Echostar T-101
 

Echostar have finally redeemed themselves in my eyes.

After both my T-101 Freeview boxes were rendered virtually useless last year
when the NIT split, I gave up waiting for them to do anything useful and
emailed them chasing things up. They asked me to send them back to them at
my expense, but sent them back fully working within three days at their
expense.

Whilst this should never have been necessary they are far more customer
focused than Humax, who are still ignoring the problems I am having with my
integrated TV!

Echostar T-101
 

"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk...
Echostar have finally redeemed themselves in my eyes.

After both my T-101 Freeview boxes were rendered virtually useless last
year
when the NIT split, I gave up waiting for them to do anything useful and
emailed them chasing things up. They asked me to send them back to them at
my expense, but sent them back fully working within three days at their
expense.

Whilst this should never have been necessary they are far more customer
focused than Humax, who are still ignoring the problems I am having with
my
integrated TV!


Humax sell a TV?..

My t-101's are still dead.. They told me in like Feb that they are waiting
for a firmware broadcast slot to open so they can update everyone.........
Guess I will need to mail them back if I dont want dud boxes.

Echostar T-101
 

"mr deo" wrote in message
om...

"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk...
Echostar have finally redeemed themselves in my eyes.

After both my T-101 Freeview boxes were rendered virtually useless last
year
when the NIT split, I gave up waiting for them to do anything useful and
emailed them chasing things up. They asked me to send them back to them
at
my expense, but sent them back fully working within three days at their
expense.

Whilst this should never have been necessary they are far more customer
focused than Humax, who are still ignoring the problems I am having with
my
integrated TV!


Humax sell a TV?..

Yes, but don't buy one.


My t-101's are still dead.. They told me in like Feb that they are waiting
for a firmware broadcast slot to open so they can update everyone.........
Guess I will need to mail them back if I dont want dud boxes.

They still don't have a date for the update. I dealt with Gary Townson -
obvious email address!

Echostar T-101
 

mr deo wrote:

My t-101's are still dead.. They told me in like Feb that they are waiting
for a firmware broadcast slot to open so they can update everyone.........

How do they expect that to work, if you can't tune in to any service
with it ?


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

http://www.paras.org.uk/

Echostar T-101
 

In article ,
mr deo wrote:
Whilst this should never have been necessary they are far more
customer focused than Humax, who are still ignoring the problems I am
having with my integrated TV!

Humax sell a TV?..

Yes - I have one in the kitchen. At the time I bought it, it was one of
the few in the size I needed. It's a good set.

--
* What do they call a coffee break at the Lipton Tea Company? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Echostar T-101
 

In article ,
Doctor D wrote:
Humax sell a TV?..

Yes, but don't buy one.

Why? Mine's very good and has given no problems.

--
*Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Echostar T-101
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor D wrote:
Humax sell a TV?..

Yes, but don't buy one.

Why? Mine's very good and has given no problems.


I'll second that, mine's even got DAB built in, along with decent speakers.

--
*Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Echostar T-101
 

A lot of the off air stuff needs to be paid for and they are at the mercy of
the third party channel operators of course, whereas if they get the boxes
back they can sort them in minutes I imagine. Its a pity nobody puts a way
to connect these boxes to a computer so you could update the software from
the companys web sites.

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"mr deo" wrote in message
om...

"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk...
Echostar have finally redeemed themselves in my eyes.

After both my T-101 Freeview boxes were rendered virtually useless last
year
when the NIT split, I gave up waiting for them to do anything useful and
emailed them chasing things up. They asked me to send them back to them
at
my expense, but sent them back fully working within three days at their
expense.

Whilst this should never have been necessary they are far more customer
focused than Humax, who are still ignoring the problems I am having with
my
integrated TV!


Humax sell a TV?..

My t-101's are still dead.. They told me in like Feb that they are waiting
for a firmware broadcast slot to open so they can update everyone.........
Guess I will need to mail them back if I dont want dud boxes.

Echostar T-101
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor D wrote:
Humax sell a TV?..

Yes, but don't buy one.

Why? Mine's very good and has given no problems.


Perhaps the copy of the note to Humax below will explain.

They haven't responded to three emails, a letter and a fax over an 8 month
period:

"I bought a Humax LGB - 17 DTTV in October 2006.

When we first starting using the TV, it would often "hang" when switching on
if left in DTTV mode. Analogue has never given a problem. After a few weeks
the problem got better, although occasionally I still had to unplug the set
and enable it to re-boot before DTTV could be used.

In the past few weeks the problem has returned, and now after switching from
standby, I have to unplug it about 50% of the time and wait for it to go
through the "loading" screens before DTTV will work.

The TV is used on the Sutton Coldfield transmitter, signal strength averages
100% and signal quality about 87%. I don't unplug it at night as I
understand software updates are sometimes provided.

I would be grateful for any thoughts or comments you could give on solving
this problem please? It's spoiling what is otherwise an excellent product."

I also bought it because at the time it was one of the few digital LCD
sets - I'm now considering binning it and getting another Panny.

Echostar T-101
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
mr deo wrote:

My t-101's are still dead.. They told me in like Feb that they are
waiting
for a firmware broadcast slot to open so they can update
everyone.........

How do they expect that to work, if you can't tune in to any service with
it ?

Quite.

You can tune it in, but it puts all the channels in odd places where no-one
can ever find them again!
As soon as this happened we stopped using them as it was just too
irritating.

Echostar T-101
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
mr deo wrote:

My t-101's are still dead.. They told me in like Feb that they are
waiting
for a firmware broadcast slot to open so they can update
everyone.........

How do they expect that to work, if you can't tune in to any service
with it ?


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

http://www.paras.org.uk/


The problem with these boxes is just that it's unable to use the data
provided to put the video and audio streams to the correct station
assigments (in fact, some recent changes has seen e4+1 picking up a
different audio feed)..
All you would need to do is tune to a station that's broadcast from the
proper mux and you should get the update.

Echostar T-101
 

In message , Brian Gaff
wrote
A lot of the off air stuff needs to be paid for and they are at the mercy of
the third party channel operators of course, whereas if they get the boxes
back they can sort them in minutes I imagine. Its a pity nobody puts a way
to connect these boxes to a computer so you could update the software from
the companys web sites.


Some boxes allow this - but then the firmware on the company's web site
may not be the best one to install :(
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

Echostar T-101
 

"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk...

Humax sell a TV?..

Yes, but don't buy one.

Dreadful.

Bill

Echostar T-101
 

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

"Doctor D" wrote in message
o.uk...

Humax sell a TV?..

Yes, but don't buy one.

Dreadful.

Interesting. I bought mine because of the 'good' name and that it was
available in the size I wanted - 24". It wasn't cheap.
It's normally used as a monitor being fed from the Toppy next door so I
can wander from living room to kitchen while cooking etc without the sound
delays you get from separate FreeView tuners. But when I use it as an
ordinary FreeView set it's fine too. Picture is as good as any LCD I've
seen. Don't use the internal speakers. Only real niggle is it doesn't have
a fixed audio line out on phonos - you have to use the headphone socket.
But the quality from that is ok.

Bill

--
*Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Echostar T-101
 

We have dealt with hundreds of Humax TVs. (They have now stopped
making them)
The trouble was that there was little continuity. The good models were
superb with excellent sound and a picture with fewer digital artefacts
and fuzz than almost any other. Some of the 26" and 32" models were
incredibly solid and well put together. My own set is a 32" single
tuner with integrated PVR. The 40" had better sound than any other TV
I have ever heard, and a decent picture and built-in hard drive but
awful, unreliable and often unusable software.. The older bad models
had less than good picturers, were quirky and generally odd but
excellently built!!
The more recent 19" and 22" sets with the seperate speaker under the
screen generally gave better results than most other makes and some
had integrated DAB radio or a plug-in mini hard drive which also
worked well. Like most smaller screen sets, the vertical viewing angle
was not good but the same basic model without the larger speaker had
painfully awful sound with no bass whatsoever.

We have found Humax service to be very good and guarantee service to
be very eficient. USUALLY!

But its all just personal opinion.......!

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs and they seem to work very
well, especially for older people who appreciate the all-in-one
arrangement with one handset.

Echostar T-101
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
...

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs



The model number of my Humax TV is LGB-22DZT... I wonder what the 'LG' bit
stands for.. It's difficult to tell who makes what nowadays i.e. on the
rear display area of a JVC flat screen TV I have, the name 'Samsung' is
prominently stamped in a couple of places.

Echostar T-101
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
...

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs



The model number of my Humax TV is LGB-22DZT... I wonder what the 'LG' bit
stands for.. It's difficult to tell who makes what nowadays i.e. on the
rear display area of a JVC flat screen TV I have, the name 'Samsung' is
prominently stamped in a couple of places.

Echostar T-101
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
...

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs



The model number of my Humax TV is LGB-22DZT... I wonder what the 'LG' bit
stands for.. It's difficult to tell who makes what nowadays i.e. on the
rear display area of a JVC flat screen TV I have, the name 'Samsung' is
prominently stamped in a couple of places.

Echostar T-101
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
...

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs



The model number of my Humax TV is LGB-22DZT... I wonder what the 'LG' bit
stands for.. It's difficult to tell who makes what nowadays i.e. on the
rear display area of a JVC flat screen TV I have, the name 'Samsung' is
prominently stamped in a couple of places.

Echostar T-101
 

"widgitt" wrote in message
...

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs



The model number of my Humax TV is LGB-22DZT... I wonder what the 'LG' bit
stands for.. It's difficult to tell who makes what nowadays i.e. on the
rear display area of a JVC flat screen TV I have, the name 'Samsung' is
prominently stamped in a couple of places.

Eternal September having troubles?
 

"Ivan" wrote in message
...

"widgitt" wrote in message
...

Interestingly, JVC now make two models (32" and 26") which have
integrated PVR hard drives and almost exactly the same menus and
operating system as the Humax Freeview PVRs



The model number of my Humax TV is LGB-22DZT... I wonder what the 'LG'
bit stands for.. It's difficult to tell who makes what nowadays i.e. on
the rear display area of a JVC flat screen TV I have, the name 'Samsung'
is prominently stamped in a couple of places.

Outlook express tells me there are syntax problems in the configuration and
my post can't be sent, with my message still remaining in the outbox, I
check the thread only to find that not only has it been sent, it has
appeared four times!. They also weren't working for several hours
yesterday, anyone else experiencing similar problems?

Eternal September having troubles?
 

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In , "Ivan"
wrote:

Outlook express tells me there are syntax problems in the configuration
and
my post can't be sent, with my message still remaining in the outbox, I
check the thread only to find that not only has it been sent, it has
appeared four times!. They also weren't working for several hours
yesterday, anyone else experiencing similar problems?

Falsely telling the user that a post wasn't sent (when sometimes it
actually was) is a known bug in Outlook express going back many years that
MS just don't care about fixing.


It still doing it despite me completely removing the account and
reinstalling it, I've never experienced any trouble at all until yesterday
here's the message box I receive when I post..

"Windows Mail could not post your message. Subject ' Rogues photos',
Account: 'news.eternal-september.org', Server: 'news.eternal-september.org',
Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: 'DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an
error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL
server version for the right syntax to use near ' AND
`ErrorCode` = 0' at line 1 at /etc/news/filter/filter_nnrpd.pl line 915.',
Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9"..

Any clues please anyone?

Eternal September having troubles?
 

On 2009-07-24, Ivan wrote:

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In , "Ivan"
wrote:

Outlook express tells me there are syntax problems in the configuration
and
my post can't be sent, with my message still remaining in the outbox, I
check the thread only to find that not only has it been sent, it has
appeared four times!. They also weren't working for several hours
yesterday, anyone else experiencing similar problems?

Falsely telling the user that a post wasn't sent (when sometimes it
actually was) is a known bug in Outlook express going back many years that
MS just don't care about fixing.


It still doing it despite me completely removing the account and
reinstalling it, I've never experienced any trouble at all until yesterday
here's the message box I receive when I post..

"Windows Mail could not post your message. Subject ' Rogues photos',
Account: 'news.eternal-september.org', Server: 'news.eternal-september.org',
Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: 'DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an
error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL
server version for the right syntax to use near ' AND
`ErrorCode` = 0' at line 1 at /etc/news/filter/filter_nnrpd.pl line 915.',
Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9"..

Any clues please anyone?

You have a single quote ' character in your email address. It is not
outlook that is complaining, but news.eternal-september.org. It is running
a perl script that is accessing a MySQL server and performing an SQL query
involving your email address without escaping special characters (despite
the inbuilt features of the Perl DBD module designed to avoid this very
problem). As a result it chokes and sends Outlook the error message, which
fails to understand it and reports an error. However this is clearly
either happening after the message is posted, or is being ignored by the
server.

If you wish to be able to post through that server right now, I suggest
you remove the quotes from your email address and try again.

However, this means that the news server is almost certainly vulnerable to
an SQL injection attack. So, if you wish to be able to post through that
server in the future, I suggest you email their support somewhat urgently
and inform them that their service is highly insecure, before someone does
something unpleasant to their server (e.g., deleting their database,
stealing the usernames/passwords from their database, or potentially worse).

--
David Taylor

Eternal September having troubles?
 

"David Taylor" wrote in message
...
On 2009-07-24, Ivan wrote:


If you wish to be able to post through that server right now, I suggest
you remove the quotes from your email address and try again.

However, this means that the news server is almost certainly vulnerable to
an SQL injection attack. So, if you wish to be able to post through that
server in the future, I suggest you email their support somewhat urgently
and inform them that their service is highly insecure, before someone does
something unpleasant to their server (e.g., deleting their database,
stealing the usernames/passwords from their database, or potentially
worse).



Many thanks, this has happened since 'eternal-september' superseded
'motzarella', they do appear to have a number of support NGs so I will ask
there.
I also have a Virgin/Blueyonder newsreader, the problem with that however is
that they include posters IP address in the properties, which I don't happen
to think is exactly a good idea, is there any good reason 'why' they insist
on doing this, when hardly any other provider does?

Eternal September having troubles?
 

Thank you David that did cure the problem and as you suggested I also wrote
to eternal-september support who were very helpful and prompt, below is a
copy of their reply.
|
"David Taylor" wrote in message
...
On 2009-07-24, Ivan wrote:

It still doing it despite me completely removing the account and
reinstalling it, I've never experienced any trouble at all until
yesterday
here's the message box I receive when I post..

"Windows Mail could not post your message. Subject ' Rogues photos',
Account: 'news.eternal-september.org', Server:
'news.eternal-september.org',
Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: 'DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have
an
error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL
server version for the right syntax to use near ' AND
`ErrorCode` = 0' at line 1 at /etc/news/filter/filter_nnrpd.pl line
915.',
Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9"..

Any clues please anyone?

You have a single quote ' character in your email address. It is not
outlook that is complaining, but news.eternal-september.org. It is
running
a perl script that is accessing a MySQL server and performing an SQL query
involving your email address without escaping special characters (despite
the inbuilt features of the Perl DBD module designed to avoid this very
problem). As a result it chokes and sends Outlook the error message,
which
fails to understand it and reports an error. However this is clearly
either happening after the message is posted, or is being ignored by the
server.

If you wish to be able to post through that server right now, I suggest
you remove the quotes from your email address and try again.

However, this means that the news server is almost certainly vulnerable to
an SQL injection attack. So, if you wish to be able to post through that
server in the future, I suggest you email their support somewhat urgently
and inform them that their service is highly insecure, before someone does
something unpleasant to their server (e.g., deleting their database,
stealing the usernames/passwords from their database, or potentially
worse).

|
"Ray Banana" wrote in message
...
"Windows Mail could not post your message. Subject ' Rogues photos',
Account: 'news.eternal-september.org', Server:
'news.eternal-september.org',
Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: 'DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have
an
error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL
server version for the right syntax to use near ' AND
`ErrorCode` = 0' at line 1 at /etc/news/filter/filter_nnrpd.pl line
915.',
Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9"..

Thanks for the heads-up. Will check what's gone wrong.

"You have a single quote ' character in your email address. It is not
outlook that is complaining, but news.eternal-september.org. It is
running
a perl script that is accessing a MySQL server and performing an SQL
query
involving your email address without escaping special characters (despite
the inbuilt features of the Perl DBD module designed to avoid this very
problem). As a result it chokes and sends Outlook the error message,
which
fails to understand it and reports an error. However this is clearly
either happening after the message is posted, or is being ignored by the
server.
If you wish to be able to post through that server right now, I suggest
you remove the quotes from your email address and try again.

Very concise and thorough error analysis.

However, this means that the news server is almost certainly vulnerable
to
an SQL injection attack. So, if you wish to be able to post through that
server in the future, I suggest you email their support somewhat urgently
and inform them that their service is highly insecure, before someone
does
something unpleasant to their server (e.g., deleting their database,
stealing the usernames/passwords from their database, or potentially
worse)."

But now s/he seems to be overwhelmed by their own competence. The only
thing you can possibly abuse this bug for is to receive syntax errors
from the database, which is bad enough, but there is certainly no way
you could execute any SQL statements on the database other than the ones
that are contained in the Perl filter. Before the script is called, the
From: header is checked for a valid internet mail address by the news
server, the script then parses the header for a valid mail address and
extracts it.
So there is no way to put SQL statements in your From: header
without either the server or the script rejecting your post because of
an invalid syntax in your mail address. Besides, the database user used
by the script only has SELECT, INSERT and UPDATE privileges for some
tables in the database, it can not drop databases or tables or delete
information from the tables.

Usernames/passwords are of course not cotained in the database,
authentication data resides in a separate LDAP server.
The MySQL database is only used for persistent information on the number
of different mail addresses used by each user, the M-IDs of their
articles, in case they want to cancel any of them and the number of
connects per day.

--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.
http://www.eternal-september.org

Eternal September having troubles?
 

On 2009-07-24, Ivan wrote:



Thank you David that did cure the problem and as you suggested I also wrote
to eternal-september support who were very helpful and prompt, below is a
copy of their reply.
[snip]

They may well be correct. However, SQL injection attacks can and do lead to comprimised machines,
depending on the circumstances.

--
David Taylor

Eternal September having troubles?
 

"David Taylor" wrote in message
...
On 2009-07-24, Ivan wrote:



Thank you David that did cure the problem and as you suggested I also
wrote
to eternal-september support who were very helpful and prompt, below is a
copy of their reply.
[snip]

They may well be correct. However, SQL injection attacks can and do lead
to comprimised machines,
depending on the circumstances.


|

AKA Ivan (only the names have been changed, to protect the innocent:)

Thus spake "Jimmy Dripper"

Thanks Ray for your very prompt response, 'tis all above my head I'm
afraid, that's why I asked on the NG after the problem occurred and
was at least pointed in the right direction with the suggestion to
remove the 'quote thingies' and contact support, I will post your
response and await the answer with interest.

I just deployed a temporary fix for the quote problem ( wrong variable
used in SELECT statement), but will do a complete review of the filter
script, just to be on the save side. A quick check of the logs shows
that you seem to gave been the only one who triggered this bug, but it
started already on July 1, the date of the server transition, so I
have to check out all the scripts from version control system , as the
new servers don't seem have the same software versions as the old
Motzarella servers :-(

--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.
http://www.eternal-september.org

Eternal September having troubles?
 

David Taylor wrote..


You have a single quote ' character in your email address.

The ' is not handled gracefully on the web in general.

My surname is O'Meara (NB, the e is silent)

I've given up using it as I got fed up being told:
"Your name is invalid" Yeah right!

--
Ken
http://unsteadyken.110mb.com/