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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
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Course Thatcher did a lot more social levelling than any socialist mob
ever did by letting tenants buy their own properties;))..
Tony Sayer

She would have if she had then let the councils spend the money to build
more, but that would have fecked her invention of the illusion of "the
property market".

Yes an old tub thumping labour supporter mate of mine did very well out
of her ideas but he'd never admit that the house she permitted him to
buy made him a enough to live on after he had the only access to a lump
of land behind him;).

With "the property market" she created the illusion of personal
prosperity,
whilst in reality burdening the masses with mortgages eating most of their
wages, and worst of all by filtering all those wages into banks mortgages,
she's deprived people of purchasing goods and services providing jobs
and industry

Which eventually helps force wages down so we're become a low wage
economy and getting lower all the time
Steve Terry

-- Which no one has reversed have they after all that time;?..
Tony Sayer


Property owning via mortgages is such a powerful drug i can't see anyway
to wean the British off of it
At least not until we get an economy crushing depression like the 1930's
again


Well if this goes on there'll come a time when the British own all the
houses then they'll re mortgage them and leave a horrendous debt for
their children's nippers;!..


Course if planning wasn't so restrictive then there might be enough
houses that are affordable so the original problem didn't exist;!..


The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?


What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en France?..

Steve Terry



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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
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The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?

What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en France?..
Tony Sayer


This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made. It has dragged the
whole worlds economy down but best placed are those with real mixed
economies like France. If nothing else lots of cheap small holdings
with good weather to grow your own food.

The last place to be in a melt down is here, now the highest population
per Sq km in Europe.

The Mad Max scenario of millions fighting for the last remaining scraps
will have nothing on us

Steve Terry

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Steve Terry wrote:


This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".

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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".


I would, they used the Anglo "unregulated banking" model.

Unlike say Spain who kept their banking regulations,
and are now in the position of being able to buy up our banks.

and the French who have bought most of our utilities

and the Norwegians and Swedish who have proper
nationalised State Banks.

If Gordo was the slightest bit Socialist, he could have used
the situation the nationalise HBOS into the State bank of Britain,
based on Norway's State bank.

But his friends at the Treasury would have wet themselves
if he had,

Steve Terry

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Steve Terry wrote:
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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".


I would, they used the Anglo "unregulated banking" model.

Unlike say Spain who kept their banking regulations,
and are now in the position of being able to buy up our banks.

and airports and electricity companies

and the French who have bought most of our utilities

apart from those owned by the Germans and The Spanish.
But they did buy them before the banking nosedive.

and the Norwegians and Swedish who have proper
nationalised State Banks.

If Gordo was the slightest bit Socialist, he could have used
the situation the nationalise HBOS into the State bank of Britain,


or even "The Bank of Scotland"

But weren't the Royal's losses even greater?

or even "The Bank of Scotland" ;-)

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If Gordo was the slightest bit Socialist, he could have used
the situation the nationalise HBOS into the State bank of Britain,

or even "The Bank of Scotland"


The nationalised State Bank of Scotland

But then the Scottish parliament would insist on a stake in it's operations

(maybe not a bad idea, it would encourage Scottish nationalists to put their
savings there)

Treasury would be throwing themselves of tall buildings, and as
they are the real Gov behind the scenes, it's not going to happen

Steve Terry

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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
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The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?

What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en France?..
Tony Sayer


This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made. It has dragged the
whole worlds economy down but best placed are those with real mixed
economies like France. If nothing else lots of cheap small holdings
with good weather to grow your own food.

Well unemployment is rising rather fast there according to our relatives
there with one of them, 34 Y/O with commitments children etc, looking at
redundancy next month.. In what was supposed to be a secure job..

Now under cut by the Chinese..


The last place to be in a melt down is here, now the highest population
per Sq km in Europe.

The Mad Max scenario of millions fighting for the last remaining scraps
will have nothing on us


Right .. till then;)..
Steve Terry



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On 16 June, 19:38, Java Jive wrote:
I have a very vague recollection as a young child of being driven into
somewhere like London, and the, as I only much later realised, rather
snobby friends in the front of the car making comments to the effect:
"There's a TV aerial, and there, another one! *People are obviously
doing very nicely for themselves around here!"

I wonder if the same thing ever happened with satellite dishes!

I doubt it, given that satellite used to have the reputation of being
commonly found on large council estates.

John

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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".


I would, they used the Anglo "unregulated banking" model.

Unlike say Spain who kept their banking regulations,
and are now in the position of being able to buy up our banks.

and the French who have bought most of our utilities

and the Norwegians and Swedish who have proper
nationalised State Banks.

And our broadcast infrastructure now Australian owned;(..

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On 16 June, 20:19, tony sayer wrote:
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In order to watch HD, you need an HD TV (thus outlay!). *The additional
cost of an HD satellite system is not much on top.

So let's face facts, Freeview is fine for SD but HD can stay on satellite.
Let's get Freeview with SD, some decent bitrates and 5.1 sound and
recognise that by the time HD takes off, satellite systems will be being
given away with a gallon of petrol ;-).

But no-one will have dis-invented conservation areas and listed buildings.
In fact, I suggest that there will be more of them!

tim

Can anyone answer me this.

Why is a lump of metal and plastic shaped into a satellite dish treated
any differently to a lump of metal and plastic shaped into a TV
aerial?..

Good point! This is something that I have wondered about.

John