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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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I think Sony is a particularly bad example to use. They have left a trail
of destruction and failure to release updates: 19 2k-only IDTVs, a 2k-only
STB, and 21 split-NIT-failing IDTVs. Sony have been extremely arrogant
with their attitude and not fixing the problems, pretending that the spec
changed when it did NOT (in the case of the Split NIT). They release
upgrades for 1-2 years max, then they drop support for your model like a
stone and hide behind pathetic excuses.

What you describe is less than consumers would expect of Sony's reputation.
They can only get away with such indifference for only so long before their
brand becomes badly damaged.

Sony now offers a 3 yr guarantee (only) on its Bravia model television sets.

Sony's 1 yr standard guarantee compared to Lidl's 3 yrs on comparable
products speaks volumes about the confidence Sony has in its products.

But then Sony has to use its resources to prop up its independent dealer
network at the expense of providing a decent support service for those who
buy elsewhere.

Roger R

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Mike Henry wrote:
In , "Roger R"
wrote:


"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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I think Sony is a particularly bad example to use. They have left a
trail of destruction and failure to release updates: 19 2k-only
IDTVs, a 2k-only STB, and 21 split-NIT-failing IDTVs. Sony have
been extremely arrogant with their attitude and not fixing the
problems, pretending that the spec changed when it did NOT (in the
case of the Split NIT). They release upgrades for 1-2 years max,
then they drop support for your model like a stone and hide behind
pathetic excuses.

What you describe is less than consumers would expect of Sony's
reputation. They can only get away with such indifference for only
so long before their brand becomes badly damaged.

Their brand is toast in this household, doubly so after their
behaviour in the period following the "root kit" scandal.

I have three Sony CRT sets, their replacements will definately not be Sony.
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In message , Adrian
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I have three Sony CRT sets, their replacements will definately not be Sony.

I'm not impressed by the two Sony products that I own. These days I'm
sure they are trading on their trade name only without having the
quality products to back it up. The name seems to be tied into premium
prices - although the Blu-ray player that I purchased was very heavily
discounted.

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Chris Hogg wrote:

I too am a little confused. I have a Humax 9200T, but it seems to be
working OK, despite our having gone through DSO this summer. But we
receive from a local booster transmitter (Praa Sands in west Cornwall,
a satellite to Redruth) which didn't transmit any digital signals
before DSO, either 2k or 8k. Can I assume that it's now transmitting
only 8k and that the mixed 2k/8k environment problem is actually a
non-problem as far as I'm concerned, or is there potential 8k trouble
in the offing (eg at the end of September or when DVB-T2 comes along)?

You're OK, because Praa Sands is (and will only be) transmitting three PSB
muxes, all of which are at 8k.

However there's still a third stage of DSO to happen at Redruth, where
currently the three PSB muxes are at 8k, but the three COMs are still running
at low power and 2k. It's not until Sept 30th when Redruth goes 8k on all six
muxes.

Don't forget though that in the South West PSB 3 converts to DVB-T2 early next
year, for the launch of HD services, and *all* existing receivers will lose
the ability to receive the mux.


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Mark Carver wrote:

Don't forget though that in the South West PSB 3 converts to DVB-T2
early next year, for the launch of HD services, and *all* existing
receivers will lose the ability to receive the mux.

I thought it was PSB2 that was going to carry DVB-T2, I must have got it
wrong.
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Adrian wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Don't forget though that in the South West PSB 3 converts to DVB-T2
early next year, for the launch of HD services, and *all* existing
receivers will lose the ability to receive the mux.

I thought it was PSB2 that was going to carry DVB-T2, I must have got it
wrong.

Well, I've always gone by:-

PSB 1 being the post DSO version of Mux 1 (BBC 1/2/3 News 24)
PSB 2 being the post DSO version of Mux 2 (ITV/C4 etc)
PSB 3 being the post DSO version of Mux B (BBC 4, Parly, BBCi etc)

But perhaps 2 and 3 are the other way round ?

Anyway for the avoidance of doubt, it's the post DSO version of Mux B
that is converting to T2.

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:44:20 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

PSB 1 being the post DSO version of Mux 1 (BBC 1/2/3 News 24)
PSB 2 being the post DSO version of Mux 2 (ITV/C4 etc)
PSB 3 being the post DSO version of Mux B (BBC 4, Parly, BBCi etc)

I agree ...

Pre DSO: Mux1 Mux 2 Mux A Mux B Mux C Mux D
Post DSO: PSB1 PSB2 COMA PSB3 COMB COMC
Or: BBC A D3&4 SDN BBC B Arq A Arq B

But perhaps 2 and 3 are the other way round ?

I don't think so.

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Mike Henry wrote:
In , Tony
wrote:

Yes, it is fairly typical as there is so much tat out there. Sticking
with a decent brand like Sony should reduce the chances of problems, but
its not unheard of them having problems too. I would not expect
problems with a new Sony, but mine has had at least 1 problem in 6mths
that I had to resolve with a full reset (the AV1 logo would not go away
when I was using an external source).

The standards are very complex with loads of options, its impossible to
test for all options.

Nevertheless, there's no excuses for not *implementing* whole chunks of a
published standard just because the *current broadcasts* aren't using it.
None whatsoever. Testing is a different matter.


It is an excuse and a well used one. Yes one software company I know
used a 'current transmission' methodology for implementation in the
past, but pretty much everyone is limited to current transmission test
methodology, in order to confirm their interpretation of the standards.

I agree its bad either way but the problem is the over complex
standards, not the (decent) companies implementing it.

Then you have broadcasters changing what parts of
the standard they are using and then you have them changing things mfrs
thought where standards (Eg D-Book), and then you have them introducing
new ones (EG DVB-T2) when we havn't even fully changed to the
intermediate ones yet.

The best thing about a high end brand is that they will support the
product better and you should get any problems resolved with an OAD at
some point.

I think Sony is a particularly bad example to use. They have left a trail
of destruction and failure to release updates: 19 2k-only IDTVs, a 2k-only
STB, and 21 split-NIT-failing IDTVs. Sony have been extremely arrogant
with their attitude and not fixing the problems, pretending that the spec
changed when it did NOT (in the case of the Split NIT). They release
upgrades for 1-2 years max, then they drop support for your model like a
stone and hide behind pathetic excuses.

Meanwhile as Mark Carver wrote yesterday - "it's worth noting that the
1998 designed On Digital boxes are split NIT compliant, so there's no
excuse for anyone else's not to be."


I was surprised to see alot of Sony's in the DSO non-compliance list,
but there are plenty of Panys too, really its just a list of honest
manufacturers! Do you see any Nikai or Digihome in there? They must be
fantastic.

I had a CRT before and swear by it on picture quality, particularly RGB.
The split NIT thing did put the cat amoungst the pigeons, and yes
legally the mfrs are responsible, however I still 100% blame the
broadcasters for the standard complexity, also the body (can't remember
who) that decided to change to split NITs and knowingly kill loads of
receivers. And there is no need for split NITs they are mostly
meaningless, noone is using all this extra information, and they keep
changing the format of it every few years, if they did us it the boxes
would stop working!!! Its a complete joke.

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Chris Hogg wrote:

OK, thanks. So it's yet another re-tune next year then!

Get used to them, like correspondence from the Inland Revenue, they look like
becoming a part of life.


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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:02:12 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:27:34 +0100, "John"
wrote:


"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in
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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:47:57 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg"
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"David Butler" wrote in message
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I have a number of set top boxes - none of them entirely satisfactory.

Two often crash when changing channels, another has lip synch issues
after
being on for a few minutes and another has a mind of its own - deciding
to
completely trip out to standby whenever it feels like it.

My question is this. Do integrated digital TV's have similar issues or
is
it just (older) set top boxes?


Are they cheap tat by any chance?
I've had a Nokia and Sagem boxes that never gave any trouble , and since
then two Humax PVRs that probably crash once a year if that.

My experience is similar (with boxes of different makes).

I've noticed in the last couple of days that there could be trouble
ahead with my Humax 9200T PVR.


snip

It's 2011 when my region switches so I'm not too concerned by potential
problems for my 9200T.
I've had plenty of use from it so far and will possibly have upgraded by
then.
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I share your concerns - If I buy a TV with an integrated digital tuner - is
the tuner the weak link? Is it a replaceable £20 module -or are we looking
at replacing the TV?

The worst you are looking at is buying a Set Top Box (an external tuner)
just the same as you would buy for a TV without an integrated tuner.

Not necessarily. I had a Philips IDTV crash completely and often when
watching analogue TV. I assume it was due to poor freeview signal but
I can't be sure.

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