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National Mass Retuning Day
A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed.
And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup |
National Mass Retuning Day
"J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. I'm a protestant will it affect me? |
National Mass Retuning Day
On Thu, 21 May 2009 22:19:41 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote: "J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. I'm a protestant will it affect me? smile |
National Mass Retuning Day
J G Miller wrote:
A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup Nearer £300 with a hard drive I suspect? (kim) |
National Mass Retuning Day
J G Miller wrote:
A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup With ITV and C4 thinking very carefully about whether to commit to DTT HD (AIUI ITV's 'Future Technology' staff were sacked yesterday), DVB-T2 might well stall. With only one HD service looking possible, T2 won't be needed yet. You could transmit BBC HD within the 64QAM DSO'd version of Mux B (aka PSB 3) keeping it at DVB-T1. Of course existing receivers would not be able to receive the HD service, but the clearing of PSB 3 of existing SD services would not be necessary. Just a thought. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
National Mass Retuning Day
"J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup These morons have got to be out of their minds. You can get a Sky+HD box, which includes a built in hard drive for only £49, and installation is free. On top of that the bitrate on satellite is considerably higher than the 6mbps that each channel is going to be broadcast at on DVB-T2. 6mbps is barley adequate for SD quality on DVD let alone HD. And to pay for this rubbish, are these ******* are going to cram the existing 5 terrestrial channels, plus BBC3/CBBC, BBC4/Cbeebies, BBC News, BBC Parliament, 3 BBC interactive streams and 12 BBC radio stations and the text service into 24mbps, averaging less than 2mbps each? And if not where are the other 8 channels (counting the radio stations as one channel) going to go? |
National Mass Retuning Day
You know it always amazes me that when all of this was being designed, the
need for a transmitter commanded retune was not seen. It was obvious to me from the very start that the evolving standards and the fact that at the outset transmissions would need to share with analogue, that this function would be tremendously useful. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup |
National Mass Retuning Day
And if nobody buys them they will keep reducing the quality of standard
freeview until they do.. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "kim" wrote in message ... J G Miller wrote: A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup Nearer £300 with a hard drive I suspect? (kim) |
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On May 22, 9:09*am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
You know it always amazes me that when all of this was being designed, the need for a transmitter commanded retune was not seen. It was obvious to me from the very start that the evolving standards and the fact that at the outset transmissions would need to share with analogue, that this function would be tremendously useful. I agree, even the Freesat platform (only a year old) doesn't seem to have fully transparent handling when new channels arrive, you are prompted to perform a scan. Yet Sky's platform, has always been able to automagically add, remove, and shuffle its channels and services without any viewer intervention required. If a service moves transponder (the equivalent of a DTT mux change, it is silently remapped within the EPG, with zero fuss). |
National Mass Retuning Day
Agamemnon wrote:
"J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup These morons have got to be out of their minds. You can get a Sky+HD box, which includes a built in hard drive for only £49, and installation is free. £49, plus minimum of £26.25 per month for minimum of 12 months. So absolute minimum cost over the 12 months = £364. They give you the box for peanuts, because they hope you'll stay for longer than 1 year - each subsequent year they get another £315 off you. They probably recoup their costs in the first year, but hope you'll stay on for longer. Do you still lose the ability to record, or play back recorded programmes ones you've cancelled your subscription? If so, then you just end up with a glorified FreeSat box. D |
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On May 22, 9:23*am, David Hearn wrote:
£49, plus minimum of £26.25 per month for minimum of 12 months. *So absolute minimum cost over the 12 months = £364. They give you the box for peanuts, because they hope you'll stay for longer than 1 year - each subsequent year they get another £315 off you.. * *They probably recoup their costs in the first year, but hope you'll stay on for longer. Do you still lose the ability to record, or play back recorded programmes ones you've cancelled your subscription? *If so, then you just end up with a glorified FreeSat box. That's right, kill the Sky sub, and you effectively kill the HDD. |
National Mass Retuning Day
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... Agamemnon wrote: "J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup These morons have got to be out of their minds. You can get a Sky+HD box, which includes a built in hard drive for only £49, and installation is free. £49, plus minimum of £26.25 per month for minimum of 12 months. So absolute minimum cost over the 12 months = £364. They give you the box for peanuts, because they hope you'll stay for longer than 1 year - each subsequent year they get another £315 off you. They probably recoup their costs in the first year, but hope you'll stay on for longer. Do you still lose the ability to record, or play back recorded programmes ones you've cancelled your subscription? If so, then you just end up with a glorified FreeSat box. Also bear in mind that the very mention of the words 'Sky' or 'Murdoch' has a similar effect on many people to that of 'Thatcher' on a dyed in the wool socialist. |
National Mass Retuning Day
In article , Agamemnon
scribeth thus "J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009...view-retuning- world-cup These morons have got to be out of their minds. You can get a Sky+HD box, which includes a built in hard drive for only £49, and installation is free. On top of that the bitrate on satellite is considerably higher than the 6mbps that each channel is going to be broadcast at on DVB-T2. 6mbps is barley adequate for SD quality on DVD let alone HD. And to pay for this rubbish, are these ******* are going to cram the existing 5 terrestrial channels, plus BBC3/CBBC, BBC4/Cbeebies, BBC News, BBC Parliament, 3 BBC interactive streams and 12 BBC radio stations and the text service into 24mbps, averaging less than 2mbps each? And if not where are the other 8 channels (counting the radio stations as one channel) going to go? Whats your MP have to say about this?, if you can get his/her snout outa the trough for long enough;.. -- Tony Sayer |
National Mass Retuning Day
In article , Ivan
scribeth thus "David Hearn" wrote in message ... Agamemnon wrote: "J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009...view-retuning- world-cup These morons have got to be out of their minds. You can get a Sky+HD box, which includes a built in hard drive for only £49, and installation is free. £49, plus minimum of £26.25 per month for minimum of 12 months. So absolute minimum cost over the 12 months = £364. They give you the box for peanuts, because they hope you'll stay for longer than 1 year - each subsequent year they get another £315 off you. They probably recoup their costs in the first year, but hope you'll stay on for longer. Do you still lose the ability to record, or play back recorded programmes ones you've cancelled your subscription? If so, then you just end up with a glorified FreeSat box. Also bear in mind that the very mention of the words 'Sky' or 'Murdoch' has a similar effect on many people to that of 'Thatcher' on a dyed in the wool socialist. Meanwhile Arqiva have a bigger business and monopoly and no one bats an eyelid;!.. Its the Aussies revenge;!... -- Tony Sayer |
National Mass Retuning Day
J G Miller said the following on 21/05/2009 20:49:
A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup Remember the olden days when you'd get a plain screen announcing transmitter engineering works which will happen in a couple of months time and apologies for any inconvenience caused? After it was done, that would be it for a long time. Wouldn't it be nice for a governing body to suspend channel renaming and frequency shifting and for it to be done all on one day. |
National Mass Retuning Day
In article , Richard Brooks
wrote: Remember the olden days when you'd get a plain screen announcing transmitter engineering works which will happen in a couple of months time and apologies for any inconvenience caused? After it was done, that would be it for a long time. Wouldn't it be nice for a governing body to suspend channel renaming and frequency shifting and for it to be done all on one day. no telly for a whole day - you'd have a riot ;-) -- From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 |
National Mass Retuning Day
Remember the olden days when you'd get a plain screen announcing
transmitter engineering works which will happen in a couple of months time and apologies for any inconvenience caused? Cue grams "Walk and Talk" -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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tony sayer wrote:
Also bear in mind that the very mention of the words 'Sky' or 'Murdoch' has a similar effect on many people to that of 'Thatcher' on a dyed in the wool socialist. Meanwhile Arqiva have a bigger business and monopoly and no one bats an eyelid;!.. Its the Aussies revenge;!... Not really. Arqiva might have cornered the transmission market, but that market is being slowly replaced by satellite and broadband over 3G and 4G. The BBC and other broadcasters know this, hence the large investment in those technologies. |
National Mass Retuning Day
"Ivan" wrote in message ... "J G Miller" wrote in message ... A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. I'm a protestant will it affect me? Only if you have been circumcised Steve Terry |
National Mass Retuning Day
On 22 Maj, 01:45, "kim" wrote:
J G Miller wrote: A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retun.... Nearer £300 with a hard drive I suspect? (kim) I posted this on digitalspy http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...7&postcount=21 Where 'Ilse Howling, the managing director of Freeview' is quoted - May 4. - for the £200, NOT for a Freeview box - but a Freeview + HD box. It took me 3-4 minutes and Google to find this article and the quote. Lars :) PS! PSB-3 HD channels will share 36.1 Mbps or 11.5 Mbps each (+ overhead 1-2 Mbps) Later in 2010 4 channels will use 8.5 Mbps. |
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South Downs wrote:
tony sayer wrote: Also bear in mind that the very mention of the words 'Sky' or 'Murdoch' has a similar effect on many people to that of 'Thatcher' on a dyed in the wool socialist. Meanwhile Arqiva have a bigger business and monopoly and no one bats an eyelid;!.. Its the Aussies revenge;!... Not really. Arqiva might have cornered the transmission market, but that market is being slowly replaced by satellite and broadband over 3G and 4G. The BBC and other broadcasters know this, hence the large investment in those technologies. Arqiva also supply the BBC with OB Trucks, studio facilities, and (via sister company Red Bee) playout and subtitling. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. http://www.paras.org.uk/ |
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On 22 Maj, 14:32, Mark Carver wrote:
There's a deep recession on if you haven't noticed ! And ? - The C4 ITV problems are related to income - not expenses. Its an advertising based businessmodel that breaks in all recessions - currently in the UK and almost everywhere. In the US newpapers are dying - for the very same reason. This has nothing to do with DTT transmissions of HD in the UK. The BBC have the same income (and the government do print money). MUX-B must pass DSO and the cost will be next to identical for DVB-T and DVB-T2. Consumers may buy a few boxes more or less - who cares as long as the BBC-1 is universally available. Lars :) |
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In article , South Downs
[email protected]?.? scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: Also bear in mind that the very mention of the words 'Sky' or 'Murdoch' has a similar effect on many people to that of 'Thatcher' on a dyed in the wool socialist. Meanwhile Arqiva have a bigger business and monopoly and no one bats an eyelid;!.. Its the Aussies revenge;!... Not really. Arqiva might have cornered the transmission market, but that market is being slowly replaced by satellite and broadband over 3G and 4G. The BBC and other broadcasters know this, hence the large investment in those technologies. Come on now .. that may happen one day but at the moment a lot of the country is staggering along with very poor ADSL over 100 year old copper delivery and theres a lot of places barely 30 miles from London where 2G voice is **** poor still!.. Also Arqiva have cornered the market for the delivery of 3 and whatever G mobile as they own a lot of the infrastructure do it with... -- Tony Sayer |
National Mass Retuning Day
J G Miller wrote:
A National Mass Retuning Day has been proposed. And DVB-t2/MPEG-4 boxes are to be priced at GBP 200 (claims The Grauniad) http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2009/may/20/digital-tv-freeview-retuning-world-cup Let me get this right - at the moment there are no DVB-T2 boxes available. There won't be any until maybe Q4 this year. So in the 6 months following that they hope to roll out maybe 10 million boxes for all the footy nuts in the UK? In the middle of a recession, when they haven't got any money? Andy |
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On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:04:36 +0100, Andy Champ wrote:
So in the 6 months following that they hope to roll out maybe 10 million boxes for all the footy nuts in the UK? In the middle of a recession, when they haven't got any money? Consumer driven economic recovery? ;) |
National Mass Retuning Day
On 22 Maj, 22:04, Andy Champ wrote:
Let me get this right - at the moment there are no DVB-T2 boxes available.. There won't be any until maybe Q4 this year. Nobody will need then before Q4. So in the 6 months following that they hope to roll out maybe 10 million boxes for all the footy nuts in the UK? *In the middle of a recession, when they haven't got any money? Andy Nobody expect all 10 million households to be 'footy nuts' and buy a new receiver in the first 6 months - even though this would not present any larger logistical problem than delivering say a box or 'Kellogg's' for 10 million households. Nobody cares if some viewers cannot afford a new box in 6 months, in 12 or ever. I hope HD is NOT on the list of 'must have' at social security offices. The HD broadcast is a service that will be offered for free but it will have a small initial cost - say £100 - for a STB, if you or others want to use this service - end of story. Its just TV - not life or death. Lars :) |
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wrote:
So in the 6 months following that they hope to roll out maybe 10 million boxes for all the footy nuts in the UK? In the middle of a recession, when they haven't got any money? Andy Nobody expect all 10 million households to be 'footy nuts' and buy a new receiver in the first 6 months - even though this would not present any larger logistical problem than delivering say a box or 'Kellogg's' for 10 million households. I think you'll find anybody who is a 'Footy Nut' already has Sky ? Any HD inclined 'Footy Nut' will already have (or will soon upgrade to) Sky HD. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 08:17:18 -0700, reslfj wrote:
I hope HD is NOT on the list of 'must have' at social security offices. It is if you live in The Netherlands. http://www.shortnews.COM/start.cfm?id=74409 |
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Mark Carver wrote:
I think you'll find anybody who is a 'Footy Nut' already has Sky ? Any HD inclined 'Footy Nut' will already have (or will soon upgrade to) Sky HD. That's a good argument. So why are they concerned about getting HD on it ready for the world cup? Andy |
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Andy Champ wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: I think you'll find anybody who is a 'Footy Nut' already has Sky ? Any HD inclined 'Footy Nut' will already have (or will soon upgrade to) Sky HD. That's a good argument. So why are they concerned about getting HD on it ready for the world cup? Perhaps because the World Cup is one of the most popular sporting events that BSkyB don't have exclusive rights to ? Rights in Europe are still held by the PSBs through their EBU membership (BBC and ITV jointly for the UK). -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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