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Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if
this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? TIA |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:27:55 +0100, "Dave Smethurst" [email protected] wrote:
OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? I'll leave it to someone who knows more than I do to answer those questions. Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? There is this unofficial website: http://www.ukfree.tv/allchannels.php Official Freeview website: http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/Channels The official Freesat website: http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?page=whatson.Main -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
"Dave Smethurst" [email protected] wrote in message
... OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? TIA A Sky box with no card will receive default regions - that is BBC1 London and ITV1 Central West. All other viewing (as distinct from advertising) channels that you can get on Freeview you will get on Sky except M&M, the siblings of five, Dave, and Virgin1. In addition you will get Euronews, Russia Today, and France 24 which are not on Freeview. You can buy a viewing card from Sky for a once off charge of £20 which will give you your correct regions (assuming the region where you live is the region that Sky also says) and the five siblings but still not Dave and Virgin1. You can use an expired package viewing card to get the same free channels. For clarification:- Freeview is terrestrial didgital TV Freesat is TV sourced from the same sats as Sky but with a different EPG. Freesat from Sky is sat sourced TV with the Sky programme guide plus the ability to add any Sky packages you want at any time (albeit you may then also have to have the landline connection.) -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
"Dave Smethurst" [email protected] wrote in message ... OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? TIA Pull the card from your Sky+ and power cycle the box. The channels you are left with are exactly the ones you will get with a standard digibox with no card. Note that 101 now maps to London and 103 is Midlands E BBC North-West can be received 978. Granada is a bit more problematic, it can be tuned in with "additional channels" and viewed via "other channels". Messy. Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which again can be tuned as an additional channel (10.773 H 22 5/6 "FIVE") Again, messy. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 23:06:10 +0100, "Woody"
wrote: "Dave Smethurst" [email protected] wrote in message ... OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? TIA A Sky box with no card will receive default regions - that is BBC1 London and ITV1 Central West. All other viewing (as distinct from advertising) channels that you can get on Freeview you will get on Sky except M&M, the siblings of five, Dave, and Virgin1. In addition you will get Euronews, Russia Today, and France 24 which are not on Freeview. Minor correction - Russia Today is on Freeview Ch85 at 06:00 - 08:00, 18:00 - 22:00 according to: http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/C...s/Russia-Today I can't see the 06:00 - 08:00 slot in the EPG though. You can buy a viewing card from Sky for a once off charge of £20 which will give you your correct regions (assuming the region where you live is the region that Sky also says) and the five siblings but still not Dave and Virgin1. You can use an expired package viewing card to get the same free channels. For clarification:- Freeview is terrestrial didgital TV Freesat is TV sourced from the same sats as Sky but with a different EPG. Freesat from Sky is sat sourced TV with the Sky programme guide plus the ability to add any Sky packages you want at any time (albeit you may then also have to have the landline connection.) -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:27:55 +0100, "Dave Smethurst" [email protected]
wrote: OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. A couple of pages on my website may help: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...VGlossary.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...TVInTheUK.html We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Will you actually need a new Freeview STB? DSO won't necessarily mean that you need a new STB, it depends on whether is was originally built to the Freeview spec or Freeview as then implemented: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? http://www.freeview.co.uk/ http://www.freesat.co.uk/ WARNING: Some might consider the names of both schemes on this page to be deliberately misleading: http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/ ====================================== Please always reply to news group as the email address in this post's header does not exist. Alternatively, use one of the contact addresses at: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
"Java Jive" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:27:55 +0100, "Dave Smethurst" [email protected] wrote: OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. A couple of pages on my website may help: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...VGlossary.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...TVInTheUK.html We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Will you actually need a new Freeview STB? DSO won't necessarily mean that you need a new STB, it depends on whether is was originally built to the Freeview spec or Freeview as then implemented: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? http://www.freeview.co.uk/ http://www.freesat.co.uk/ WARNING: Some might consider the names of both schemes on this page to be deliberately misleading: http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/ http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...le-on-Freeview Dont forget that FreeviewHD kit (should) be avail before switchoff takes place in Granada. The OP doesnt likely have a HD Telly as most have had Freeview from the early stages but it is worth watching for the boxes. I would suggest if the OP has good reception to just pay the 6-7£ for a freeview box ;).. |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
Graham. wrote:
Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which again can be tuned as an additional channel (10.773 H 22 5/6 "FIVE") That's there for Freesat boxes, and is mapped to Ch 105 only on Freesat's EPG. There are four encrypted regional (ads only) versions of C5, these are mapped to Ch 105 on Sky's EPG according to your postcode. That's why you still need a card to view C5 on a Sky box (without the need to manually add it using 10773) -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
Woody wrote:
A Sky box with no card will receive default regions - that is BBC1 London and ITV1 Central West. All other viewing (as distinct from advertising) channels that you can get on Freeview you will get on Sky except M&M, the siblings of five, Dave, and Virgin1. In addition you will get Euronews, Russia Today, and France 24 which are not on Freeview. You're mistaken about M&M, it is not on Freeview but is on sky 178 on the epg also on Freesat 450. -- ^..^ This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help her wipe out Bunny's world domination. |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
mr deo wrote:
"Java Jive" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:27:55 +0100, "Dave Smethurst" [email protected] wrote: OK, I freely admit to being more than just a bit thick and I apologise if this has been covered before but I need help, because I'm completely confused by the difference between Freeview, Freesat, Freesat from Sky and/or whatever else may be out there. A couple of pages on my website may help: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...VGlossary.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi...TVInTheUK.html We had "standard" Sky Digital for about 10 years and then went to Sky+. When the engineer installed a quad LNB and ran the new cables for Sky+, I asked him to leave the old cable in so that I could then re-run it into the bedroom and use the old Sky Digibox in there - but I never actually got round to doing it. We go through DSO here on 4th November (Winter Hill transmitter - Granada) so my question is, if I resurrect my old Sky box (which currently has no viewing card), what channels could I expect to get out of it in comparison to buying a new Freeview STB? Will you actually need a new Freeview STB? DSO won't necessarily mean that you need a new STB, it depends on whether is was originally built to the Freeview spec or Freeview as then implemented: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf Is there a website that shows side-by-side what channels are on which system? http://www.freeview.co.uk/ http://www.freesat.co.uk/ WARNING: Some might consider the names of both schemes on this page to be deliberately misleading: http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/ http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...le-on-Freeview Dont forget that FreeviewHD kit (should) be avail before switchoff takes place in Granada. The OP doesnt likely have a HD Telly as most have had Freeview from the early stages but it is worth watching for the boxes. I would suggest if the OP has good reception to just pay the 6-7£ for a freeview box ;).. Thanks very much everyone for the info, much appreciated :o) Dave |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which again can be tuned as an additional channel (10.773 H 22 5/6 "FIVE") Presumably the "clear" version is the Freesat version of Five, perhaps it doesn't transmit certain programmes when there are rights issues? |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:17:59 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which again can be tuned as an additional channel (10.773 H 22 5/6 "FIVE") Presumably the "clear" version is the Freesat version of Five, perhaps it doesn't transmit certain programmes when there are rights issues? That is indeed the version that appears on Freesat. I haven't noticed any programmes being absent. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
In uk.tech.digital-tv Graham. wrote:
: Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an : on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an : unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which Not any longer - or rather not in the south of England C5 "advertising region" at least! From last week C5 on 105 has been switched to a FTA version and, obviously worked WITHOUT the smartcard! |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
Brian Mc wrote:
In uk.tech.digital-tv Graham. wrote: Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which Not any longer - or rather not in the south of England C5 "advertising region" at least! From last week C5 on 105 has been switched to a FTA version and, obviously worked WITHOUT the smartcard! Interesting, I wonder if they're doing it one region at a time, here in the north a card is still required. -- ^..^ This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help her wipe out Bunny's world domination. |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
"Adrian" wrote in message ... Brian Mc wrote: In uk.tech.digital-tv Graham. wrote: Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which Not any longer - or rather not in the south of England C5 "advertising region" at least! From last week C5 on 105 has been switched to a FTA version and, obviously worked WITHOUT the smartcard! Interesting, I wonder if they're doing it one region at a time, here in the north a card is still required. -- ^..^ This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help her wipe out Bunny's world domination. They are messing about with Freeview for the sake of Channel five. There could be a connection. Gary |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
"Brian Mc" wrote in message ... In uk.tech.digital-tv Graham. wrote: : Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an : on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an : unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which Not any longer - or rather not in the south of England C5 "advertising region" at least! From last week C5 on 105 has been switched to a FTA version and, obviously worked WITHOUT the smartcard! So I wonder why they don't make it the 105 default "sans carte"? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Old Sky box and/or Freeview?
Adrian wrote:
Brian Mc wrote: In uk.tech.digital-tv Graham. wrote: Chanel 5 on 105 is scrambled, so without a card you get an on-screen message, but, for reasons that I cannot fathom an unencrypted version is transmitted outside the EPG which Not any longer - or rather not in the south of England C5 "advertising region" at least! From last week C5 on 105 has been switched to a FTA version and, obviously worked WITHOUT the smartcard! Interesting, I wonder if they're doing it one region at a time, here in the north a card is still required. Interesting. I assume the 'South of England' aka Region 2 stream that is being mapped to Sky 105 is the 10773 FTA version, as used for Freesat ? The remaining streams (Regions 1,3,4) that are encrypted are still at 12422, and therefore must remain encrypted as they're on wide beam. http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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