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Problem with BBC HD I player.
Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I
decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On May 19, 11:16*am, "Ivan" wrote:
Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, *I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. A faster computer running Vista = a slow computer :) I only have a laptop and have almost given up trying to get HD stuff to play on it. The picture quality is excellent, it just doesn't move very fast...... Have you tried downloading instead of streaming (is this possible with iPlayer?) |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
Mike wrote:
On May 19, 11:16 am, "Ivan" wrote: Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. A faster computer running Vista = a slow computer :) I only have a laptop and have almost given up trying to get HD stuff to play on it. The picture quality is excellent, it just doesn't move very fast...... Try doubling the amount of RAM used for the graphics display. (kim) |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"Mike" wrote in message ... On May 19, 11:16 am, "Ivan" wrote: Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. A faster computer running Vista = a slow computer :) I only have a laptop and have almost given up trying to get HD stuff to play on it. The picture quality is excellent, it just doesn't move very fast...... Have you tried downloading instead of streaming (is this possible with iPlayer?) Yes you can, although I haven't tried doing it with the HD player, only with the normal iPlayer, however why does it work OK with the Reginald Perrin programmes (using a Sony Vaio win XP laptop PC) but not with the Wainwright programmes?. if it is something awry at the BBC end, then I was wondering if maybe other users who have experienced similar problems could let me know. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In article , Ivan
scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... -- Tony Sayer |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... But why should one HD programme play fine and another not? |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... What I know about graphics cards could probably be written on a postage stamp, however this one at least appears to be pretty good value, got to be worth a try for £30.00.. HDMI/DVI, 512 megs of memory, and a PCI-E (which my mother board accepts) slot, very tempted to rush out and buy it now and let anyone interested know how I get on after fitting it. http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-84GS5 |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On May 19, 3:06*pm, "Ivan" wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, *I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... What I know about graphics cards could probably be written on a postage stamp, however this one at least appears to be pretty good value, got to be worth a try for £30.00.. HDMI/DVI, 512 megs of memory, and a PCI-E (which my mother board accepts) slot, very tempted to rush out and buy it now and let anyone interested know how I get on after fitting it. http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-84GS5 Would be worth checking other users results before your purchase. What is your current card and have you got the latest drivers and latest Flash installed? |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
Ivan wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... But why should one HD programme play fine and another not? Encrypted, possibly? (kim) |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"Mike" wrote in message ... On May 19, 3:06 pm, "Ivan" wrote: "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... What I know about graphics cards could probably be written on a postage stamp, however this one at least appears to be pretty good value, got to be worth a try for £30.00.. HDMI/DVI, 512 megs of memory, and a PCI-E (which my mother board accepts) slot, very tempted to rush out and buy it now and let anyone interested know how I get on after fitting it. http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-84GS5 Would be worth checking other users results before your purchase. What is your current card and have you got the latest drivers and latest Flash installed? -----------------------------------oOo------------------------------------ Too late to I'm afraid, it's here in front of me, begging to have its pristine little cellophane wrapper ripped off of its colourful box! My old card is a Chrome 9 manufactured by S3 graphics, I did update the drivers at the beginning of the year, I also reinstalled Flash only a couple of days ago, as for some reason best known to itself the standard player suddenly decided that it wasn't going to play unless I downloaded the latest software. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"Ivan" wrote in message ... "Mike" wrote in message ... On May 19, 3:06 pm, "Ivan" wrote: "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... What I know about graphics cards could probably be written on a postage stamp, however this one at least appears to be pretty good value, got to be worth a try for £30.00.. HDMI/DVI, 512 megs of memory, and a PCI-E (which my mother board accepts) slot, very tempted to rush out and buy it now and let anyone interested know how I get on after fitting it. http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-84GS5 Would be worth checking other users results before your purchase. What is your current card and have you got the latest drivers and latest Flash installed? -----------------------------------oOo------------------------------------ Too late to I'm afraid, it's here in front of me, begging to have its pristine little cellophane wrapper ripped off of its colourful box! My old card is a Chrome 9 manufactured by S3 graphics, I update the drivers at the beginning of the year, I also reinstalled Flash only a couple of days ago, as for some reason best known to itself the standard player suddenly decided that it wasn't going to play unless I downloaded the latest software. Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In article , Ivan
scribeth thus "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ivan scribeth thus Now that Virgin have recently upgraded their broadband speed to 10 megs I decided to take advantage of the BBC's HD Internet Service. I connected up my computer (via a D socket) to a 32 in HD TV and watched all four Reginald Perrin episodes and apart from the (un-zoomed) picture size being smaller than full screen the actual video quality was excellent. However when I attempt to watch Wainwright's Walks it just produces the programme in a series of jerky movements, almost as if it was running at about 10 fps (the sound remains OK) I checked out the broadband speed which shows a download speed of 9.87mb, I've also tried disabling hardware acceleration and even using a faster computer running Vista with two gigabytes of memory, with exactly the same results.. can anyone tell me what's happening please. We get that .. summat to do with needing the -right- graphics card IIRC... But why should one HD programme play fine and another not? Dunno ... Was it on a different sized screen display?.. -- Tony Sayer |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up
asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. I would have though that Jamie P could have cast some light on this?.. -- Tony Sayer |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"Jim Mason" wrote in message t... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In message , Ivan
writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message et... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? -- Ian |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On May 20, 8:33*am, "Ivan" wrote:
"Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In message
, Mike writes On May 20, 8:33*am, "Ivan" wrote: "Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. Agreed. -- Ian |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"Mike" wrote in message ... On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: "Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. I've got the hyper threading activated in the bios, the PC also has 2 GB of DDR2 RAM, and now 512MB on the graphics card, so I can't think what else I can do, other than maybe as a desperate last resort replace the Vista OS, as someone has 'jokingly' suggested:0) |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On May 20, 10:22*am, "Ivan" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: "Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. I've got the hyper threading activated in the bios, the PC also has 2 GB of DDR2 RAM, and now 512MB on the graphics card, so I can't think what else I can do, other than maybe as a desperate last resort replace the Vista OS, as someone has 'jokingly' suggested:0) XP is an upgrade from Vista. It really is. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On 20 May, 09:41, Mike wrote:
On May 20, 8:33*am, "Ivan" wrote: According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. No, it's at the limit. Two things to note: 1. The CPU/GPU load when decoding depends on the content of the programme. Static / head and shoulders shots are far easier to decode than the camera swooping over details rolling countryside (like at the start of Wainright's walks). 2. The web and download player used in iPlayer is desperately inefficient. I can't play the iPlayer HD content on my PC - both the website and the Adobe Air download play like a side show. However, comparable content (:-)) plays just fine in VLC - at least it does when stripped out of the FLV wrapper and sent as a pure MPEG-4 stream. I have a 2.8GHz processor that's otherwise the same as yours. So, your PC could play the BBC content perfectly - but not using the wrapper and player that the BBC forces you to use. Cheers, David. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In article
s.com, Mike scribeth thus On May 20, 10:22*am, "Ivan" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: "Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. I've got the hyper threading activated in the bios, the PC also has 2 GB of DDR2 RAM, and now 512MB on the graphics card, so I can't think what else I can do, other than maybe as a desperate last resort replace the Vista OS, as someone has 'jokingly' suggested:0) XP is an upgrade from Vista. It really is. WIN ME would come into that class.. Never thought I'd ever say that!.. Anyone tried LINUX as yet?.. -- Tony Sayer |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In article
..com, 2Bdecided scribeth thus On 20 May, 09:41, Mike wrote: On May 20, 8:33*am, "Ivan" wrote: According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. No, it's at the limit. Two things to note: 1. The CPU/GPU load when decoding depends on the content of the programme. Static / head and shoulders shots are far easier to decode than the camera swooping over details rolling countryside (like at the start of Wainright's walks). 2. The web and download player used in iPlayer is desperately inefficient. I can't play the iPlayer HD content on my PC - both the website and the Adobe Air download play like a side show. However, comparable content (:-)) plays just fine in VLC - at least it does when stripped out of the FLV wrapper and sent as a pure MPEG-4 stream. I have a 2.8GHz processor that's otherwise the same as yours. So, your PC could play the BBC content perfectly - but not using the wrapper and player that the BBC forces you to use. So why is a publicly funded broadcaster doing that?.. Cheers, David. -- Tony Sayer |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
tony sayer wrote:
In article .com, 2Bdecided scribeth thus On 20 May, 09:41, Mike wrote: On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. No, it's at the limit. Two things to note: 1. The CPU/GPU load when decoding depends on the content of the programme. Static / head and shoulders shots are far easier to decode than the camera swooping over details rolling countryside (like at the start of Wainright's walks). 2. The web and download player used in iPlayer is desperately inefficient. I can't play the iPlayer HD content on my PC - both the website and the Adobe Air download play like a side show. However, comparable content (:-)) plays just fine in VLC - at least it does when stripped out of the FLV wrapper and sent as a pure MPEG-4 stream. I have a 2.8GHz processor that's otherwise the same as yours. So, your PC could play the BBC content perfectly - but not using the wrapper and player that the BBC forces you to use. So why is a publicly funded broadcaster doing that?.. Because people wanted to use it on Macs and Linux... ;) D |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On May 20, 1:50*pm, tony sayer wrote:
In article s.com, Mike scribeth thus On May 20, 10:22*am, "Ivan" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message .... On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: "Ian" wrote in message ... In message , Ivan writes "Jim Mason" wrote in message . net... In article , says... Well I installed the new card and after I'd done so a BBC graphic popped up asking if I'd like to download the latest player, which I accepted, it did, I then selected the aforementioned Wainwright's Walks and.. D'oh! still the same, the problem gives the impression of movement jumping forward, almost as if half the fields had been removed, I checked the broadband download speed which was still reckoned to be 9.87 MB, I then got a little more involved and found some info which indicated that the programmes which run OK are 796 kbps 640x360 and the ones that don't are 3200kbps 1280x720, surely a 10 meg connection speed should be more than adequate? perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've tried to find help and instructions on the BBC HD site which may indicate whether the problem is with my equipment or ISP, but can't appear to find a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/diagnostics Thanks Jim, I ran the check and it came out at 100%. In fact I appear to have almost twice the broadband capacity required to play HD programmes, it seems that it's got to be something to do with my PC, but what, I confess I don't know. What's your processor speed? According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. I've got the hyper threading activated in the bios, the PC also has 2 GB of DDR2 RAM, and now 512MB on the graphics card, so I can't think what else I can do, other than maybe as a desperate last resort replace the Vista OS, as someone has 'jokingly' suggested:0) XP is an upgrade from Vista. It really is. WIN ME would come into that class.. Never thought I'd ever say that!.. Anyone tried LINUX as yet?.. Ubuntu rocks. I love it. I've got an older (5yrs?) Dell laptop and it whizzez all over my Vista and XP machines. You can even run ot from CD to see if you like it first :) |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"2Bdecided" wrote in message ... On 20 May, 09:41, Mike wrote: On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. No, it's at the limit. Two things to note: 1. The CPU/GPU load when decoding depends on the content of the programme. Static / head and shoulders shots are far easier to decode than the camera swooping over details rolling countryside (like at the start of Wainright's walks). 2. The web and download player used in iPlayer is desperately inefficient. I can't play the iPlayer HD content on my PC - both the website and the Adobe Air download play like a side show. However, comparable content (:-)) plays just fine in VLC - at least it does when stripped out of the FLV wrapper and sent as a pure MPEG-4 stream. I have a 2.8GHz processor that's otherwise the same as yours. So, your PC could play the BBC content perfectly - but not using the wrapper and player that the BBC forces you to use. Thanks for the explanation, I can at least now see why it's all going pear shaped, although it does leave me wondering exactly 'why' they bothered in the first place if it doesn't apparently work for the majority of online PC users. I downloaded and played back episode six of Wainright Walks and although it cured the 'slideshow' effect there was still a pronounced juddering on moving objects, especially noticeable on the 'panning' countryside shots. It also now looks as if Virginmedia are also beginning to take the ****, as earlier this morning the BBC download speed check showed around 10mb, since then its struggled to make 2.4mb with a streaming speed of 2.2mb, hopefully this is just a temporary glitch (as they're still upgrading different areas) however if it does start to become a regular feature then I suspect that they will soon start receiving large amounts of customer flak, including some from me! |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
Ivan wrote:
"2Bdecided" wrote in message ... On 20 May, 09:41, Mike wrote: On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. No, it's at the limit. Two things to note: 1. The CPU/GPU load when decoding depends on the content of the programme. Static / head and shoulders shots are far easier to decode than the camera swooping over details rolling countryside (like at the start of Wainright's walks). 2. The web and download player used in iPlayer is desperately inefficient. I can't play the iPlayer HD content on my PC - both the website and the Adobe Air download play like a side show. However, comparable content (:-)) plays just fine in VLC - at least it does when stripped out of the FLV wrapper and sent as a pure MPEG-4 stream. I have a 2.8GHz processor that's otherwise the same as yours. So, your PC could play the BBC content perfectly - but not using the wrapper and player that the BBC forces you to use. Thanks for the explanation, I can at least now see why it's all going pear shaped, although it does leave me wondering exactly 'why' they bothered in the first place if it doesn't apparently work for the majority of online PC users. I downloaded and played back episode six of Wainright Walks and although it cured the 'slideshow' effect there was still a pronounced juddering on moving objects, especially noticeable on the 'panning' countryside shots. It also now looks as if Virginmedia are also beginning to take the ****, as earlier this morning the BBC download speed check showed around 10mb, since then its struggled to make 2.4mb with a streaming speed of 2.2mb, hopefully this is just a temporary glitch (as they're still upgrading different areas) however if it does start to become a regular feature then I suspect that they will soon start receiving large amounts of customer flak, including some from me! Have you hit their usage limit? http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php If you're on the free upgrade to 10Mb, if you use 1.5GB during 10am to 3pm, you get throttled by 75% (so 10Mb connection becomes 2.5Mb connection) - you get throttled for up to 5 hours. During the evening (4pm to 9pm), the limit is 750MB down or 400MB up before throttling. D |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
On 20 May, 15:59, "Ivan" wrote:
I downloaded and played back episode six of Wainright Walks and although it cured the 'slideshow' effect there was still a pronounced juddering on moving objects, especially noticeable on the 'panning' countryside shots. That's just how it's encoded. It's only 25p (not 50i or 50p, which would be nice), so it's less smooth than normal video to start with. Unless your PC monitor's refresh rate is an integer multiple of 25 (i.e. 50, 75, 100 etc) you'll get horrible judder due to frame rate conversion. Unless you video playback is frame-locked to the monitor, you'll get occasional hic-ups even when the frame rates are supposed to match. Google Powerstrip, ReClock etc. Cheers, David. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... Ivan wrote: It also now looks as if Virginmedia are also beginning to take the ****, as earlier this morning the BBC download speed check showed around 10mb, since then its struggled to make 2.4mb with a streaming speed of 2.2mb, hopefully this is just a temporary glitch (as they're still upgrading different areas) however if it does start to become a regular feature then I suspect that they will soon start receiving large amounts of customer flak, including some from me! Have you hit their usage limit? http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php If you're on the free upgrade to 10Mb, if you use 1.5GB during 10am to 3pm, you get throttled by 75% (so 10Mb connection becomes 2.5Mb connection) - you get throttled for up to 5 hours. During the evening (4pm to 9pm), the limit is 750MB down or 400MB up before throttling. No mention at all of any limitations when the bearded one 'personally':o) emailed me with information of the upgrade, which incidentally a friend of mine reckons that it 'isn't' free, as he says that he was told over the phone that it's going to cost everyone £2.00 a month extra, irrespective of whether they wanted to upgrade or not. |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
In article , David Hearn
scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article .com, 2Bdecided scribeth thus On 20 May, 09:41, Mike wrote: On May 20, 8:33 am, "Ivan" wrote: According to System Tools it's an: 'Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20 GHz 3200 MHz 1 core(s) 2 logical processes' 2 logical processors - Hyper Threading - Should have enough grunt. No, it's at the limit. Two things to note: 1. The CPU/GPU load when decoding depends on the content of the programme. Static / head and shoulders shots are far easier to decode than the camera swooping over details rolling countryside (like at the start of Wainright's walks). 2. The web and download player used in iPlayer is desperately inefficient. I can't play the iPlayer HD content on my PC - both the website and the Adobe Air download play like a side show. However, comparable content (:-)) plays just fine in VLC - at least it does when stripped out of the FLV wrapper and sent as a pure MPEG-4 stream. I have a 2.8GHz processor that's otherwise the same as yours. So, your PC could play the BBC content perfectly - but not using the wrapper and player that the BBC forces you to use. So why is a publicly funded broadcaster doing that?.. Because people wanted to use it on Macs and Linux... ;) D So LINUX can't handle a streaming video feed then?.. -- Tony Sayer |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"2Bdecided" wrote in message ... On 20 May, 15:59, "Ivan" wrote: I downloaded and played back episode six of Wainright Walks and although it cured the 'slideshow' effect there was still a pronounced juddering on moving objects, especially noticeable on the 'panning' countryside shots. That's just how it's encoded. It's only 25p (not 50i or 50p, which would be nice), so it's less smooth than normal video to start with. Unless your PC monitor's refresh rate is an integer multiple of 25 (i.e. 50, 75, 100 etc) you'll get horrible judder due to frame rate conversion. Unless you video playback is frame-locked to the monitor, you'll get occasional hic-ups even when the frame rates are supposed to match. Google Powerstrip, ReClock etc. I'm using a 26" Philips LCD Matchline TV as a monitor set to its (almost) maximum refresh rate of 75. Although as downloading a 30 minute HD (sic) TV programme during the hours of daylight apparently breaks the Virginmedia rules and will result in my connection being throttled back to 2.4mb, it's now becoming abundantly clear that all of the guff we see, read and hear about broadband taking over as 'the' replacement TV delivery service isn't likely to happen anytime soon, well not in my lifetime anyway! |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
tony sayer wrote:
So why is a publicly funded broadcaster doing that?.. Because people wanted to use it on Macs and Linux... ;) So LINUX can't handle a streaming video feed then?.. They could produce one app for all platforms. No, it shouldn't have been beyond the wit of man to port it, but... Andy |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
Mike wrote (apparently) in uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed 20 May 2009
15:39:17: Ubuntu rocks. I love it. I've got an older (5yrs?) Dell laptop and it whizzez all over my Vista and XP machines. You can even run ot from CD to see if you like it first :) If you can't be bothered, you can install it dual-boot via http://wubi-installer.org/index.php It'll download the right bits and set the boot menu up. Got it on my "development" laptop and it's very good. -- MrGuest Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
Ivan wrote:
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... Ivan wrote: It also now looks as if Virginmedia are also beginning to take the ****, as earlier this morning the BBC download speed check showed around 10mb, since then its struggled to make 2.4mb with a streaming speed of 2.2mb, hopefully this is just a temporary glitch (as they're still upgrading different areas) however if it does start to become a regular feature then I suspect that they will soon start receiving large amounts of customer flak, including some from me! Have you hit their usage limit? http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php If you're on the free upgrade to 10Mb, if you use 1.5GB during 10am to 3pm, you get throttled by 75% (so 10Mb connection becomes 2.5Mb connection) - you get throttled for up to 5 hours. During the evening (4pm to 9pm), the limit is 750MB down or 400MB up before throttling. No mention at all of any limitations when the bearded one 'personally':o) emailed me with information of the upgrade, which incidentally a friend of mine reckons that it 'isn't' free, as he says that he was told over the phone that it's going to cost everyone £2.00 a month extra, irrespective of whether they wanted to upgrade or not. Those limits were in place on the 2Mb line too, in fact, they've been there for quite a long time on most products (I think it was the 64Kb service which didn't have limits). As you say, the M sized broadband was increased in price by £2pm, along with a number of other packages and deals. In the case of the M package, they also promised to (sometime) upgrade you to 10Mb from 2Mb. D |
Problem with BBC HD I player.
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... Ivan wrote: "David Hearn" wrote in message ... Ivan wrote: It also now looks as if Virginmedia are also beginning to take the ****, as earlier this morning the BBC download speed check showed around 10mb, since then its struggled to make 2.4mb with a streaming speed of 2.2mb, hopefully this is just a temporary glitch (as they're still upgrading different areas) however if it does start to become a regular feature then I suspect that they will soon start receiving large amounts of customer flak, including some from me! Have you hit their usage limit? http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php If you're on the free upgrade to 10Mb, if you use 1.5GB during 10am to 3pm, you get throttled by 75% (so 10Mb connection becomes 2.5Mb connection) - you get throttled for up to 5 hours. During the evening (4pm to 9pm), the limit is 750MB down or 400MB up before throttling. No mention at all of any limitations when the bearded one 'personally':o) emailed me with information of the upgrade, which incidentally a friend of mine reckons that it 'isn't' free, as he says that he was told over the phone that it's going to cost everyone £2.00 a month extra, irrespective of whether they wanted to upgrade or not. Those limits were in place on the 2Mb line too, in fact, they've been there for quite a long time on most products (I think it was the 64Kb service which didn't have limits). As you say, the M sized broadband was increased in price by £2pm, along with a number of other packages and deals. In the case of the M package, they also promised to (sometime) upgrade you to 10Mb from 2Mb. Can I thank you and everyone else on this thread who have taken the trouble to reply to my original query, especially as I now understand so much more about what was going on than I did yesterday, which goes to prove that these groups 'can' work really well, especially when they don't degenerate into endless willy waving and petty squabbles. |
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