was still in the balance as to who would win. It wasn't the end of the race that was missed but part of an epic battle between Shumi and Alonso. They held the advert break back and back hoping to catch any move but, with 3 laps to go, were forced to take it in the end and when coverage resumed with half a lap to go we had missed the pass. |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:29:32 +0100, Java Jive
wrote: Judging by the many posts here over the years about PVRs missing the last few minutes of programmes, because the endless procrastination of broadcasters between programmes means that they never start on time, it seems we don't. Certainly, to record an important programme with any near certainty of success, I routinely leave an extra 2 minutes leading and 3 minutes trailing. This is a damned nuisance, because, I waste around 8% of my disk space, about 6hrs, just to cater for broadcasters' inefficiency. And, of course, my system only works if I don't have successive recordings on different channels. Then, I have to intervene manually and it's a matter of chance whether the first programme has ended by the time the second one starts. Neither of my PVRs would have coped with the disruption caused last night, had I set them to record anything on the two affected channels. I have my Humax Freesat PVR set to series-record Strictly. It recorded last night's 130 min programme perfectly. It started with the initial continuity announcement and finished about 1 minute after the final credits. On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:36:49 +0100, Yellow wrote: At least now we have PVRs that can juggle recordings on the fly so that's something anyway. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:03:10 +0100, Yellow
wrote: ] said: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:23:48 +0100, Yellow wrote: Apparently not, as the BBC have decided that BBC1 and BBC2 are the right place for most sport for the time being even if that means bumping the occasional popularist programme to show it. Interesting that you chose the word "popularist" with its overtones, rather than the more obvious and apt "popular" - since many more people would have watched the scheduled programme had it been shown. And I am interested that you are interested. We should get along well together then :) |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:29:31 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote: "The Runt" wrote: in message ... I am pleased that you'll die soon. That's a bit harsh. I would be willing to wager a small sum that he'll be dead before you... |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:16:39 +0100, Mike Henry
wrote: In , lid wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:23:48 +0100, Yellow wrote: Apparently not, as the BBC have decided that BBC1 and BBC2 are the right place for most sport for the time being even if that means bumping the occasional popularist programme to show it. Interesting that you chose the word "popularist" with its overtones, rather than the more obvious and apt "popular" - since many more people would have watched the scheduled programme had it been shown. It was shown. What was shown? |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:36:49 +0100, Yellow
wrote: Dunno, but it was very very much appreciated by those of us who have been watching every F1 show on the BBC for the last 17 races, getting up in the middle of the night for some and sitting inside on sunny afternoons for others, who would have been heart broken to have missed the eventual restart and the successful conclusion of this session. Thank you BBC! Exactly! I thought we'd got rid of those camp old ****s in tuxes, sequins, perma-tans and excessive make up when Come Dancing was finally cancelled. F1 is a global sporting championship, where the winners names are remembered for all time, or at least as long as makes no difference. Nobody is ever going to get up at 5am to watch SCD and nobody'll give a flying **** who won it a fortnight after it finishes. |
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"Agamemnon" wrote in message . uk... Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes and it looks like its going to be another ****ing hour before the qualifying session is even going to start because of a rain delay. LIKE WHO **** WAS GOING TO WATCH THIS CRAP TO BEGIN WITH? How many people did the BBC think it was going to get. Merlin get 6 million. Strictly get 9 million. ITS A ****ING PRACTICE SESSION FOR ****S SAKE. IT'S NOT EVEN THE ACTUAL ****ING GRAND PRIX! Why didn't these ****ing morons put it on interactive. Someone tell me how many viewers it got. I doubt it will be over a 1 million. ****ING IMBECILES! Thanks for reminding me to email the BBC. Copy of my email. "Thanks so much for continuing with the coverage of qualifying at the Interlagos Gran Prix despite it over-running. It was a delight to have decent family viewing on at tea time on a Saturday, my sons and I enjoyed the dramatic action, especially with a British driver in contention for the world championship again. Regards" |
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"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:29:31 +0100, Bill Wright wrote: "The Runt" wrote: in message ... I am pleased that you'll die soon. That's a bit harsh. I would be willing to wager a small sum that he'll be dead before you... Hey Ratface, I noticed you changed my name to "The Runt" just there - very clever aren't you... fwiw, I might be a 'pretty boy', but I'm also a black belt in karate, but feel free to underestimate me until it's too late. |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:59:09 +0100, A.N.Other wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:36:49 +0100, Yellow wrote: Dunno, but it was very very much appreciated by those of us who have been watching every F1 show on the BBC for the last 17 races, getting up in the middle of the night for some and sitting inside on sunny afternoons for others, who would have been heart broken to have missed the eventual restart and the successful conclusion of this session. Thank you BBC! Exactly! I thought we'd got rid of those camp old ****s in tuxes, sequins, perma-tans and excessive make up when Come Dancing was finally cancelled. F1 is a global sporting championship, where the winners names are remembered for all time, or at least as long as makes no difference. Nobody is ever going to get up at 5am to watch SCD and nobody'll give a flying **** who won it a fortnight after it finishes. I wouldn't get up at 5am to watch either SCD or F1. Come to think about it I can't think of anything on TV that would get me up at 5am. Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com |
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Java Jive ] said:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:23:48 +0100, Yellow wrote: Apparently not, as the BBC have decided that BBC1 and BBC2 are the right place for most sport for the time being even if that means bumping the occasional popularist programme to show it. So why have the interactive sports channels then? snip Sporting events, especially ones that include a Brit who is about to become world champion, will always be shown on mainstream TV, even if they over run. You are not going to change this, so perhaps you should just get over it. :-) |
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Java Jive ] said:
Judging by the many posts here over the years about PVRs missing the last few minutes of programmes, because the endless procrastination of broadcasters between programmes means that they never start on time, it seems we don't. Certainly, to record an important programme with any near certainty of success, I routinely leave an extra 2 minutes leading and 3 minutes trailing. This is a damned nuisance, because, I waste around 8% of my disk space, about 6hrs, just to cater for broadcasters' inefficiency. And, of course, my system only works if I don't have successive recordings on different channels. Then, I have to intervene manually and it's a matter of chance whether the first programme has ended by the time the second one starts. Neither of my PVRs would have coped with the disruption caused last night, had I set them to record anything on the two affected channels. On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:36:49 +0100, Yellow wrote: At least now we have PVRs that can juggle recordings on the fly so that's something anyway. It is down to the broadcasters to transmit the correct signals and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't - my PVR got the extended BBC1 coverage on BBC1 so they must have at least have sent the stop signal on time. The worst at this game seems to me to be C5 who cause series-link to record every showing of their programmes, across all their channels meaning you can end up with the same show recorded half a dozen times. |
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Java Jive ] said:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:59:09 +0100, A.N.Other wrote: Exactly! I thought we'd got rid of those camp old ****s in tuxes, sequins, perma-tans and excessive make up when Come Dancing was finally cancelled. Granted, but worthwhile programmes on BBC2 were needlessly disrupted as well. A single repeat of a programme was canceled. The same show is being repeated again later in the week, can be seen on IPlayer and will also be available to watched again in the future when it is repeated over and over and over again. Failing that, the DVD will be available for purchase and failing *that*, the DVD will be given away for free in the Sunday Mail in a couple of years time. Are you going to stop clutching at straws now? F1 is a global sporting championship, where the winners names are remembered for all time, or at least as long as makes no difference. No they aren't. Oh yes they are. :-) I was always something of a fan of the sport in the past, but I wouldn't have much idea who won in any given year. It all blurs after a while, with just a few incidents standing out. You may not remember who won in a given year but you *do* remember that they won - that is the point. And even if you don't, there are plenty who do. Only thing I know about come dancing is that everyone took the **** out of John Sargent a year or two back and that one of the fellas on their at the moment was stupid enough to make a racist remark. Oh, I know one more thing... The X Factor get more viewers. :-p We all like to think our generations/ourselves are immortal, but if you want to test how immortal you are, put your hand in a bucket of water, then pull it out again, and the hole that is left behind is a measure of how immortal you are! Nobody is ever going to get up at 5am to watch SCD and nobody'll give a flying **** who won it a fortnight after it finishes. Well I dare say somebody would, but certainly not me! LOL! :-) |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:25:41 +0100, jamie powell wrote:
fwiw, I might be a 'pretty boy', but I'm also a black belt in karate, but feel free to underestimate me until it's too late. LOL! Hard man posturing from the safety of Internet anonymity. |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:23:55 +0000 (UTC), Robin H
wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:25:41 +0100, jamie powell wrote: fwiw, I might be a 'pretty boy', but I'm also a black belt in karate, but feel free to underestimate me until it's too late. LOL! Hard man posturing from the safety of Internet anonymity. Duh yeh, Jayme hard man my arse! LOL! Not like us Paul Ratcliffe - Hes a ****in top geeza! I say bring it on Paul. Giv the fukin runt wot he dezerves. |
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Java Jive ] said:
He wasn't about to become WC last night, that was tonight. Refusing to take on board that qualifying is the key to the race does not change the fact that it is. ;-) On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:33:31 +0100, Yellow wrote: Sporting events, especially ones that include a Brit who is about to become world champion, will always be shown on mainstream TV, even if they over run. |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:15:37 +0100, Java Jive
wrote: But I bet it didn't continue recording in BBC2 without further intervention from you. Further it's a pretty that the majority of people who set their PVRs to record Life or Gandhi would have got the tail-end of the F1 coverage instead. I recorded Gandhi on a Freesat PVR using series-link. It started at the start with no sign of F1. The only criticism might be that a few seconds of introduction were omitted. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:02:28 +0000, just another thicko wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:23:55 +0000 (UTC), Robin H wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:25:41 +0100, jamie powell wrote: fwiw, I might be a 'pretty boy', but I'm also a black belt in karate, but feel free to underestimate me until it's too late. LOL! Hard man posturing from the safety of Internet anonymity. Duh yeh, Jayme hard man my arse! LOL! Not like us Paul Ratcliffe - Hes a ****in top geeza! I say bring it on Paul. Giv the fukin runt wot he dezerves. And Jamie switches to his sockpuppet account. Looks like Paul hit a nerve with that "runt" thing. |
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Java Jive wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:17:10 +0100, Yellow wrote: A single repeat of a programme was canceled. The same show is being repeated again later in the week, can be seen on IPlayer The later repeat is the signed version, and neither it or the iPlayer have the same quality. Get yourself an HD box. BBC HD will be showing that series over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. . . -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:32:45 +0000 (UTC), Robin H
wrote: Looks like Paul hit a nerve with that "runt" thing. Duh yeh I bet thats wot every1 used 2 call him [1] at schewl, an quite ****in right to! [1] or shud that be 'it', LOL! |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:56:58 +0000, just another thicko wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:32:45 +0000 (UTC), Robin H wrote: Looks like Paul hit a nerve with that "runt" thing. Duh yeh I bet thats wot every1 used 2 call him [1] at schewl, an quite ****in right to! [1] or shud that be 'it', LOL! And of course Jamie, the black belt will be another claim that you won't back up because you never do. |
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Java Jive wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:17:10 +0100, Yellow wrote: A single repeat of a programme was canceled. The same show is being repeated again later in the week, can be seen on IPlayer The later repeat is the signed version, and neither it or the iPlayer have the same quality. Get yourself an HD box. BBC HD will be showing that series over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. . . I think you're understating it. Bill |
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Java Jive ] said:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:01:30 +0100, Yellow wrote: It is down to the broadcasters to transmit the correct signals and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't - my PVR got the extended BBC1 coverage on BBC1 so they must have at least have sent the stop signal on time. But I bet it didn't continue recording in BBC2 without further intervention from you. I was watching it so there was no need, but no, it would not have. But while that would be a cool feature, I'm not sure that I have ever watched a programme before (I love F1 but that aside I hate sport with a passion) that has switched to another channel 15 minutes after it was scheduled to end so I am hardly surprised the software has not been written to cater for this situation. Further it's a pretty that the majority of people who set their PVRs to record Life or Gandhi would have got the tail-end of the F1 coverage instead. My PVR would have recorded nothing for Life, as it was not shown, and would have got all of next next show, given that the BBC transmitted correct start and stop signals. The worst at this game seems to me to be C5 who cause series-link to record every showing of their programmes, across all their channels meaning you can end up with the same show recorded half a dozen times. 'Game' is one possible description, though 'mess' would have been a better one. There don't seem to be any agreed standards which everyone involved follows - the PVRs are all different, the broadcasters often don't send the signals at all or on time, and they don't respect their own pre-published schedules even when there is no sporting event to overrun. I find my PVR does a pretty good job and, except for when I want something off C5, just leave it to its own devices using the auto start and stop and series link. Very occasionally, and I mean very (1 in 100?) I might lose a few seconds from the beginning of a BBC programme but otherwise its (famous last words!) 100%. Oh, it loses the very very end of This Week sometimes - just the titles for some reason. Out of interest, if there is something I really do not want to miss I always make a point of checking I have the start *and* the end before I miss the chance to record a repeated version or catch an on-line viewing. I have a Humax BTW. |
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Java Jive ] said:
In that case, why has it only recently been considered worthy of being broadcast? I have only watched F1 for 10 years and the qualifying has always been shown. In that case, why bother to run or broadcast the race at all? Get real. Why bother with any TV at all? Get a life. On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:18:35 +0100, Yellow wrote: Refusing to take on board that qualifying is the key to the race does not change the fact that it is. ;-) |
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Java Jive ] said:
Well, for one thing, it missed a few seconds, which might have upset you had you planned to keep the recording. For another, you seem to be very lucky in having a better PVR than most others. As others have pointed out, other Humaxes not only failed to make the recordings but at least one even crashed. Neither of my PVRs would have recorded the programme intended. And no PVR TIKO is going to cope with the F1 coverage being switched half way through to a different channel. The BBC must have broken the vast majority of their viewers recordings regardless of what they were trying to record! I hope they're pleased with themselves, because very others are going to be. Assuming that the BBC sent the start signal, why would PVRs in general not pick up the correct start of Gandhi? It was due to start at 8:30pm and the F1 finished, give or take a few minutes in either direction, at 8:30pm. A couple of reports here does not a summer make and you are a drama queen so I claim my 5 pounds. :-) On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:32:03 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:15:37 +0100, Java Jive wrote: I recorded Gandhi on a Freesat PVR using series-link. It started at the start with no sign of F1. The only criticism might be that a few seconds of introduction were omitted. |
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Java Jive ] said:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:17:10 +0100, Yellow wrote: A single repeat of a programme was canceled. The same show is being repeated again later in the week, can be seen on IPlayer The later repeat is the signed version, and neither it or the iPlayer have the same quality. So you want jam on it? But anyway, if people where that bothered about the programme they would probably have watched or recorded the first showing. and will also be available to watched again in the future when it is repeated over and over and over again. The most probable reason for that happening, if indeed it happens, is that it's more popular The reason BBC repeat shows they have made is because it is cost effective. than F1 Q'g, which, BTW, has only recently begun to broadcast at all, suggesting to me that others besides myself have traditionally taken the line that it doesn't make good TV. We covered this elsewhere and you are still wrong as it, according to another poster, has been broadcast for the last 13 years and for the last 10 to my certain knowledge. Noone was going to win anything last night, the race was today. Pole position was won by Rubens and Vettel lost his chance of the championship so that's not bad all in all. Consequently, there is no possible justification for such disruption to the published schedules of two major channels as actually happened. Well that is all a matter of opinion. Lucky then really that it wasn't up to you and the BBC agreed with me. The whole thing was a farce. With respect, all this fuss over a 15 minute delay to a bit of dancing is the farce. Are you going to stop clutching at straws now? I don't consider that I'm clutching at straws. Again, you are entitled to your opinion. F1 is a global sporting championship, where the winners names are remembered for all time, or at least as long as makes no difference. No they aren't. Oh yes they are. :-) No they aren't. Yes they are. At very best they're only remembered during people's lifetimes. Hence my remark about the bucket of water, which seems, like the water, to have closed way over your head. Books, and now the internet, keep history alive. :-) You may not remember who won in a given year but you *do* remember that they won - that is the point. And even if you don't, there are plenty who do. No 'the point' is that as I *now* can't remember even which year, *then* there would have been absolutely no point in wasting my time watching such secondary ephemera as the qualifying. But in fact, I couldn't have, because then it rightly wasn't considered interesting enough to broadcast. You can't even remember that it was actually broadcast so perhaps your memory is not the best yardstick by which to measure all memories by. Only thing I know about come dancing is that everyone took the **** out of John Sargent a year or two back and that one of the fellas on their at the moment was stupid enough to make a racist remark. As few, certainly not myself, seem to be mourning SCD specifically, but instead complaining about the disruption of other programmes in the schedules, and people's recording arrangements of them, the point of this remark is? So you do not actually care that come dancing was delayed by 15 minutes? Arguing for argument's sake. hmmm...... |
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"Agamemnon" wrote in message . uk... Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes You'd rather watch ballroom dancing than motor racing? Is this you 'coming out'? :-) Z |
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:02:37 +0100, "Zimmy" wrote:
"Agamemnon" wrote in message .uk... Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes You'd rather watch ballroom dancing than motor racing? Is this you 'coming out'? :-) :-) Competitive ballroom dancing is a test of physical skill as well as artistry. Try to ignore the ******ing sequins. At least in dancing the competitors are visible. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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And Sunday the GP overran again, whilst they showed a recap, by 7 minutes.
Countryfile, despite starting 7 minutes late, managed to finish on time for the scheduled 2010 Casualty. Does this mean the beeb are now editing down following programmes to fit? Richard |
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"Java Jive" wrote:
[snip] You can't even remember that it was actually broadcast so perhaps your memory is not the best yardstick by which to measure all memories by. My memory seems to be better than yours ... http://forums.autosport.com/lofivers...p/t112436.html So, like I said above, when I first moved here, it wasn't being regularly broadcast, regular broadcasts being a new phenomenon since '98. Current heightened UK interest shown on the graphs is doubtless largely due to having, now, two British WCs in a row. So why does the graph of qualifying numbers go back to 1992? FWIW, the BBC showed qualifying occasionally from the mid-seventies - particularly the British GP. Back then though, qualifying wasn't always available since the host broadcaster could decide whether to cover it at all. Only when Bernie's FOM began to organise things 'properly' did the qually become part of the TV package, purchased by BBC or ITV. Basically, if you want to show the races you have to show the qualifying too. Thankfully the Beeb are showing all sessions, including the 3 Friday/Saturday practice sessions live on the red button. The red button also shows reruns, highlights and historical footage around the race weekends. -- Brian W Lawrence Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK |
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Java Jive ] said:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:50:12 +0100, Yellow wrote: I have only watched F1 for 10 years and the qualifying has always been shown. Like I said, a recent phenomenon. In that case, why bother to run or broadcast the race at all? Get real. Why bother with any TV at all? Get a life. That applies equally to both of us, so is hardly adequate as an answer to my specific point. Make a valid point and I will address it. |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:45 +0100, Yellow wrote: Assuming that the BBC sent the start signal, why would PVRs in general not pick up the correct start of Gandhi? It was due to start at 8:30pm and the F1 finished, give or take a few minutes in either direction, at 8:30pm. Because many of them, including the two that I own, and another I have passed on, simply do not have that functionality. You have a PVR that does not look at broadcaster starts and stops? That function was available on VCRs! It's only comparatively recent boxes Sweeping aside that you state elsewhere that 10 years ago is "relatively recent", my 3 year old, now obsolete, Humax does so it sounds like it might be time to consider an upgrade. that attempt it, and many seem not to manage it all well. Apart from three or four posts here, what evidence do you have of that? It obviously needs the broadcaster to send the commands, but mine copes admirably. Even those that do make a fair effort, as you and others have admitted, frequently miss the very beginning or end of the programme, which, if you want to make a decent recording that you might wish to keep, rather than just simply watch it, may not be acceptable. No, I said I *rarely* miss the start or end of a programme. And if it is that important to you for a given programme, there are ways and means (alternatively know as making an effort), to ensure that you catch the whole show. A couple of reports here does not a summer make and you are a drama queen so I claim my 5 pounds. :-) Bah! Sanctimonious smart-arse hypocrisy. I take it then you've run out of real arguments. My comment was with respect to your assertion that a few posts here prove all PVRs fail to make proper recordings and my comment stands. I will however say that it is somewhat hypocritical of you so snip that reference in an attempt to misrepresent my comments. :-p |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:09:56 +0100, Yellow wrote: So you want jam on it? But anyway, if people where that bothered about the programme they would probably have watched or recorded the first showing. As I did, but we have also heard here of others that didn't. Also, if we are to accept that sport has priority over normal scheduling, there's nothing in principle to stop the original showing being disrupted as well. That is a strawman as the original broadcast was not disrupted and had it been, there was ample opportunity for people to catch the repeat. Yes, that to could be disrupted but you could also be dead in a ditch and therefore not care so this path of "what if" argument is pointless. The most probable reason for that happening, if indeed it happens, is that it's more popular The reason BBC repeat shows they have made is because it is cost effective. But the reason they repeat some ad infinitum is that they are the most popular. No, the reason they repeat them is financial. than F1 Q'g, which, BTW, has only recently begun to broadcast at all, suggesting to me that others besides myself have traditionally taken the line that it doesn't make good TV. We covered this elsewhere and you are still wrong as it, according to another poster, has been broadcast for the last 13 years and for the last 10 to my certain knowledge. Originally I wrote: "I'd like to see some independent evidence of that. When I first moved here 12 yrs ago, at that time I was watching all the races, and have no recollection of the qualifying being shown at that time.." However, I have now obtained evidence that this recollection is in fact correct. I moved here mid '97 season, regular broadcasting of qualifying began in '98. See the link below. Sorry, I do not understand what point you are making here expect to confirm your original assertion was incorrect - but we all already know that. Pole position was won by Rubens and Vettel lost his chance of the championship so that's not bad all in all. But noone won anything of lasting significance. The WC was decided the next day. Pole position was extremely significant and the the fact that Vettel blew his chance, doubley so. With respect, all this fuss over a 15 minute delay to a bit of dancing is the farce. It wasn't just 15 mins delay to SCD, as you keep trying to make out, BBC2's schedule was disrupted even more badly. Yes, a repeat, and a repeat that was being repeated again at a later day, was shelved. So a 15 minute delay on one show and a few days delay on another. A pity for those who sat down to view, but hardly life changing stuff. I think most people would agree that the farce was causing such disruption for over an hour's worth of watching people standing around under umbrellas in the rain. At very best they're only remembered during people's lifetimes. Hence my remark about the bucket of water, which seems, like the water, to have closed way over your head. Books, and now the internet, keep history alive. :-) details of lack of interest in sporting history snipped Just because you are not interested does not make the topic of no interest or of no merit. You can't even remember that it was actually broadcast so perhaps your memory is not the best yardstick by which to measure all memories by. My memory seems to be better than yours ... My memory of the last 10 years is perfect thanks and qualifying has always been shown during that period. http://forums.autosport.com/lofivers...p/t112436.html And? So, like I said above, when I first moved here, it wasn't being regularly broadcast, regular broadcasts being a new phenomenon since '98. Current heightened UK interest shown on the graphs is doubtless largely due to having, now, two British WCs in a row. To repeat, I have been watching qualifying for the last 10 years. So you do not actually care that come dancing was delayed by 15 minutes? I care that the schedules of two major channels were needlessly disrupted to show endless chatter between various individuals under umbrellas in the rain. Needlessly in your opinion, but lucky for me and other viewers of F1, the BBC did not agree. :-p Arguing for argument's sake. hmmm...... No, I have a point which I have been making consistently all along. It's you who seems to be fixated on only SCD. A lot of fuss over nothing *is* arguing for argument's sake - trust me on this one. |
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Oh, and the viewing figures, according to Digital spy?
Saturday -------- GP 4.5m BBC1 GP 1.71m BBC2 SCD 7.84m "normal" Casualty 4.5m "normal" Merlin 5m So the GP doesn't get better viewing figures, to justify disrupting normal schedules - it could have been on BBC2. Richard |
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Yellow wrote:
Java Jive ] said: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:45 +0100, Yellow wrote: Assuming that the BBC sent the start signal, why would PVRs in general not pick up the correct start of Gandhi? It was due to start at 8:30pm and the F1 finished, give or take a few minutes in either direction, at 8:30pm. Because many of them, including the two that I own, and another I have passed on, simply do not have that functionality. You have a PVR that does not look at broadcaster starts and stops? That function was available on VCRs! It's only comparatively recent boxes Sweeping aside that you state elsewhere that 10 years ago is "relatively recent", my 3 year old, now obsolete, Humax does so it sounds like it might be time to consider an upgrade. My 8 month old Humax either misses the start of programmes or continues recording after the end, at least an hour, until I turn it off at the mains. So I set it so it starts 5 minutes early and finishes 5 minutes late. This only fails when there is sport before the wanted programme. It has the latest software and it is a known problem with "accurate recording" setting. Phil |
Total Moronic BBC Scheduling
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:20:11 +0100, Java Jive
wrote: It's rare that I end up agreeing with everything that Agamoron says, never with the way he says it, but ... On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:43:30 +0100, Chris wrote: Agamemnon wrote: Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes and it looks like its going to be another ****ing hour before the qualifying session is even going to start because of a rain delay. Yes, it's now replacing the Attenborough 'Life' programme, though fortunately that's a repeat and I've already recorded the first broadcast, and the Ghandi programme looks to be in danger too. I was dissappointed that this was cancelled since we missed it first time. ITS A ****ING PRACTICE SESSION FOR ****S SAKE. IT'S NOT EVEN THE ACTUAL ****ING GRAND PRIX! Exactly. I find the qualifying at least as interesting as the race. Sometimes it is more exciting. Why didn't these ****ing morons put it on interactive. Yes, I thought one of the major purposes of the extra interactive channels was to allow flexibility when sporting events overrun. Calm down dear, its only a TV programme But I don't understand why the BBC broadcasts the qualifying sessions, in the first place. It strikes me as being a complete waste of resources - that is, licence payers' money. I think Strickly is a waste of license payers money. How many singing/dancing competitions on TV do we need. This format of programme has been done for years. It's about time we had something different. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. [Reply-to address valid until it is spammed.] |
Total Moronic BBC Scheduling
"Java Jive" wrote in message
... My original assertion was entirely correct. Broadcasting F1Q is a recent phenomenon. The races have been televised for 40-50 years, but qualifying only 11. While it's true that some Grands Prix were televised as long ago as the 'sixties, that was only selected events such as the British GP, Monaco and Italy. Most races were not shown. The BBC began to show almost all races in - I think - 1978. Not every race was shown live or in its entirety. Typically they were part of Sunday Grandstand and shared airtime with other events - usually cricket. The late night BBC 2 highlights program, 'Grand Prix' began at about that time, and covered all races. I queried the reason for the graph starting in 1992 - that was the year that qualifying was changed to a single hour on Saturday, thus making it more appealing to tv companies. The BBC chose not to show it at that time. Here's a link that shows how many countries around the world show qualifying live, simply because it is so important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_broadcasters Of 819 F1 events 329 (40%) have been won by the driver who started from pole position. Pole position was extremely significant and the the fact that Vettel blew his chance, doubley so. [snip] -- Brian |
Total Moronic BBC Scheduling
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:02:37 +0100, "Zimmy" wrote:
"Agamemnon" wrote in message .uk... Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes You'd rather watch ballroom dancing than motor racing? Is this you 'coming out'? :-) Z I thnk he wanted to watch Merlin. He was pointing out that a lot of others wanted the dancing. I was well p.... off as I'd missed the end of Life when it was first shown (I think it ran late) and I wanted to record teh repeat and the last ep of Ghandi. Considering the Beeb have been pushing Life for weeks it smacks of incompetence. They should have put the F1 on the news channel. That's full of repeats already anyway. |
Total Moronic BBC Scheduling
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