Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

On Saturday I recorded the stream of the Eurovision final on BBC1 and the
bit rate was only 3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two
semis on BBC3 were at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is
supposed to be fixed bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless the
bit rate was fixed as 3614kbps.

The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers were
all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from ringing
artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's flags
flooded into the white background.

Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also at
3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for You
the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as 3058kbps,
whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at 2888kbps.

The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the same
day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.

Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG ****
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of SD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?

And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite
and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

Why have the BBC reduced the bandwidth of BBC1 from 4500kbps to barely over
3000kbps?

I hope the House of Commons freezes, or betters still reduces the BBC
licence fee because that's what they deserve after having done this.

Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite

Continental satellite from most all state broadcasters is very good
indeed, especially radio;)...

and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

Why have the BBC reduced the bandwidth of BBC1 from 4500kbps to barely over
3000kbps?

I hope the House of Commons freezes, or betters still reduces the BBC
licence fee because that's what they deserve after having done this.


;)...

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Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

On May 20, 12:26*pm, "Agamemnon" wrote:
On Saturday I recorded the stream of the Eurovision final on BBC1 and the
bit rate was only 3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two
semis on BBC3 were at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is
supposed to be fixed bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless the
bit rate was fixed as 3614kbps.

The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers were
all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from ringing
artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's flags
flooded into the white background.

Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also at
3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for You
the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as 3058kbps,
whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at 2888kbps.

The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the same
day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.

Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG ****
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of SD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?

And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite
and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

Why have the BBC reduced the bandwidth of BBC1 from 4500kbps to barely over
3000kbps?

I hope the House of Commons freezes, or betters still reduces the BBC
licence fee because that's what they deserve after having done this.

Is there an echo in here?

Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

Who runs the actual bandwidths though? Do they have to pay more for more?
Its the same story on dab as we all know.
I have a nasty sneaking feeling that also, some of the fm feeds to radio are
now from a dab source as they sound just as gritty.
Do they think everyone is deaf?
Brian

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"Agamemnon" wrote in message
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On Saturday I recorded the stream of the Eurovision final on BBC1 and the
bit rate was only 3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two
semis on BBC3 were at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is
supposed to be fixed bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless
the bit rate was fixed as 3614kbps.

The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers
were all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from
ringing artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's
flags flooded into the white background.

Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also
at 3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for
You the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as
3058kbps, whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at
2888kbps.

The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the
same day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.

Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG ****
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of SD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?

And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the
pictures were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem,
it's the BBC's transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than
continental satellite and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality
U-Matic. Is this what the BBC wants to do?

Why have the BBC reduced the bandwidth of BBC1 from 4500kbps to barely
over 3000kbps?

I hope the House of Commons freezes, or betters still reduces the BBC
licence fee because that's what they deserve after having done this.

Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

Agamemnon wrote:

and BBC1 is supposed to be fixed bit-rate at 4500kbps.

It was only ever 4.5 Mb/s FBR in England (excluding London). Now AIUI
it's stat muxed in all DTT nations and regions. The Chelsea Flower Show
looked particularly crap the other night. You're better off using D-Sat
for BBC 1 now.



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Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the
pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the
BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite

Continental satellite from most all state broadcasters is very good
indeed, especially radio;)...

You must be joking. It's complete rubbish. Look at the inserts of the
coverage of Jade from the Greek state broadcaster's Eurovision selection
final. The picture quality was as appalling both on the original broadcast
on satellite and on the footage they gave to the BBC which was worse than
U-Matic quality and looked like it had been compressed at 1000kbps.


and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what
the
BBC wants to do?

Why have the BBC reduced the bandwidth of BBC1 from 4500kbps to barely
over
3000kbps?

I hope the House of Commons freezes, or betters still reduces the BBC
licence fee because that's what they deserve after having done this.


;)...

--
Tony Sayer

Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

In article , Agamemnon
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the
pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the
BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite

Continental satellite from most all state broadcasters is very good
indeed, especially radio;)...

You must be joking. It's complete rubbish. Look at the inserts of the
coverage of Jade from the Greek state broadcaster's Eurovision selection
final. The picture quality was as appalling both on the original broadcast
on satellite and on the footage they gave to the BBC which was worse than
U-Matic quality and looked like it had been compressed at 1000kbps.


Jeezzz ... the Eurotwaddle song farce isn't what I was referring to..

Thats crap whichever way you look .. or listen to it and should be put
out of its misery its the biggest most embarrassing broadcast joke
around;!...


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Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Continental satellite from most all state broadcasters is very good
indeed, especially radio;)...

You must be very selective in what you've looked at - most of the
'foreign' stuff I've looked at off satellite is appalling. Sound
especially. The 'arab' channels seem to think the norm is to wind
everything up until it distorts. And then some.

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Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Continental satellite from most all state broadcasters is very good
indeed, especially radio;)...

You must be very selective in what you've looked at - most of the
'foreign' stuff I've looked at off satellite is appalling. Sound
especially. The 'arab' channels seem to think the norm is to wind
everything up until it distorts. And then some.


I thought we were discussing "European" broadcasters David and state
ones such as France Musique and Bayern Klassik 4 etc..

Not some tinpot ones..
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Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV
 

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
You must be very selective in what you've looked at - most of the
'foreign' stuff I've looked at off satellite is appalling. Sound
especially. The 'arab' channels seem to think the norm is to wind
everything up until it distorts. And then some.


I thought we were discussing "European" broadcasters David and state
ones such as France Musique and Bayern Klassik 4 etc..

Not some tinpot ones..

That's fine if you consider 'continental' as just being France and Germany.

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