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John[_34_] July 6th 09 08:14 PM

Waltham
 
Having trouble getting a good signal on ITV from Waltham - others are okay.
Tried retuning and lost some ITV and channel5. Got them back - but very
iffy. Full strength on BBC though.

Any ideas - I had been thinking a tree might be in my line of sight but I
guess that would downgrade all channels.



Java Jive July 6th 09 08:37 PM

Waltham
 
You can check the tree(s) at my aerial alignment page:
http://www.macfh.co.uk/Test/UKTerrestrialTVTest.html

This is the info I currently have for Waltham, doubtless Mark may come
along with some mo

/* Waltham */
var SK809233 =
{
dsobeg:"01-01-2011",
dsoend:"31-12-2011",
transmissions:
[
{
type:"Analog",
bbc:"East Midlands",
itv:"Central",
aergrp:"C/D",
aerpol:"H",
aerht:440,
erp:250,

channels:[{name:"BBC1",number:58},{name:"BBC2",number:64},{n ame:"ITV",number:61},{name:"Ch4",number:54}]
},
{
type:"Analog",
itv:"Central",
aergrp:"E",
aerpol:"H",
aerht:406,
erp:250,
channels:[{name:"Ch5",number:35}]
},
{
type:"DTTPre",
itv:"Central",
aergrp:"W",
aerpol:"H",
aerht:403,
channels:[{name:"Mux 1",number:49,erp:10},{name:"Mux
2",number:23,erp:8},{name:"Mux A",number:26,erp:8},{name:"Mux
B",number:33,erp:8},{name:"Mux C",number:45,erp:5},{name:"Mux
D",number:42,erp:5}]
},
{
type:"DTTPost",
itv:"Central",
aergrp:"W",
aerpol:"H",
channels:[{name:"BBC
A",number:61,erp:50},{name:"D3&4",number:54,erp:50 },{name:"BBC
B",number:58,erp:50},{name:"SDN",number:29,erp:25} ,{name:"Arq
A",number:56,erp:25},{name:"Arq B",number:57,erp:25}]
}
],
children:["SK189691","SK337462","SK241616","SK294553","SK275 642","SK329342","SK463470","SK585033","SK371419"," SK297589","SK503435","SK185542","TF032067","SK2456 37"]
}

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:14:05 +0100, "John"
wrote:

Having trouble getting a good signal on ITV from Waltham - others are okay.
Tried retuning and lost some ITV and channel5. Got them back - but very
iffy. Full strength on BBC though.

Any ideas - I had been thinking a tree might be in my line of sight but I
guess that would downgrade all channels.


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Mark Carver July 6th 09 08:45 PM

Waltham
 
John wrote:
Having trouble getting a good signal on ITV from Waltham - others are okay.
Tried retuning and lost some ITV and channel5. Got them back - but very
iffy. Full strength on BBC though.

Any ideas - I had been thinking a tree might be in my line of sight but I
guess that would downgrade all channels.


First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband ?

The muxes that carry ITV and C5 are on UHF Ch 23, and 26, way out of group if
you are using a C/D. BBC Mux is on Ch 49, inside Group C/D.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Bill Wright July 6th 09 09:05 PM

Waltham
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
John wrote:
Having trouble getting a good signal on ITV from Waltham - others are
okay. Tried retuning and lost some ITV and channel5. Got them back - but
very iffy. Full strength on BBC though.

Any ideas - I had been thinking a tree might be in my line of sight but I
guess that would downgrade all channels.


First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband ?

The muxes that carry ITV and C5 are on UHF Ch 23, and 26, way out of group
if you are using a C/D. BBC Mux is on Ch 49, inside Group C/D.


--
Mark


Also, trees are very 'frequency selective' and can act like notch filters,
killing one channel and leaving the others alone.

Bill



John[_34_] July 6th 09 09:31 PM

Waltham
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
John wrote:
Having trouble getting a good signal on ITV from Waltham - others are
okay. Tried retuning and lost some ITV and channel5. Got them back - but
very iffy. Full strength on BBC though.

Any ideas - I had been thinking a tree might be in my line of sight but I
guess that would downgrade all channels.


First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband ?

The muxes that carry ITV and C5 are on UHF Ch 23, and 26, way out of group
if you are using a C/D. BBC Mux is on Ch 49, inside Group C/D.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk


I don't know - it has 16 director elements and plastic encased element.
Fitted about 4 years ago. ITV1 is on 23



Mark Carver July 6th 09 09:52 PM

Waltham
 
John wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message


First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband ?

The muxes that carry ITV and C5 are on UHF Ch 23, and 26, way out of group
if you are using a C/D. BBC Mux is on Ch 49, inside Group C/D.



I don't know - it has 16 director elements and plastic encased element.
Fitted about 4 years ago. ITV1 is on 23


One of these ?

http://www.antiference.tv/sites/anti...es/42%20RX.pdf

How good is your analogue C5 reception, compared with analogue BBC1/2/ITV/4 ?

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Java Jive July 6th 09 10:03 PM

Waltham
 
You can tell the aerial group from the cap colour:
Group/Cap colour on aerial/Channel Range
A Red 21 to 37
B Yellow 35 to 53
C/D Green 48 to 68
E Brown 35 to 68
K Grey 21 to 48
W Black or none 21 to 68 (all of them, aka WideBand)

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:31:42 +0100, "John"
wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...

First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband ?


I don't know - it has 16 director elements and plastic encased element.
Fitted about 4 years ago. ITV1 is on 23


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John[_34_] July 6th 09 10:08 PM

Waltham
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
John wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message


First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband ?

The muxes that carry ITV and C5 are on UHF Ch 23, and 26, way out of
group if you are using a C/D. BBC Mux is on Ch 49, inside Group C/D.



I don't know - it has 16 director elements and plastic encased element.
Fitted about 4 years ago. ITV1 is on 23


One of these ?

http://www.antiference.tv/sites/anti...es/42%20RX.pdf

How good is your analogue C5 reception, compared with analogue
BBC1/2/ITV/4 ?

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk


Aerial - yes

Can't easily tell with analogue - only SCART into TV - I have rationalised
some of the daisy chaining.



John[_34_] July 6th 09 10:09 PM

Waltham
 

"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
You can check the tree(s) at my aerial alignment page:
http://www.macfh.co.uk/Test/UKTerrestrialTVTest.html

This is the info I currently have for Waltham, doubtless Mark may come
along with some mo


Amazing site - congratulations.



John[_34_] July 6th 09 10:32 PM

Waltham
 

"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
You can tell the aerial group from the cap colour:
Group/Cap colour on aerial/Channel Range
A Red 21 to 37
B Yellow 35 to 53
C/D Green 48 to 68
E Brown 35 to 68
K Grey 21 to 48
W Black or none 21 to 68 (all of them, aka WideBand)

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:31:42 +0100, "John"
wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...

First question, what type of aerial do you have, Group C/D or Wideband
?


I don't know - it has 16 director elements and plastic encased element.
Fitted about 4 years ago. ITV1 is on 23


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Black on front end.



John[_34_] July 7th 09 09:52 AM

Waltham
 


The lost stations after several attempts to re-tune a

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14

Is there a common theme?



Dave Farrance July 7th 09 01:09 PM

Waltham
 
"John" wrote:

The lost stations after several attempts to re-tune a

3
4
6
8
10
13
14

Is there a common theme?


Yes, those are on Mux 2, which is on Waltham's UHF channel 23.

--
Dave Farrance

John[_34_] July 7th 09 06:00 PM

Waltham
 

"Dave Farrance" wrote in message
...
"John" wrote:

The lost stations after several attempts to re-tune a

3
4
6
8
10
13
14

Is there a common theme?


Yes, those are on Mux 2, which is on Waltham's UHF channel 23.

--
Dave Farrance


Got them back after a further re-tune - but the signals are weaker than the
others. Any suggestions?



Java Jive July 7th 09 06:49 PM

Waltham
 
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:09:18 +0100, "John"
wrote:

Amazing site - congratulations.


For some reason I missed this earlier, thanks for the compliment.
Sorry you're still having problems.

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Mark Carver July 7th 09 08:32 PM

Waltham
 
John wrote:

Got them back after a further re-tune - but the signals are weaker than the
others. Any suggestions?


We need to clear up how well your aerial is performing at the lower end of the
band, as I asked in my other post, the quality of C5 analogue (Ch 35) compared
against the other four analogues (Ch 54,58,61,64) might provide some clues.
The evidence you have presented certainly points to a problem at the lower end
of the band.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

John[_34_] July 7th 09 09:18 PM

Waltham
 
I had forgotten how poor normal analogue is - fortunately BBC2 and Ch5 were
both showing the same Jackson Tribute - Ch5 was slightly worse.

On the crude scale on the info display BBC 1 is at Max signal - ITV is at
about 10% of scale.
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
John wrote:

Got them back after a further re-tune - but the signals are weaker than
the others. Any suggestions?


We need to clear up how well your aerial is performing at the lower end of
the band, as I asked in my other post, the quality of C5 analogue (Ch 35)
compared against the other four analogues (Ch 54,58,61,64) might provide
some clues. The evidence you have presented certainly points to a problem
at the lower end of the band.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk





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