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endymion August 25th 09 05:45 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl) so that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this and why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?



Java Jive[_3_] August 25th 09 06:23 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
You may find a page on my site a useful starting point ...
http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi.../ChooseTV.html

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:07 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.


That's a new one on me. I thought they were either 'HD Ready', or
not.

Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl)


Great mistake to put this in :-) I know some families where the woman
of the household is technically far more 'with it' than the man!

so that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this and why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


HD stands for High Definition. This and 'HD Ready' is explained on my
web page. What I suspect is that 'HD Fully Ready' may refer to
changes to digital transmissions that are occurring. It's strange
that if it is an accepted term, Google has only 3 hits for it, one of
which is your OP!

Hopefully someone here can elucidate, you will get help, and I'll be
able to update my webpage to explain the latest piece of confusing and
possibly misleading jargon to hit UK TV!

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Peter Duncanson August 25th 09 06:34 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:07 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:

My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl) so that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this and why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


Panasonic seem to use "Full HD" to mean that the screen has 1080 lines.
This is the standard number of lines in an HD picture. And "HD Ready"
means that the TV can display HD pictures but that it converts the
resolution from 1080 lines to 768 lines. This just means that an HD
picture is not as good as it would be on a Full HD set but is better
than a picture from an SD (standard definition) source.

Can you give some more information about the two TVs you are interested
in, model name or number, whatever?

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Dr Zoidberg[_5_] August 25th 09 06:50 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
"endymion" wrote in message
...
My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl) so
that I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this
and why anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?



Pretty much all flat panel TVs now are HD ready.
That means that it has a screen resolution of at least 720 lines (compared
to 576 on "standard" TV) , but those labelled as Full HD have 1080 lines.

If all you plan on doing is watching DVDs or other standard definition
programs then you won't see much difference between the two.
They will both have a built in freeview tuner (digital tv through an aerial)
which will just be standard definition.

If you are going to watch high definition programs from a blu-ray player or
SkyHD (or similar) then the full HD set will look better.

--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"


Roger R[_2_] August 25th 09 10:10 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 

"endymion" wrote in message
...
My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.


Like computers, now is never a good time to buy a TV as there is always a
better model available tomorrow.

TV's in the shops now have either LCD screens or Plasma (for larger sizes
over 40), but there is a new type just coming out - LED.
LED models on display seemed to me to have exceptionally clear picture.
They are very slim at just over an inch, and use around 40% less
electricity. If your set is on a lot that might be an important
consideration.
I expect all the manufacturers will have LED models out soon, though Samsung
are the only ones I have seen so far.

I'm not recommending these suppliers but they have some info about LED:
http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/edit...D-Series-7-8-9

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/adv...000-Series-LED

Roger R



Dr Zoidberg[_5_] August 25th 09 10:16 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
"Roger R" wrote in message
...

"endymion" wrote in message
...
My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.


Like computers, now is never a good time to buy a TV as there is always a
better model available tomorrow.

TV's in the shops now have either LCD screens or Plasma (for larger sizes
over 40), but there is a new type just coming out - LED.
LED models on display seemed to me to have exceptionally clear picture.
They are very slim at just over an inch, and use around 40% less
electricity. If your set is on a lot that might be an important
consideration.
I expect all the manufacturers will have LED models out soon, though
Samsung
are the only ones I have seen so far.

These aren't LED TVs - they are LCD screens with the backlighting done by
LEDs.



--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"


Roger R[_2_] August 25th 09 10:53 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
Like computers, now is never a good time to buy a TV as there is always a
better model available tomorrow.

TV's in the shops now have either LCD screens or Plasma (for larger
sizes
over 40), but there is a new type just coming out - LED.
LED models on display seemed to me to have exceptionally clear picture.
They are very slim at just over an inch, and use around 40% less
electricity.


Less than what? Not less than a CRT I'll wager. How does their power
consumption compare with a CRT?


As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK) is
that a realistic comparison?

I thought idea with product promotion is to come up with significant
sounding but meaningless statistics such as: 40% less.
- Less than something that is 40% more of course ;-)

Roger R









Java Jive[_3_] August 26th 09 12:42 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:53:47 +0100, "Roger R"
wrote:

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...

Less than what? Not less than a CRT I'll wager. How does their power
consumption compare with a CRT?


As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK) is
that a realistic comparison?


He's wrong anyway. My 14" CRT consumes more electricity than my 15"
LCD, and you seem to be saying that LED backlit LCDs are more
efficient again than my relatively ancient lamp backlit model!

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Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 26th 09 01:30 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Java Jive wrote:

Less than what? Not less than a CRT I'll wager. How does their power
consumption compare with a CRT?


As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK) is
that a realistic comparison?


He's wrong anyway. My 14" CRT consumes more electricity than my 15"
LCD, and you seem to be saying that LED backlit LCDs are more
efficient again than my relatively ancient lamp backlit model!


Here are some objective figures in case it helps. My 46" LED/LCD TV consumes
about 70W when displaying typical pictures, about 45W with no input signal, and
3W in standby. How does that compare?

Rod.
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Java Jive[_3_] August 26th 09 02:59 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
But what are we going to compare this with?

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:30:45 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

Here are some objective figures in case it helps. My 46" LED/LCD TV consumes
about 70W when displaying typical pictures, about 45W with no input signal, and
3W in standby. How does that compare?


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Brian Gaff August 26th 09 07:12 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
Anyone know if Samsung now have models with audio description built in?
Brian

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"Roger R" wrote in message
...

"endymion" wrote in message
...
My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.


Like computers, now is never a good time to buy a TV as there is always a
better model available tomorrow.

TV's in the shops now have either LCD screens or Plasma (for larger sizes
over 40), but there is a new type just coming out - LED.
LED models on display seemed to me to have exceptionally clear picture.
They are very slim at just over an inch, and use around 40% less
electricity. If your set is on a lot that might be an important
consideration.
I expect all the manufacturers will have LED models out soon, though
Samsung
are the only ones I have seen so far.

I'm not recommending these suppliers but they have some info about LED:
http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/edit...D-Series-7-8-9

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/adv...000-Series-LED

Roger R




Brian Gaff August 26th 09 07:16 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
I particularly liked the marketing term, Lifetime guarantee.
Brian

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"Roger R" wrote in message
...

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
Like computers, now is never a good time to buy a TV as there is always
a
better model available tomorrow.

TV's in the shops now have either LCD screens or Plasma (for larger
sizes
over 40), but there is a new type just coming out - LED.
LED models on display seemed to me to have exceptionally clear picture.
They are very slim at just over an inch, and use around 40% less
electricity.


Less than what? Not less than a CRT I'll wager. How does their power
consumption compare with a CRT?


As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?

I thought idea with product promotion is to come up with significant
sounding but meaningless statistics such as: 40% less.
- Less than something that is 40% more of course ;-)

Roger R











Brian Gaff August 26th 09 07:21 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
Is not the efficiency only that the light output is variable in areas on led
backlights to mask the grey black problems of lcds?
I had a chat with someone the other day who did not like the new led
backlit screens as although the dynamics of black/white seemed better,
detail in black areas was sometimes missing as well. Of course this could
have been content or set up related, but as I can no longer see these things
myself, its interesting to hear peoples take on these things.

I was imagining a situation where a tennis ball went dim when it was
surrounded by a dark background in my mind!

Brian

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"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:53:47 +0100, "Roger R"
wrote:

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...

Less than what? Not less than a CRT I'll wager. How does their power
consumption compare with a CRT?


As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?


He's wrong anyway. My 14" CRT consumes more electricity than my 15"
LCD, and you seem to be saying that LED backlit LCDs are more
efficient again than my relatively ancient lamp backlit model!

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Dr Zoidberg[_5_] August 26th 09 08:58 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
"Roger R" wrote in message
...

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
Like computers, now is never a good time to buy a TV as there is always
a
better model available tomorrow.

TV's in the shops now have either LCD screens or Plasma (for larger
sizes
over 40), but there is a new type just coming out - LED.
LED models on display seemed to me to have exceptionally clear picture.
They are very slim at just over an inch, and use around 40% less
electricity.


Less than what? Not less than a CRT I'll wager. How does their power
consumption compare with a CRT?


As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?


Samsung did make a HD CRT for a while but discontinued it ages ago.

--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"


Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 26th 09 11:16 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Java Jive wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:30:45 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

Here are some objective figures in case it helps. My 46" LED/LCD TV consumes
about 70W when displaying typical pictures, about 45W with no input signal, and
3W in standby. How does that compare?


But what are we going to compare this with?

Compare it with the power consumption figures of other TV sets with
different display systems. Then we will know the actual quantitative truth
of the matter, not just the folklore and the advertising hype.

Rod.
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Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 26th 09 11:16 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Brian Gaff wrote:
Is not the efficiency only that the light output is variable in areas on led
backlights to mask the grey black problems of lcds?
I had a chat with someone the other day who did not like the new led
backlit screens as although the dynamics of black/white seemed better,
detail in black areas was sometimes missing as well. Of course this could
have been content or set up related, but as I can no longer see these things
myself, its interesting to hear peoples take on these things.


Digital bit-rate reduction reduces or removes detail where it is thought not to
matter, and this often shows as a reduction in detail in dark picture areas.
Maybe the dynamics of LED displays make dark detail more visible, so it becomes
more apparent when there isn't any?

As well as the digital processing performed by the broadcasters, modern TV
displays include a lot of "enhancement" features, most of which are switched on
by default, but do not always improve the picture. To compare like with like,
we should make sure two displays we are comparing are set up in the same way,
preferably with the gimmicks all switched off. It probably isn't very
meaningful to compare displays in a shop.

Rod.
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Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 26th 09 11:16 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Dr Zoidberg wrote:
As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?


Samsung did make a HD CRT for a while but discontinued it ages ago.


Most the HD displays at trade shows in the 1980s used CRTs, some of them about
40" as I recall. That seemed to me then, and still does, to be about the
smallest screen size where the extra detail would be worth the bother. The
boxes containing these CRTs were understandably huge, even the back-projected
ones, which probably explains why no serious attempt was made to flog the
system to the public until the availability of flat screens.

Rod.
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Adrian[_3_] August 26th 09 12:13 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
They don't say whose lifetime, it could be the kid's hamster.
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

Brian Gaff wrote:
I particularly liked the marketing term, Lifetime guarantee.
Brian




Dr Zoidberg[_5_] August 26th 09 01:06 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .myzen.co.uk...
In article , Dr Zoidberg wrote:
As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market
(AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?


Samsung did make a HD CRT for a while but discontinued it ages ago.


Most the HD displays at trade shows in the 1980s used CRTs, some of them
about
40" as I recall. That seemed to me then, and still does, to be about the
smallest screen size where the extra detail would be worth the bother. The
boxes containing these CRTs were understandably huge, even the
back-projected
ones, which probably explains why no serious attempt was made to flog the
system to the public until the availability of flat screens.


37" sets are probably worth going for full HD
32" probably aren't IMO
--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"


reslfj August 26th 09 02:16 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On 25 Aug., 17:45, "endymion" wrote:
My *TV has broken and I want to get a new one. *I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which *I am keen on *( Panasonic 37" screen) *, The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms *( for a girl) *so that
I know which I should get . *What is HD and do I need a set for this and why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


"HD Ready" is a Logo, it just looks like
English - i isnt. Take a look at this page:
http://www.eicta.org/index.php?id=731

You will have to match the TV set with the
kind of TV signal you are receiving. With
digital - unlike analogue - the signals received
from an aerial, a cable or from a satellite are
all very different.
If you are using an aerial you should know that
the UK will broadcast HD starting this December*,
but you MUST have a new dvb-T2 receiver.
This DVB-T2 receiver will arrive in volume
within the next 3-6 months.

You should also know that the full 1080p50 HD signal
is unlikely to be broadcast from any source. Even
BlueRay disk does not deliver the full framerate
- AFAIK.

Lars :)

* In all areas post-DSO + London and 4 other large
pre-DSO transmitters.

Dave Plowman (News) August 26th 09 02:46 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article en.co.uk,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
Most the HD displays at trade shows in the 1980s used CRTs, some of them
about 40" as I recall. That seemed to me then, and still does, to be
about the smallest screen size where the extra detail would be worth
the bother. The boxes containing these CRTs were understandably huge,
even the back-projected ones, which probably explains why no serious
attempt was made to flog the system to the public until the
availability of flat screens.


Even more likely was the enormous cost of the hardware needed to make HD
progs - unless film. Digital VTRs were in their infancy. It's only really
become practical with cheap processing power.

--
*Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

endymion August 26th 09 04:41 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:07 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:

My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl) so
that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this and
why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


Panasonic seem to use "Full HD" to mean that the screen has 1080 lines.
This is the standard number of lines in an HD picture. And "HD Ready"
means that the TV can display HD pictures but that it converts the
resolution from 1080 lines to 768 lines. This just means that an HD
picture is not as good as it would be on a Full HD set but is better
than a picture from an SD (standard definition) source.

Can you give some more information about the two TVs you are interested
in, model name or number, whatever?


Its a Pansonic TXL 37S10B

37" Full HD LCD Television with 50,000:1 Contrast and Intelligent Scene
Controller. Feature V-Audio Surround.
a.. Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha Panel
a.. 50,000:1 Contrast with Intelligent Scene Controller
a.. Smart Networking with VIERA Link
a.. VIERA Image Viewer (AVCHD/JPEG)
a.. V-Audio Surround
and it has a five year parts service and labour warrently on it for free or
as part of the deal if you prefer.

Since I have had a TV go wrong a little over a year after I bought it I am
keen to get something decent this time.




--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)



Peter Duncanson August 26th 09 05:21 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:41:51 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:


"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:07 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:

My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl) so
that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this and
why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


Panasonic seem to use "Full HD" to mean that the screen has 1080 lines.
This is the standard number of lines in an HD picture. And "HD Ready"
means that the TV can display HD pictures but that it converts the
resolution from 1080 lines to 768 lines. This just means that an HD
picture is not as good as it would be on a Full HD set but is better
than a picture from an SD (standard definition) source.

Can you give some more information about the two TVs you are interested
in, model name or number, whatever?


Its a Pansonic TXL 37S10B

37" Full HD LCD Television with 50,000:1 Contrast and Intelligent Scene
Controller. Feature V-Audio Surround.
a.. Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha Panel
a.. 50,000:1 Contrast with Intelligent Scene Controller
a.. Smart Networking with VIERA Link
a.. VIERA Image Viewer (AVCHD/JPEG)
a.. V-Audio Surround
and it has a five year parts service and labour warrently on it for free or
as part of the deal if you prefer.

Since I have had a TV go wrong a little over a year after I bought it I am
keen to get something decent this time.

I have no experience of this TV so I can't say anything for or against
its performance and quality. Perhaps someone else knows it.

The specification on the Panasonic UK website says that it has 1,920 x
1,080 resolution. It will show HD TV pictures in full detail.
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_G...123/index.html
or http://tinyurl.com/nfdh7w

There is a brief review at:
http://whathifi.com/Review/Panasonic-TX-L37S10/

They seem to like it.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Johnny B Good August 26th 09 07:52 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
The message
from "Roger R" contains these words:

====snip====

I thought idea with product promotion is to come up with significant
sounding but meaningless statistics such as: 40% less.
- Less than something that is 40% more of course ;-)


ITYM - Less than something that is 66.67% more of course ;-)

HTH

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Adrian[_3_] August 26th 09 07:55 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
endymion wrote:
"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:07 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:

My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to
move my old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the
sitting room. I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37"
screen) , The only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl)
so that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for
this and why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


Panasonic seem to use "Full HD" to mean that the screen has 1080
lines. This is the standard number of lines in an HD picture. And
"HD Ready" means that the TV can display HD pictures but that it
converts the resolution from 1080 lines to 768 lines. This just
means that an HD picture is not as good as it would be on a Full HD
set but is better than a picture from an SD (standard definition)
source. Can you give some more information about the two TVs you are
interested in, model name or number, whatever?


Its a Pansonic TXL 37S10B

37" Full HD LCD Television with 50,000:1 Contrast and Intelligent
Scene Controller. Feature V-Audio Surround.
a.. Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha Panel
a.. 50,000:1 Contrast with Intelligent Scene Controller
a.. Smart Networking with VIERA Link
a.. VIERA Image Viewer (AVCHD/JPEG)
a.. V-Audio Surround
and it has a five year parts service and labour warrently on it for
free or as part of the deal if you prefer.

Since I have had a TV go wrong a little over a year after I bought it
I am keen to get something decent this time.


If it went wrong that soon you are within your rights to claim for a
replacemet. The Citzens Advice Bureau could probably help you deal with the
supplier.
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Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 26th 09 08:01 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Java Jive
wrote:
But, as has already been pointed out up thread, there ain't no such
thing as a similar-sized, similar-spec CRT TV?


True, but I think its power consumption would compare favourably even
with that of a smaller CRT display, and there are of course LCD
displays with conventional fluorescent backlights.

Rod.
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Charlie Pearce August 26th 09 08:08 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:34:30 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:07 +0100, "endymion"
wrote:

My TV has broken and I want to get a new one. I have decided to move my
old 26" TV into the bedroom and get a new main TV for the sitting room.

I have seen two TV's which I am keen on ( Panasonic 37" screen) , The
only difference between them other than price is the HD.

One is HD ready, the other HD fully ready.
Can someone please explain this in very simple terms ( for a girl) so that
I know which I should get . What is HD and do I need a set for this and why
anyway? Are they going to change digital the HD or something?


Panasonic seem to use "Full HD" to mean that the screen has 1080 lines.
This is the standard number of lines in an HD picture. And "HD Ready"
means that the TV can display HD pictures but that it converts the
resolution from 1080 lines to 768 lines. This just means that an HD
picture is not as good as it would be on a Full HD set but is better
than a picture from an SD (standard definition) source.


Argos also seem to have their very own definition. According to page
1339 of their latest catalogue, "1080p HD uses twice as many pixels as
a HD Ready TV", and they have a diagram showing "HD Ready" as
1366x768, and "1080p HD Ready" as 1920x1080...

Charlie
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Charlie Pearce August 26th 09 08:09 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:53:47 +0100, "Roger R"
wrote:

I thought idea with product promotion is to come up with significant
sounding but meaningless statistics such as: 40% less.
- Less than something that is 40% more of course ;-)


Less than something that is 66.67% more, I think you'll find.

Charlie
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Andy Champ[_2_] August 26th 09 09:44 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
Adrian wrote:
They don't say whose lifetime, it could be the kid's hamster.


I think it's the lifetime of the TV. So it's guaranteed until it goes
wrong.

Andy

stephen August 27th 09 08:37 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:16:28 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

In article , Dr Zoidberg wrote:
As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market (AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?


Samsung did make a HD CRT for a while but discontinued it ages ago.


Most the HD displays at trade shows in the 1980s used CRTs, some of them about
40" as I recall. That seemed to me then, and still does, to be about the
smallest screen size where the extra detail would be worth the bother.


Try connecting an old VGA ony (480 lines) monitor to a PC and see what
a difference losing 50% of the lines in HD makes.

last time i tried this windows didnt like it even during the setup
process.....

Granted a computer screen is working with a different type of source
material.

And flat screens used in video production for editing now are often
2000 lines / 36" or so...

The
boxes containing these CRTs were understandably huge, even the back-projected
ones, which probably explains why no serious attempt was made to flog the
system to the public until the availability of flat screens.

Rod.

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Paulg0 August 28th 09 12:37 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 

"Stephen" wrote in message
...
In article , Dr Zoidberg wrote:
As there are no full HD cathode ray tube model TV's on the market
(AFAIK)
is
that a realistic comparison?


Samsung did make a HD CRT for a while but discontinued it ages ago.


That would have been this one then...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-WS32.../dp/B000FMRXPI

Paul



Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 28th 09 12:43 AM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Stephen wrote:
Most the HD displays at trade shows in the 1980s used CRTs, some of them about
40" as I recall. That seemed to me then, and still does, to be about the
smallest screen size where the extra detail would be worth the bother.


Try connecting an old VGA ony (480 lines) monitor to a PC and see what
a difference losing 50% of the lines in HD makes.

last time i tried this windows didnt like it even during the setup
process.....

Granted a computer screen is working with a different type of source
material.


Indeed. And typically it will be a great deal closer to the viewer.
In other words, it is a completely different situation.

Rod.
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Dave Plowman (News) August 28th 09 12:14 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article en.co.uk,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Stephen wrote:
Most the HD displays at trade shows in the 1980s used CRTs, some of
them about 40" as I recall. That seemed to me then, and still does,
to be about the smallest screen size where the extra detail would be
worth the bother.


Try connecting an old VGA ony (480 lines) monitor to a PC and see what
a difference losing 50% of the lines in HD makes.

last time i tried this windows didnt like it even during the setup
process.....

Granted a computer screen is working with a different type of source
material.


Indeed. And typically it will be a great deal closer to the viewer.
In other words, it is a completely different situation.


Is there a 'typical' viewing distance from a TV? I'd say it depends on the
room. So comments like 'HD isn't worthwhile on anything smaller than 45"
or whatever are meaningless.

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Roderick Stewart[_2_] August 28th 09 08:57 PM

HD TV advice ( beginner)
 
In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Granted a computer screen is working with a different type of source
material.


Indeed. And typically it will be a great deal closer to the viewer.
In other words, it is a completely different situation.


Is there a 'typical' viewing distance from a TV? I'd say it depends on the
room. So comments like 'HD isn't worthwhile on anything smaller than 45"
or whatever are meaningless.


A TV set of any sort is used for looking at moving pictures. Whatever the
screen size, I think most people would want to watch from a distance where
the whole picture can be seen at once without the need to keep moving one's
head, otherwise it would become tiring pretty quickly.

Rod.
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