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"J G Miller" wrote in message
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: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:57:16 +0100, Jerry wrote:
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: ...in any of the cross posted groups, that takes some doing,
especially
: one including uk.d-i-y!
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: So there is no room for discussing creating an atomic pile in
the basement
: or a fusion reactor down in the garden shed? ;)
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Technically speaking, yes, assuming it was a DIY project! :~)

If you happen to have 19kg or plutonium I can find the stuf to make the
fusion bit work.
PS don't keep all the plutonium together or it will be spoilt.

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On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:57:56 +0100, Paul Martin wrote:

Are you saying the earth doesn't go around the Sun (as a first
approximation)?

To a pedant, that is correct. The earth orbits the centre of mass of the
whole solar system (to a first approximation). That might not always lie
within the Sun.

Please don't confuse this thread with physics... it's too funny watching
it unfurl without the introduction of science.

BW

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Java Jive wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:37:47 +0100, "Norman Wells"
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

As I clearly said, fission is clearly taking place.

Well, you said it, but only cited the discredited Herndon's
hypothesis in support which is 'not accepted by the scientific
community'. I would conclude from that that it isn't taking place
at all.

And the earth is warmer than it should be
core wise.

It's as warm as it is. There's no such thing as warm as it should
be.

It has been calculated how old the earth should be by assuming it was
once molten and calculating how long it would take to cool to its
current temperature, and without allowing for fission from natural
radio-activity, the numbers don't add up.

I calculate by assuming my income and expenditure that I should be solvent
at the end of every month. However, I observe that I never seem to have any
money. What do _you_ think is wrong?


So the jury ion actual 'recators' is still out, but nuclear fission
is taking place all around us, and gives off SOME heat.

Only in nuclear power stations, my friend. Not in cuckoo clocks,
not in batteries whether charging or discharging, not in springs,
not anywhere else in fact.

No, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

Oh, you mean natural decay of radioactive isotopes. Ok, fair enough. You
can have those too, but the effects are utterly trivial.

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Bambleweeny57 wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:57:56 +0100, Paul Martin wrote:

Are you saying the earth doesn't go around the Sun (as a first
approximation)?

To a pedant, that is correct. The earth orbits the centre of mass of
the whole solar system (to a first approximation). That might not
always lie within the Sun.

Please don't confuse this thread with physics... it's too funny
watching it unfurl without the introduction of science.


Thank you. Your comment made me smile.

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On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:20:18 +0100, Norman Wells wrote:

Norman, I suggest you wander off and do some in depth reading
about
the advancements in the scientific theories relating to Quantum
Mechanics that have taken place in the last 30+ years. You appear
to
be stuck in the theories of 50+ years ago.

Unfortunately that won't help at all with situations that don't involve
quantum mechanics in the slightest.

The physics of sub-atomic particles has no relevance unless you're
considering sub-atomic particles. Winding a cuckoo clock doesn't.

OK how does a clock spring store energy without *any*
atomic/sub-atomic effects?

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Are you saying now that the earth has a nuclear reaction going on at its
centre, and that's the reason it's pretty warm down there?



Yes, and no, that's not the only reason. Not even the biggest reason. Of
course it has nuclear reactions going on down there..where else would all
the radon come from? and all the uranium is still decaying whether we use
it in reactors or not.

You do know that there is a difference between radioactive decay and
fission?

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:58:25 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller wrote:

No, what crashed the world's financial systems was the selling on of
domestic mortgage debt which had been generated from banks loaning out
money to people who did not and would never have the means to repay
the loan.

The abilty for the people to pay or not isn't particularly relevant.
The root problem was that the underlying value of the asset wasn't
enough to cover the debt on it.

If you are being charitable you say the banks took a gamble on the
asset values continuing to rise and by the time the debt was due
their value would cover it. A gamble they lost big time.

IMHO the reality is the banks got greedy, seeing lots of income from
the interest on massive loans, the mere fact that the value of the
loan was far more than the value of the asset was ignored.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
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"Kennedy McEwen" wrote in message
Few homosexuals would want to admit to "cottaging", even
today, as it's still an illegal act...

No-one's ever propositioned me in a public toilet. I can't understand
why.


Lucky you.

No, unlucky me. I believe that we should try everything once except incest
and morris dancing.

Bill

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[email protected] wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Are you saying now that the earth has a nuclear reaction going on
at its centre, and that's the reason it's pretty warm down there?



Yes, and no, that's not the only reason. Not even the biggest
reason. Of course it has nuclear reactions going on down
there..where else would all the radon come from? and all the uranium
is still decaying whether we use it in reactors or not.

You do know that there is a difference between radioactive decay and
fission?

Actually, radioactive decay _is_ a form of nuclear fission.

However, it is not a nuclear 'reaction', which necessarily involves
bombardment with neutrons.

Nuclear reactions do not produce radon. Radon comes about as a result of
radioactive decay of naturally-occurring radium. It's existence therefore
is no indication at all of 'nuclear reactions going on down there'.

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:04:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

We either do it voluntarily, or the planet will do it for us or cause us
to do it to ourselves. The first signs of the planet doing it are in
evidence now. It wouldn't take much for there to be global war once the
first real wobble occurs.

There were food riots in some parts of the world when the price of
oil shot up and food prices along with it. The financial crisis
doesn't greatly affect those who don't have much money...

The financial system will go first (like it nearly did last year) and
once that has gone everything else goes downhill rapidly.

*Very* rapidly, days, weeks if we are lucky. Look how rapidly the
supermarket shelves emptied during the last fuel blockades a few
years back. Our society is balnced ona very sharp knife edge it
wouldn't take much to knock it off.

Lots of people will die though starvation or being killed by someone
else in competition for resources.

Yep, I wonder how many of the UK population will survive 1%? or less?

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Dave.