Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge
of the subject?

Chris

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece


I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Ofcom have wasted (IMHO) loads of our money devising frequency plans to
cater for this mad (IMHO) plan.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...eaved/summary/

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

In article ,
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge
of the subject?

I'd say so. If ITV can't afford local news can't see how a local TV
station could pay for itself. Unless run by volunteers.

Chris

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge
of the subject?

I'd say so. If ITV can't afford local news can't see how a local TV
station could pay for itself. Unless run by volunteers.

Chris


Governments of either colour are always looking for a stick to beat the BBC
with so they'd take funds out of the BBC licence fee for the non-existent
'public broadcasting benefit' that such a service will offer.

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Reinventing the wheel again then.

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"Chris" wrote in message
...
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and nobody's
aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge of
the subject?

Chris

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

I propose a day like they used to have in Iceland where ther is no tv for a
whole day.

Brian

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"Chris" wrote in message
...
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and nobody's
aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge of
the subject?

Chris

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

Mark Carver wrote:
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV
stations to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece


I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV
will still come from a limited number if sites that are not
city-specific. I guess you could add some new local transmitters but
they would need to transmit their own local multiplex on an additional
frequency and nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Ofcom have wasted (IMHO) loads of our money devising frequency plans to
cater for this mad (IMHO) plan.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...eaved/summary/


Thanks Mike. That looks like it. The document describes the "81 possible
sites" that the times article quotes.

I can't help thinking that in the future the city populations that such
local stations are aimed at will get their TV and other media on-demand
through a high speed internet connections rather than over the air.
That way anyone who wants to produce local content can make it available
- although whether there would be an audience is another matter.

Chris

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

Brian Gaff wrote:
I propose a day like they used to have in Iceland where ther is no tv for a
whole day.

Brian


Better get the sky+ disk filled up ready then :)

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:24:03 +0100, Chris
wrote:

According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge
of the subject?


The Roman politicians kept their plebs under control by entertaining
them with circuses - gladiators killing each other and lions eating
Christians.
Modern day politicians want to keep the populace quiet by feeding us
with *virtual* circuses on the magic box. The more channels the
better.

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece


I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge
of the subject?

Chris
A bit like the BBC's idea, which was running successfully as a pilot, of
local TV on DTT. And was deemed not needed by the government.

Richard

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

"Chris" wrote in message
...
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and nobody's
aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge of
the subject?
Chris


As usual

Solent TV on Astra/eurobird 28e was as local as it gets
If you are going to have local TV, 28e is the place to put them

local terrestrial muxs would cost a fortune

Steve Terry

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

"Chris" wrote in message
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Mark Carver wrote:
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

The above envisages terrestrial broadcasting, but...
About a year ago the CEO of Eutelsat was interviewed on some Italian
satellite TV channel or other. Describing future developments he said
they were working towards being able to so tightly focus a transponder that
it could be focussed on a single city.

Not heard anything more on this development - so far.

Roger

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

In article , Roger R
wrote:

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Mark Carver wrote:
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV
stations to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

The above envisages terrestrial broadcasting, but... About a year ago the
CEO of Eutelsat was interviewed on some Italian satellite TV channel or
other. Describing future developments he said they were working towards
being able to so tightly focus a transponder that it could be focussed on
a single city.

Not heard anything more on this development - so far.

It wouldn't be just having very narrow beam width, it would mean keeping
the position of the satellite to a very tight accuracy. Imagine a fraction
of a degree variation giving Derby signals meant for Nottingham - the riots
that would ensue ....

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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece I
assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Ofcom have wasted (IMHO) loads of our money devising frequency plans to
cater for this mad (IMHO) plan.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...eaved/summary/



depends what they do with the channel i suppose - i kind of like the idea of
a local channel that lets local people present bits on subjects that they
think are important even if they are bizarre to us.
a bit like the american local access cable channels.



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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

In article , The dog from that film you
saw wrote:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV
stations to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece
I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV
will still come from a limited number if sites that are not
city-specific. I guess you could add some new local transmitters but
they would need to transmit their own local multiplex on an
additional frequency and nobody's aerial would be pointing at them
anyway.

Ofcom have wasted (IMHO) loads of our money devising frequency plans to
cater for this mad (IMHO) plan.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...eaved/summary/



depends what they do with the channel i suppose - i kind of like the idea
of a local channel that lets local people present bits on subjects that
they think are important even if they are bizarre to us. a bit like the
american local access cable channels.

or even Channel tv ;-)

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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

charles wrote:
In article , The dog from that film you

depends what they do with the channel i suppose - i kind of like the idea
of a local channel that lets local people present bits on subjects that
they think are important even if they are bizarre to us. a bit like the
american local access cable channels.

or even Channel tv ;-)

Which only survives because it has ITV 1 network programming to sustain the
other 23 hours a day of its output. That network programming is supplied at
very cheap rate, because Channel's potential audience is tiny. National
advertising is also sold on their behalf by ITV Ltd. All of that is a
remaining legacy from the IBA regulator days. I'm surprised Ofcom haven't
waded in yet, and destroyed that rather quaint arrangement.

Stations like the IOW's Solent TV failed partly because they could only
sustain output by rebroadcasting Sky News and QVC, or repeating their own
local programmes ad infinitum, and had to sell all advertising space by
themselves.


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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

Mark Carver wrote:
charles wrote:
In article , The dog from that
film you

depends what they do with the channel i suppose - i kind of like the
idea
of a local channel that lets local people present bits on subjects that
they think are important even if they are bizarre to us. a bit like the
american local access cable channels.

or even Channel tv ;-)

Which only survives because it has ITV 1 network programming to sustain
the other 23 hours a day of its output. That network programming is
supplied at very cheap rate, because Channel's potential audience is
tiny. National advertising is also sold on their behalf by ITV Ltd. All
of that is a remaining legacy from the IBA regulator days. I'm surprised
Ofcom haven't waded in yet, and destroyed that rather quaint arrangement.

Stations like the IOW's Solent TV failed partly because they could only
sustain output by rebroadcasting Sky News and QVC, or repeating their
own local programmes ad infinitum, and had to sell all advertising space
by themselves.



Would a consortium of 80 channels have enough resources to make a go of it?

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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

"Chris Youlden" wrote in message
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Would a consortium of 80 channels have enough resources to make a go of
it?




maybe they would be government funded, one small studio with 5 staff
affairs.



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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

In article ,
The dog from that film you saw wrote:
Would a consortium of 80 channels have enough resources to make a go
of it?


maybe they would be government funded, one small studio with 5 staff
affairs.

Think the taxi bill for interviewing local dignitaries might be quite
large...

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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

Chris Youlden wrote:


Would a consortium of 80 channels have enough resources to make a go of it?

That in effect would be like reinventing the ITV network, but in 80 rather
than 15 areas. The problem as I see it, is that Ofcom/government have created
a broadcasting environment where the regional ITV of old is no longer
sustainable. I don't think ITV have helped themselves by making some rather
poor decisions in recent years, but the fact remains that commercially funded
local broadcasting doesn't seem to work any more (look at what's happened to
radio as well).


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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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charles wrote:
In article , The dog from that film
you

depends what they do with the channel i suppose - i kind of like the
idea
of a local channel that lets local people present bits on subjects that
they think are important even if they are bizarre to us. a bit like the
american local access cable channels.

or even Channel tv ;-)

Which only survives because it has ITV 1 network programming to sustain
the other 23 hours a day of its output. That network programming is
supplied at very cheap rate, because Channel's potential audience is tiny.
National advertising is also sold on their behalf by ITV Ltd. All of that
is a remaining legacy from the IBA regulator days. I'm surprised Ofcom
haven't waded in yet, and destroyed that rather quaint arrangement.

Stations like the IOW's Solent TV failed partly because they could only
sustain output by rebroadcasting Sky News and QVC, or repeating their own
local programmes ad infinitum, and had to sell all advertising space by
themselves.



IIRC a number of years ago there was a plan to set up a local channel in the
Bristol area, in fact it actually reached the point of running promos around
the clock for several months but never ever came to anything.
I believe it was transmitted from the Ilchester crescent transmitter and was
horizontally polarised?. which would certainly have been an minus point
considering that it was extremely low powered and all of the other channels
were vertically polarised!

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
I don't think ITV have helped themselves by making some rather poor
decisions in recent years, but the fact remains that commercially funded
local broadcasting doesn't seem to work any more (look at what's
happened to radio as well).

*All* commercially funded broadcasting - apart from through subscription -
seems to be on dodgy ground. And may well not survive.

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Homeopathic TV?
IE the content is so diluted to be almost undetectable.

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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:24:03 +0100, Chris
wrote:

According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and
nobody's aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge
of the subject?


The Roman politicians kept their plebs under control by entertaining
them with circuses - gladiators killing each other and lions eating
Christians.
Modern day politicians want to keep the populace quiet by feeding us
with *virtual* circuses on the magic box. The more channels the
better.

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

"Chris" wrote in message
...
According to today's Times, the tories would introduce local TV stations
to 80 towns and cities after 2012.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6715236.ece

I assume the 2012 date is something to do with the end of digital
switchover but I still don't see how it would work. Terrestrial TV will
still come from a limited number if sites that are not city-specific. I
guess you could add some new local transmitters but they would need to
transmit their own local multiplex on an additional frequency and nobody's
aerial would be pointing at them anyway.

Maybe the new service would be internet based and we would use media
players and mobile phones to watch.

Is this just another example of politicians spouting with no knowledge of
the subject?

Chris



"Mrs Miggins cat got stuck up a tree today. Someone's running a cake stall
in Sblob Road. A gang of yoofs happy slapped an OAP."


This is just pointless.

It will be as banal and pointless as those adverts they have on buses
asking, nay demanding, that the public does not abuse staff members because
it's not tolerated and taken seriously.


Then there is the distortion factor.

Will they report crime thus increasing fear of crime and increasing the
isolation of the vulnerable?

Will they under-report crime thus creating a false sense of security and
enabling more crime?

Will it be so "politically correct" inclusive as to divide ordinary straight
healthy male white people or will it be hijackable as a platform for every
local loon and nut with a cause and chip on the shoulder.



It's going to end in tears and expense.

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

I'd say so. If ITV can't afford local news can't see how a local TV
station could pay for itself. Unless run by volunteers.



The BBC and ITV seem to get by being run by amateurs.

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

And what does subscription buy you? Original content? AFAIAA not
much! Freedom from adverts? Not a chance! Freedom from endless
repeats? Not unless things have changed radically! Really, I cannot
understand why people subscribe to it.

But to return to the point about commercial broadcasting. I think
part of the problem is that the BBC is now so dumbed down, that it and
ITV are now competing for the same audience. My recollection is that
this didn't use to be the case. Allowing that with all such sweeping
generalisations there will always be notable exceptions, most families
predominantly watched either one channel or the other.

The BBC was considered 'highbrow' and 'intellectual', ITV was, though
I don't recall hearing the term in this context until later,
'populist'. The choice of channels rather mirrored the choice of
newspapers between broadsheet and tabloid. Interestingly, carrying
this analogy further, most (all?) formerly broadsheet newspapers are
now in tabloid format, suggesting that their content also may be
dumbed down in a similar manner to broadcast content.

Even the flagship 'intellectual', 'arty', call them what you will,
channels have an awful lot of crap which really has no right to be
there at all - for example, 'The Avengers'! Hell! All my
acquaintances thought it crap the first time round, let alone repeated
30-40 years of increasing sophistication later!

Media are the living embodiment of the age old truth - 'More' often
means 'Less'.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:05:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

*All* commercially funded broadcasting - apart from through subscription -
seems to be on dodgy ground. And may well not survive.

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writes
And what does subscription buy you? Original content? AFAIAA not
much! Freedom from adverts? Not a chance! Freedom from endless
repeats? Not unless things have changed radically! Really, I cannot
understand why people subscribe to it.

But to return to the point about commercial broadcasting. I think
part of the problem is that the BBC is now so dumbed down, that it and
ITV are now competing for the same audience. My recollection is that
this didn't use to be the case. Allowing that with all such sweeping
generalisations there will always be notable exceptions, most families
predominantly watched either one channel or the other.

The BBC was considered 'highbrow' and 'intellectual', ITV was, though
I don't recall hearing the term in this context until later,
'populist'. The choice of channels rather mirrored the choice of
newspapers between broadsheet and tabloid. Interestingly, carrying
this analogy further, most (all?) formerly broadsheet newspapers are
now in tabloid format, suggesting that their content also may be
dumbed down in a similar manner to broadcast content.

Even the flagship 'intellectual', 'arty', call them what you will,
channels have an awful lot of crap which really has no right to be
there at all - for example, 'The Avengers'! Hell! All my
acquaintances thought it crap the first time round, let alone repeated
30-40 years of increasing sophistication later!


When the population is largely becoming unable to read, write, spell or
think, and have what appears to be a mental age of eight, any programmes
without lots of stupid sounds, gaudy flashing coloured lights, and
celebs, is likely to be ignored anyway.

In an unregulated Capitalist society, people have one purpose, buying
stuff.

Keep 'em dumb, to the shops they'll come.
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In article ,
Light of Aria wrote:

I'd say so. If ITV can't afford local news can't see how a local TV
station could pay for itself. Unless run by volunteers.



The BBC and ITV seem to get by being run by amateurs.

Amateur means doing the job for nothing (for the love of). Amateur does
not mean incompetent. And those who run the BBC get paid.

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Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:17:46 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
Light of Aria wrote:

I'd say so. If ITV can't afford local news can't see how a local TV
station could pay for itself. Unless run by volunteers.



The BBC and ITV seem to get by being run by amateurs.

Amateur means doing the job for nothing (for the love of). Amateur does
not mean incompetent. And those who run the BBC get paid.

That is the primary meaning of "amateur". However, the word can be used
disparagingly to mean incompetent. When a paid professional is described
as an amateur that implies that the person's work is not of the required
standard.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/amateur

amateur
noun
1 a person who takes part in a sport or other activity without
being paid.
2 a person regarded as incompetent at a particular activity.
adjective
1 non-professional.
2 inept.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/amateurish

amateurish
adjective
incompetent; unskilful.

Tories propose 80 local TV stations
 

In article ,
Java Jive wrote:
And what does subscription buy you? Original content? AFAIAA not
much! Freedom from adverts? Not a chance! Freedom from endless
repeats? Not unless things have changed radically! Really, I cannot
understand why people subscribe to it.

Fitba. In a word.

But to return to the point about commercial broadcasting. I think
part of the problem is that the BBC is now so dumbed down, that it and
ITV are now competing for the same audience. My recollection is that
this didn't use to be the case. Allowing that with all such sweeping
generalisations there will always be notable exceptions, most families
predominantly watched either one channel or the other.

The BBC was considered 'highbrow' and 'intellectual', ITV was, though
I don't recall hearing the term in this context until later,
'populist'.

Were you around when there was only BBC1? Were shows like the Appleyards
and The Billy Cotton Band Show 'highbrow'?

The choice of channels rather mirrored the choice of
newspapers between broadsheet and tabloid. Interestingly, carrying
this analogy further, most (all?) formerly broadsheet newspapers are
now in tabloid format, suggesting that their content also may be
dumbed down in a similar manner to broadcast content.

More likely to make them easier to handle on the tube, etc.

Even the flagship 'intellectual', 'arty', call them what you will,
channels have an awful lot of crap which really has no right to be
there at all - for example, 'The Avengers'! Hell! All my
acquaintances thought it crap the first time round, let alone repeated
30-40 years of increasing sophistication later!

You must have very restricted pals. As a bit of camp it's near unbeatable.

Media are the living embodiment of the age old truth - 'More' often
means 'Less'.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:05:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

*All* commercially funded broadcasting - apart from through subscription -
seems to be on dodgy ground. And may well not survive.

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The BBC was considered 'highbrow' and 'intellectual',
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With such highbrow entertainment as..

Call my Bluff
What's my line
The Grove family
Dixon of dock green
Dr. Kildare
Perry Mason
The Phil Silvers show
Z cars
Come dancing..

and that's just quickly off the top of my head, I expect that others can add
many more 'Intellectual' programmes to the list, to be perfectly honest I
don't think that things have changed an awful lot, (even down to the
ballroom dancing programmes!) It's just that things always appear so much
better with hindsight, Although I agree that we did have programs like the
'Sky at Night' presented by a bloke called Patrick Moore, I don't suppose
anyone remembers it nowadays...

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Ivan wrote:

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The BBC was considered 'highbrow' and 'intellectual',
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With such highbrow entertainment as..

Call my Bluff
What's my line
The Grove family
Dixon of dock green
Dr. Kildare
Perry Mason
The Phil Silvers show
Z cars
Come dancing..

Quite !

And at the same time so called 'lowbrow' ITV programming such as:-

Brideshead Revisited
Jewel In The Crown
Rumpole
Morse
Weekend World
World in Action
This Week
A Fine Romance
The Prisoner (just the sort of experimental risk taking programming
people say only the Beeb were capable of)

Can anyone name anything from the 60s/70s from the Beeb that was even
half as stylish as the Avengers, or half as realistically 'gritty' as
the Thames/Euston Films stuff such as Fox, Out, or Minder ?

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It wouldn't be just having very narrow beam width, it would mean keeping
the position of the satellite to a very tight accuracy. Imagine a
fraction
of a degree variation giving Derby signals meant for Nottingham - the
riots that would ensue ....

I don't know whether that level of stability is difficult or not, its quite
calm up there in space. The reverse would also apply, if, as they might
have us believe, military spy sats are able to focus in detail on small
ground targets, they would need to be even more stable. So perhaps it's
possible.

But satellite broadcasting doesn't change the economics that are discussed
elsewhere in this thread - that commercial TV is a business unable to
attract sufficient advertising to pay its way.

Roger R

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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:01:11 +0100, "Roger R"
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"charles" wrote in message
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It wouldn't be just having very narrow beam width, it would mean keeping
the position of the satellite to a very tight accuracy. Imagine a
fraction
of a degree variation giving Derby signals meant for Nottingham - the
riots that would ensue ....

I don't know whether that level of stability is difficult or not, its quite
calm up there in space. The reverse would also apply, if, as they might
have us believe, military spy sats are able to focus in detail on small
ground targets, they would need to be even more stable. So perhaps it's
possible.

I think that military spy satellites tend to be in low Earth orbit. They
zip along at some speed in relation to the Earth's surface. If they take
high-resolution still images stability would be less of an issue as they
would not need to point accurately and continuously at a particular
location on the surface.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Were you around when there was only BBC1?

Dave - there was never only BBC1.
Before BBC2 started there was only: BBC tv

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In article ,
Roger R wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
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It wouldn't be just having very narrow beam width, it would mean keeping
the position of the satellite to a very tight accuracy. Imagine a
fraction
of a degree variation giving Derby signals meant for Nottingham - the
riots that would ensue ....

I don't know whether that level of stability is difficult or not, its
quite calm up there in space.

from the weather, yes; from garvitational effecty - no. That is why
synchronous satellites expend fuel in keeping their position. When they
run out of fuel the satellite's life has come to an end.

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charles wrote:
Were you around when there was only BBC1?

Dave - there was never only BBC1.
Before BBC2 started there was only: BBC tv

Yes, pet. ;-)

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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:51:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
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Were you around when there was only BBC1? Were shows like the Appleyards

Don't remember that, so can't comment.

and The Billy Cotton Band Show 'highbrow'?

It's perhaps not 'highbrow', but I wouldn't call it 'lowbrow' either.
Somewhere in between.

You must have very restricted pals. As a bit of camp it's near unbeatable.

Not really, there was a wide range of backgrounds when I was at
college towards the end of its run.

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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:51:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
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and The Billy Cotton Band Show 'highbrow'?

It's perhaps not 'highbrow', but I wouldn't call it 'lowbrow' either.
Somewhere in between.

Allow me to yell in your ear "WAKEY WAKEY!"

Saturday night on the BBC in the early sixties was the biggest load of tat
imaginable:

Dixon of Dock Green
The Billy Cotton Band Show
The Black and White Minstrel Show

Not only did they play to the lowest common denominator - they also
reflected the cosy inward-looking England so fond of some on this group. An
England, incidentally, that never existed.

Sheila

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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:21:41 +0100, "Ivan"
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With such highbrow entertainment as..

Call my Bluff

Requires good knowledge of the English language, so definitely
'highbrow' ...

What's my line

Continuation of drawing room pastimes such as playing charades, and
one of the leading panellists was a 'Lady', (even if she did later
commit suicide when unmasked as a kleptomaniac) so definitely
'highbrow' ...

The Grove family

Can't remember it.

Dixon of dock green

Middling, but moralist in tone, so arguably more 'highbrow' than
'lowbrow'

Dr. Kildare

Don't really remember it well enough, one of the early off-the-shelf
purchases from the states, IMS.

Perry Mason

Ditto, and from what little I remember, it was also moralist in tone.

The Phil Silvers show

Yes, that was undeniable crap, but wasn't that later? I can remember
being exasperated with a girlfriend wanting to watch that and Dallas,
which would put it around 1980.

Z cars

Middling, I'd say. What's supposedly 'lowbrow' about it?

Come dancing..

Ditto.

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