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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:



Does it work flawlessly even in areas with no DAB signal? It must be a
special receiver.



Either that or he has a multiplex broadcasting from his boot. ;-)

Richard E.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
But you give the impression FM is always perfect - which it most
certainly isn't.


I don't say that. Please stop putting words into my mouth,
because
you
seem to do this in every post.


Perhaps your 'golden ears' simply don't hear the problems
with that - or more likely your soapbox causes you to ignore
them.


I get very good FM reception quality here. I do apologise for my
FM
reception quality being so good, and I'll look to install an
attenuator to bring it down to your level ASAP.

And can't accept that others may get better reception from DAB.


More words being put into my mouth. Are you able to do anything
other
than this, Plowman?

Have you forgotten what you used to call yourself? FM sounds better
than
DAB? No need to 'put words in your mouth' there, is there?


FM does sound better than DAB, so WTF is your point?


BTW - there's rather more to good FM reception than just signal
level. I'm
surprised you didn't know this . Being such an expert on it.


That's more words you've put into my mouth, because I never said
that
there isn't more to FM reception than just signal strength.

Jesus H. Then explain your 'attenuator' comment. That would suggest
to any
with a rudimentary knowledge that you'd never heard of multipath
reception
or other FM ills.


But I don't get multipath reception. That's famously terrible where
you live though, isn't it David, and that's why you have an
obsessional hatred of FM.


I'm quite happy to leave it to the individual to decide if the
things they
listen to sound better *to them* on FM or DAB.


No you're not. You stick your oar in on DAB-related threads just
as
much as I do.

Complete ********. You turn up whenever DAB is mentioned on any
newsgroup
I read - and only then. You're obsessed.


Considering that I haven't been posting as much over the last few
months, with the exception of when the Digital Britain report came
out, you're clearly talking complete nonsense (as per usual).

Oh you've changed your spots, then?


I don't post anywhere near as much as I used to.



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Zimmy wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

Fourthly, how would you plug a DAB adaptor into a hi-fi system or other
piece of audio equipment with an FM tuner that doesn't have an audio
input?

Plug the DAB adaptor into an FM adaptor? :-)

IS that the name you use for one of those low power FM transmitters?

Richard E.

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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

No, I know a lot about the subjects you mention because I spent 6 years
full time at university studying engineering.

He did half an OU degree and then dropped out.
That's all we've seen any evidence of anyway.

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"Christopher Hunter" wrote in
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:01:15 +0100, Richard Evans wrote:

A neighbour recently complained of "background noises" on his £250
Pioneer tuner. A quick listen showed that he was suffering from the
over-
modulated "ethnic" pirate that was 600 kHz away from the Radio 4 he
was
trying to hear. I put this tuner on the bench, and had a look at
its
selectivity. It was truly horrible. The IF filtering was done with
just
one cheap ceramic filter, so the acceptance bandwidth was close to
500
kHz. Modification to the IF strip resolved the problem, but it's
poorly
designed, over-priced rubbish like that which will kill Band II.


Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Thought so. You spent your life working with
analogue radio, and you may well have a good understanding of that.
But because you have this knowledge of analogue you think that it
means you understand digital, when in reality there's very, very
little crossover between analogue and digital communications. For
example, understanding analogue communications doesn't give you the
first clue about error correction coding or how OFDM works.

You're an analogue man in a digital world.


You also have to remember how the majority of listening is done.
Most
stations are just used as background noise - the vast majority of
"listeners" don't actually listen. The radio is there while they're
doing something else - vacuum cleaning, washing-up, driving, or
whatever.

It's a vanishingly small minority who're actually in a position to
assess
the relative quality of FM and DAB.


Uh?


In the vast majority of cases, the
"Pure" portable that people use sounds /much/ better than the cheap
crap
FM receiver they used before, so the /perceived/ results are better
from
DAB.


Idiotically ridiculous.


Back in my days with a Big Broadcasting Concern,


Hooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A BBC incompetent has arrived on the NG!!! Fantastic.




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internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
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"Christopher Hunter" wrote in
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:45:06 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:

On 18 Aug 2009 09:30:42 GMT
Christopher Hunter wrote:
Pioneer tuner. A quick listen showed that he was suffering from
the
over- modulated "ethnic" pirate that was 600 kHz away from the
Radio 4
he was trying to hear. I put this tuner on the bench, and had a
look at
its selectivity. It was truly horrible. The IF filtering was
done with
just one cheap ceramic filter, so the acceptance bandwidth was
close to
500 kHz. Modification to the IF strip resolved the problem, but
it's
poorly designed, over-priced rubbish like that which will kill
Band II.

Having been a radio listener in pirate radio splattered London for
a
good part of my life I can assure you that I've yet to come across
any
consumer FM radio - be it kitchen radio, hi-fi tuner or car
jobbie -
that
would not be affected by a station 0.6 Mhz away from the one it was
tuned to.

I live at a very high point in North London so field strengths are
high,
and my reasonable quality domestic "hi-fi" tuner (a NAD) with an
outdoor
J-pole aerial has no difficulty whatsoever in separating stations
300 kHz
apart.

In fact pirate radio was the reason I bought some DAB kit though
pirate
activity doesn't seem to be affecting the stations I listen to so
much
now so I've gone back to FM (plus my not so great Sony DAB portable
broke after 18 months anyway).

It's still there - I can hear (roughly) 20 unlicensed stations up
here.

Luckily pirate radio on DAB is pretty
unlikely because they'd either have to trash an entire multiplex to
get
their signal out in which case they'd be off air in no time, or
they'd
have to pick an unused DAB channel and hope all their retarded 15
year
old listeners could figure out how to retune a DAB set.

There are two pirate multiplexes that have sprung up in France, so
it's
probably going to happen here soon enough. The technology is
actually
quite simple.


You just make things up. There are no pirate digital radio multiplexes
ANYWHERE ON EARTH. You're a liar. If you dispute this, provide a shred
of evidence to back up what you say. We would very likely know about
it on here if such a pirate digital multiplex emerged, and I guarantee
that you wouldn't know before we did here, and you've only just
started posting here.

You're a LIAR - what a ****ing coincidence that you used to work at
the BBC!!




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"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

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"Christopher Hunter" wrote in
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:22:00 -0700, 2Bdecided wrote:

...but there are varying degrees of "badness" and annoyance. It
depends
on the individual station, but with reasonable reception, lots of
FM
stations are quite acceptable, while the situation on DAB is
somewhat
worse, the situation on the internet is somewhat better, but the
situation on some of the other supposedly higher bitrate platforms
(DTT
and Dsat) is very variable.

The damn problem I have with "Internet Radio" is that it's seldom
convenient to try to use a computer in the car, in rooms other than
my
office or in the garden.


The Idiot isn't even aware of Wi-Fi Internet radios. What a moron.


Also, the vast majority of "Internet Radio
Stations" are seriously bit-rate limited - bandwidth costs money!


The Idiot's "knowledge" of Internet radio is about 5 years out of
date. What a fool.



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www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

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"Christopher Hunter" wrote in
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:12:05 -0700, 2Bdecided wrote:

http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=internet+radio

...not a computer in sight!

I'm heading down this route now that I'm in a place which lacks FM
and
DAB, but it's not without pitfalls.

Fine, but it still demands an interweb connection of some sort -
either
wireless or wired, and my connection's a bit iffy in the car...


Idiot.



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internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

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"jamie powell" wrote in message

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

No, I know a lot about the subjects you mention because I spent 6
years
full time at university studying engineering.

He did half an OU degree and then dropped out.
That's all we've seen any evidence of anyway.


Just because I haven't and never intend to show you my degree
certificates doesn't mean I don't have them, Jimmy.



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"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

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Christopher Hunter wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:22:00 -0700, 2Bdecided wrote:

I think you're being a bit selective - the "much vaunted" £25 DAB radios
are junk too. The amplifier and speaker probably costs the same as in
the £3 FM radio.

I made no mention of the "£25 DAB radio", though I paid about that for
the two Pure boxes I've got here.

Radio 4 FM on an old Roberts radio and Radio 4 DAB on an Evoke-1 don't
sound that dissimilar, if the reception is OK on both...

Agreed, though the DAB will not suffer from the over-modulated pirate
next door.

...and on a really good hi-fi, the majority of stations on all platforms
are quite unlistenable - as are many modern CDs...

Again, mostly agreed. The processing used on FM is usually horrible (and
clipping ALWAYS adds distortion), but often, those same stations on DAB
have less aggressive processing, so are slightly easier on the ear.

The problem with DAB is that the treble sounds horrible. Sometimes it
sounds like an old cassette tape that has been played just a few times
too many, fluttering as the encoder has difficulty coding the treble.
The 'stereo' is very bad as it is made up by the receiver out of the
very limited 'side' information available.
The bass however usually sounds better on DAB as it is not processed to
bits like on FM.

gr, hwh