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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Ivan wrote:

Love him or hate him, one has to agree that Murdoch had it spot on when
he insisted that all of his Sky receivers had to conform to a standard
menu system.

I have one of his boxes, it's 11 years old today. Still working perfectly,
and has had channels come, go, and move seamlessly over the years without
any fuss, or intervention from me.


Much better than my Humax PVR which wants to retune Freesat on and all to
frequent basis.

I would have hoped that the transmitted EPG would contain all the channel
parameters, which the receiver could just store and then use when needed.

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Michael Chare

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Mark Carver wrote:
Ivan wrote:

Love him or hate him, one has to agree that Murdoch had it spot on
when he insisted that all of his Sky receivers had to conform to a
standard menu system.

And I wonder where he got that idea from ....

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Adrian C wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Ivan wrote:

Love him or hate him, one has to agree that Murdoch had it spot on
when he insisted that all of his Sky receivers had to conform to a
standard menu system.

And I wonder where he got that idea from ....


Oh scrap that, I've OD'd on caffine again - the above comment is indeed
valid for pre-Sky+, and I've answered the wrong post (sorry Mark)

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Alan wrote:
In message , Ivan
wrote

Exactly, as I've mentioned elsewhere, it certainly makes one wonder
what goes on in the mindset of the people who design the software for
some of these things? what possible reason can there be for it 'not'
being as simple the setting up procedure on my cheap and cheerful
Digifusion PVR?. which was, Menu button 'Channel Setup' 'Channel
Tuning' 'Full Scan Add New Channels' // 'Full Scan Replace Existing
Channels'.. I simply selected the latter option and the job was done
within minutes, with full channel list in correct order.


But how well would it have worked if it picked up channels from
multiple transmitters?


Well it would have done just that, from Wenvoe just across the water, had I
not used a C/D filter on the aerial input, however exactly the same would
have applied to 'any' menu configured to do a 'full scan to replace existing
channels' without a filter or some kind of editing of the channel list
afterwards. I think that's where most people attempting a retune went wrong,
because instead of selecting the default condition and initiating a full
rescan (or completely deleting the existing channel list) they simply
selected add channels.

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In message , writes
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:21:34 GMT
Roger Wilmut wrote:
quality, but they do need to sort out the operational end. There must
be a number of non-technical and/or elderly Humax owners out there who
are extremely puzzled.

Its just another issue to add to the long list of Humax bugs. Quality control
at Humax must be a joke, assuming they even have any. When my 9200 expires
- and at the rate its locking up that probably won't be long - I have no
intention of replacing it with another Humax , I intend to avoid the Humax
brand for life its ****ed me off so much. More fool me for buying it to
replace an equally bug ridden FOX-T.

B2003

I found that there was no need for a re-set on the 9200T.

This worked for me (after a re-scan didn't):

Edit channels, delete the lot, re-scan, re-boot, done.
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Roger Wilmut wrote:
In article , Jeff Layman
wrote:

Yes - similar problems with my 9200T.... (snip)

I have a Humax 9200, 8000 and F2-FOX-T. All behaved badly on an initial
rescan (Crystal Palace) so I rang Humax and found a recorded message
giving instructions:

1. Switch off at the mains
2. Unplug the aerial
3. Switch on and do a default reset.
4. Scan for channels and obviously don't find any.
4. Switch of at the mains
5. Reconnect aerial
6. Switch on and do another channel scan.

This is ridiculous and bad design. Two Sony TVs, an LG TV, a Pioneer
box, a Pace Twin and a fairly ancient Ferguson box all rescanned
perfectly. When I had an OnDigital box it handled similar rescans
perfectly well. Humax boxes are basically good and give good reliable
quality, but they do need to sort out the operational end. There must
be a number of non-technical and/or elderly Humax owners out there who
are extremely puzzled.

Typical lack of real interest/expertise at Humax. They still haven't
fixed the 9200T late start/early finish bug using "Accurate Record"
My next PVR will be a Sony, where I am reliably informed they do the
right thing in software!

As has been mentioned before, in this thread and elsewhere, and for any
future 9200T retune :

1. Clear channel list
2. Automatic retune
3. Switch to standby and return to re-order EPG list correctly.

NOTE : The "factory reset", restore defaults will wipe *every* setting
in the box.

Very unsatisfactory.

Richard

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Bill Wright wrote:
I've been on holiday today, so haven't had any messages from customers
(well, only two), but here's how my own retune has gone so far:
1. Newish Sony IDTV. Just did it with no problem.
2. Humax F2 Fox T: Found only 24 channels, lost everything else, so I tried
again. Same result. Did a factory reset, this worked OK. The odd thing is,
the receiver comes on now when powered up without needing the standby button
to be pressed, which it didn't before.

Tomorrow I have to retune a lot of stuff, so I'll report back.

Bill


No doubt you'll let the appropriate authorities know your findings,
Bill? :-)

Seriously, if everyone who suffered contacted their equipment
manufacturer to complain of the distinctly user unfriendly way this
exercise went, maybe they'd at least design any new kit to do it
automatically.

Hopefully the DTG are aware of this thread, and will take action to make
changes more seamless for the great unwashed.

Richard

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"Dickie mint" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
I've been on holiday today, so haven't had any messages from customers
(well, only two), but here's how my own retune has gone so far:
1. Newish Sony IDTV. Just did it with no problem.
2. Humax F2 Fox T: Found only 24 channels, lost everything else, so I
tried again. Same result. Did a factory reset, this worked OK. The odd
thing is, the receiver comes on now when powered up without needing the
standby button to be pressed, which it didn't before.

Tomorrow I have to retune a lot of stuff, so I'll report back.

Bill
No doubt you'll let the appropriate authorities know your findings, Bill?
:-)

Why on earth isn't there a proper spec for DTT boxes? Or at least, why don't
manufacturers build in some sensible tuning options? For instance:
1. Ability to set tuning limits to a given range of channels
2. Ability to set the desired transmitter ID.
3. Ability to not scan certain designated channels.
4. Ability to ignore muxes below a certain settable quality threshold.

Bill

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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:50:15 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

1. Ability to set tuning limits to a given range of channels

That is what the manual tunning option does (well limited
to one UHF channel) surely?

Or do not all digital tuners have this ability?

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J G Miller wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:50:15 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

1. Ability to set tuning limits to a given range of channels

That is what the manual tunning option does (well limited
to one UHF channel) surely?

Or do not all digital tuners have this ability?

Some (many? most?) insist on tuning *either* a single UHF channel *or* the
whole range they know about - which often includes VHF.

Of course, those of us with Topfield PVRs can use the deeply wonderful
'FastScanGUI' TAP which scans just the known digital channels from a given
transmitter ...

André Coutanche