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Fred March 2nd 09 12:22 AM

Viewing distance?
 
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)




dan March 2nd 09 01:21 AM

Viewing distance?
 
Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)



Do you find you are both squinting with your good eyes to see the TV?
(serious question). I see lots of detail on my 65". You're missing a
lot with a 32" HDTV at 10-12 foot with vision problems. Try it at about
2-3 feet to see what I am seeing. If that's bragging, then so be it.

dan

rjn March 2nd 09 01:49 AM

Viewing distance?
 
Fred wrote:

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


It depends on what you are watching.

Content created for theatrical exhibition is expected
to be displayed to an audience at 1 to 3 PH (picture heights)
from the screen. That's either a big HDTV, or a close one.

Why are homes going to bigger TVs? Well, apart from the
fact that large LCDs are absurdly cheap in inflation-adjusted
historical terms, the fact is that prior to HD content, a big or
close screen meant big fuzzy pixels. NTSC was designed
for a PH of 7, which you might reduce to 4 with broadcast-
quality content.

--
Regards, Bob Niland
http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com
NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

Jer March 2nd 09 04:07 AM

Viewing distance?
 
Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)





Gee whiz Fred, there's nothing wrong with people liking small TV
screens, or big TV screens, or in between TV screens. We don't need
tham, we just want them. So long as the kids have shoes and food, why not?

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Jan B March 2nd 09 06:34 AM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:21:46 GMT, dan wrote:

Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)

Do you find you are both squinting with your good eyes to see the TV?
(serious question). I see lots of detail on my 65". You're missing a
lot with a 32" HDTV at 10-12 foot with vision problems. Try it at about
2-3 feet to see what I am seeing. If that's bragging, then so be it.


Well, overdoing is not a good thing either.
If the panel you have is a direct view 65" panel in 1080 resolution,
the pixel pith in the panel is about 0.75mm.

People with normal eye sight will see the pixel structure also at a
longer distance than the 5 feet you seem to suggest.

Seeing the pixel structure is not a good thing becuse that is not part
of the picture details. To give a smooth natural looking picture, the
pixels should just blend toghether.

My rule of thumb says that with a 65" 1080 panel you should try a
distance around 10 feet.
/Jan

Naked Gonad March 2nd 09 09:23 AM

Viewing distance?
 
Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)



With our larger screen,we can watch TV without our glasses on and
watching football is now a much better experience.Bragging has got
nothing to do with it.

Charles Tomaras March 2nd 09 09:51 AM

Viewing distance?
 

"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.



Naked Gonad March 2nd 09 09:59 AM

Viewing distance?
 
Charles Tomaras wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.

Thumper March 2nd 09 02:48 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:49:05 -0800 (PST), rjn
wrote:

Fred wrote:

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


It depends on what you are watching.

Content created for theatrical exhibition is expected
to be displayed to an audience at 1 to 3 PH (picture heights)
from the screen. That's either a big HDTV, or a close one.

Why are homes going to bigger TVs? Well, apart from the
fact that large LCDs are absurdly cheap in inflation-adjusted
historical terms, the fact is that prior to HD content, a big or
close screen meant big fuzzy pixels. NTSC was designed
for a PH of 7, which you might reduce to 4 with broadcast-
quality content.


Homes are going to bigger tvs because homes are bigger now.
Thumper

Thumper March 2nd 09 02:50 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:59:03 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Charles Tomaras wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.


Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper

Naked Gonad March 2nd 09 05:51 PM

Viewing distance?
 
Thumper wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:59:03 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Charles Tomaras wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)
All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.


Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper


Strange because our bedroom TV is a 22" and we are about 1ft closer than
our lounge TV,which is a 42" and I have no problem reading text on the
screen.The distance we watch in the lounge is about 9ft....ish.

Charles Tomaras March 2nd 09 07:14 PM

Viewing distance?
 

"Naked Gonad" wrote in message
...


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.


Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper


Strange because our bedroom TV is a 22" and we are about 1ft closer than
our lounge TV,which is a 42" and I have no problem reading text on the
screen.The distance we watch in the lounge is about 9ft....ish.


I think it's not as much about being able to read text than it is about
having an immersive or theatrical experience. Many people do not look for
that at home or in a bedroom....that is of course their preference. I
personally have difficulty having an immersive experience that distance from
a screen of that size. I have a 58" plasma in my living area that I view
from about 12 feet and I'm happily immersed. I have a 32" LCD in my bedroom
I watch from about the same distance and it's more for news and late night
comedy shows.



dmaster March 2nd 09 07:36 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 1, 5:22*pm, Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


I don't care about bragging rights. With glasses, my eyes adjust to a
little better than 20/20. Still, like every human being, my eyes have
a limited resolution. The eye resolution is described as pixels or
line pairs per degrees of arc. The farther the TV, the smaller it
looks (subtends less degrees of arc), and the less actual detail the
eye can perceive. Of, if you fix the distance, the smaller the TV at
a given distance the smaller it looks and the less actual detail the
eye can perceive. So, for any given size of TV, there is a distance
over which the human eye can no longer distinguish HD from SD. That
won't make the picture look bad, but why pay for HD if you can't see
it? Part of the enjoyment of HDTV is the "wow, look at the detail"
aspect.

So, if you don't care if you can see the extra detail, that's fine.
Enjoy your TV. But with a little imagination, you should be able to
see why some people would pay for a bigger TV.

Dan (Woj...)

dmaster March 2nd 09 07:41 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 2, 2:51*am, "Charles Tomaras" wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message

...

My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.


I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.


I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.


That's a good point. When we first got our Plasma TV, my mother-in-
law came to see it, and pooh-poohed the thing. Her (old analog) TV at
home had just as good a picture, she said. Two years later, same
mother-in-law saw the same Plasma TV from the same chair, but she had
recently had her cataracts removed. After oohing and ahing over the
wonderful picture, she insisted that father-in-law replace their home
TVs with "a TV like that".

I suspect that virtually anyone who can see the difference between HD
and SD will want HD, assuming they can afford it and can fit it in
their home.

Dan (Woj...)

Big_Al March 2nd 09 09:18 PM

Viewing distance?
 
dmaster said this on 3/2/2009 1:36 PM:
On Mar 1, 5:22 pm, Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


I don't care about bragging rights. With glasses, my eyes adjust to a
little better than 20/20. Still, like every human being, my eyes have
a limited resolution. The eye resolution is described as pixels or
line pairs per degrees of arc. The farther the TV, the smaller it
looks (subtends less degrees of arc), and the less actual detail the
eye can perceive. Of, if you fix the distance, the smaller the TV at
a given distance the smaller it looks and the less actual detail the
eye can perceive. So, for any given size of TV, there is a distance
over which the human eye can no longer distinguish HD from SD. That
won't make the picture look bad, but why pay for HD if you can't see
it? Part of the enjoyment of HDTV is the "wow, look at the detail"
aspect.

So, if you don't care if you can see the extra detail, that's fine.
Enjoy your TV. But with a little imagination, you should be able to
see why some people would pay for a bigger TV.

Dan (Woj...)


I disagree. A fuzzy picture 5 feet away looks as bad as a fuzzy picture
20 feet away. My vision is 20/30 and a low res SD picture is not
friendly to my eyes. I don't care if its on the 13" or the 42", or what
distance I have to be. Its not clear and my eyes will never get it any
better than "not clear".


Jim Wilkins March 2nd 09 10:16 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 2, 8:50*am, Thumper wrote:
....
Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper


This 22" is at 2' computer-monitor distance, and sharp enough to read
2 full pages of text side by side. It's about the same size and
resolution as an open magazine; fine for one, crowded for two. 4' is
still reasonable, at 5' and beyond it looks small.

Thumper March 2nd 09 10:16 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:51:55 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Thumper wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:59:03 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Charles Tomaras wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)
All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.


Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper


Strange because our bedroom TV is a 22" and we are about 1ft closer than
our lounge TV,which is a 42" and I have no problem reading text on the
screen.The distance we watch in the lounge is about 9ft....ish.



Then you must be far sighted. I have a 22" screen and 20/20 vision
and can't read the crawl most of the time.
Thumper

Naked Gonad March 2nd 09 10:32 PM

Viewing distance?
 
Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Mar 2, 8:50 am, Thumper wrote:
...
Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper


This 22" is at 2' computer-monitor distance, and sharp enough to read
2 full pages of text side by side. It's about the same size and
resolution as an open magazine; fine for one, crowded for two. 4' is
still reasonable, at 5' and beyond it looks small.


Ah! computer text is a different issue and yes I agree with your
synopsis.

Naked Gonad March 2nd 09 10:33 PM

Viewing distance?
 
Thumper wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:51:55 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Thumper wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:59:03 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Charles Tomaras wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)
All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no reason for
you to brag about it.


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.
Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper

Strange because our bedroom TV is a 22" and we are about 1ft closer than
our lounge TV,which is a 42" and I have no problem reading text on the
screen.The distance we watch in the lounge is about 9ft....ish.



Then you must be far sighted. I have a 22" screen and 20/20 vision
and can't read the crawl most of the time.
Thumper


Are you in the UK or US?

metspitzer[_2_] March 3rd 09 01:25 AM

Viewing distance?
 
On 01 Mar 2009 23:22:00 GMT, Fred wrote:

My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from


I have a closet that large. grin


and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)



Fred March 3rd 09 01:29 AM

Viewing distance?
 
Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and
have little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.
I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)





Gee whiz Fred, there's nothing wrong with people liking small TV
screens, or big TV screens, or in between TV screens. We don't need
tham, we just want them. So long as the kids have shoes and food, why not?


For the same reason i wouldnt buy a frigging semi when all I need is a pickup truck
I'm saying IMHO that many people buy way bigger than need just to keep up with the
Jones's and as I said for bragging rights. It sure aint because you can't see a
smaller set.


--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'





[email protected] March 3rd 09 02:50 AM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 2, 4:29*pm, Fred wrote:
Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye.

I have CSR and
have little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.
I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit

10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such

big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.


I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


Gee whiz Fred, there's nothing wrong with people liking small TV
screens, or big TV screens, or in between TV screens. *We don't

need
tham, we just want them. *So long as the kids have shoes and food,

why not?

For the same reason i wouldnt buy a frigging semi when all I need

is a pickup truck
I'm saying IMHO that many people buy way bigger than need just to

keep up with the
Jones's and as I said for bragging rights. It sure aint because you

can't see a
smaller set.



--
jer


We came from a 35" Mitsubishi SD CRT set to a 50" Samsung DLP 5 years
back . It seemed like a big step up but at this point I wish it had
been a 60 or 70+ inch screen - for the same reason thare are seats
near AND far in the movie theatre. Different folks want different
stuff. "*So long as the kids have shoes and food, why not? "






Jim Wilkins March 3rd 09 03:18 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 2, 7:29*pm, Fred wrote:
Fred wrote:

For the same reason i wouldnt buy a frigging semi when all I need is a pickup truck
I'm saying IMHO that many people buy way bigger than need just to keep up with the
Jones's and as I said for bragging rights. It sure aint because you can't see a
smaller set.


Or maybe they entertain the Joneses. The bigger the screen, the more
people that can sit beside each other to watch.

Thumper March 3rd 09 10:44 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On 03 Mar 2009 00:29:10 GMT, Fred wrote:

Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and
have little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.
I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)





Gee whiz Fred, there's nothing wrong with people liking small TV
screens, or big TV screens, or in between TV screens. We don't need
tham, we just want them. So long as the kids have shoes and food, why not?


For the same reason i wouldnt buy a frigging semi when all I need is a pickup truck
I'm saying IMHO that many people buy way bigger than need just to keep up with the
Jones's and as I said for bragging rights. It sure aint because you can't see a
smaller set.


I think you are wrong. Just because someone buys something bigger
than you doesn't mean they do it for bragging rights. You seem like
you must justify buying a smaller set. People buy what they like.
Isn't that enough for you? Do people buy Cadillacs versus Toyotas for
bragging rights? Hardly.
Thumper
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'





L Alpert March 4th 09 01:45 AM

Viewing distance?
 

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I
have CSR and
have little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.
I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit
10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big
screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)





Gee whiz Fred, there's nothing wrong with people liking small TV
screens, or big TV screens, or in between TV screens. We don't need
tham, we just want them. So long as the kids have shoes and food,
why not?


For the same reason i wouldnt buy a frigging semi when all I need is
a pickup truck
I'm saying IMHO that many people buy way bigger than need just to
keep up with the
Jones's and as I said for bragging rights. It sure aint because you
can't see a
smaller set.


Or maybe we have houses that are too big with rooms that are too big.
I have a 73" screen, and the seating is anywhere from 12 ft to 25 ft
away.

It seems to be just about right for my application. If anything, it's
a little on the small side....!


--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'







[email protected] March 4th 09 04:46 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009, 11:22pm (EST+5) (Fred) said:

"My wife has had a detached retina and can't see
out of that eye. I have CSR and have little vision
in one eye and don't see great with the other.


"...WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such
big screens?"


What is "wrong" with us people is that we do not have detached retinas
or CSR, so we CAN see what you and your wife are unable to.

I'm sorry to be so blunt and insensitive, but it was YOU who opened the
door by suggesting that there is something wrong with us, and expressed
it with filthy language ("WTF").


dmaster March 4th 09 07:08 PM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 2, 2:18*pm, Big_Al wrote:
dmaster said this on 3/2/2009 1:36 PM:





On Mar 1, 5:22 pm, Fred wrote:
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye. I have CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.


I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit 10 to 12 ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big screens? I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.


I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)


I don't care about bragging rights. *With glasses, my eyes adjust to a
little better than 20/20. Still, like every human being, my eyes have
a limited resolution. *The eye resolution is described as pixels or
line pairs per degrees of arc. *The farther the TV, the smaller it
looks (subtends less degrees of arc), and the less actual detail the
eye can perceive. *Of, if you fix the distance, the smaller the TV at
a given distance the smaller it looks and the less actual detail the
eye can perceive. *So, for any given size of TV, there is a distance
over which the human eye can no longer distinguish HD from SD. *That
won't make the picture look bad, but why pay for HD if you can't see
it? *Part of the enjoyment of HDTV is the "wow, look at the detail"
aspect.


So, if you don't care if you can see the extra detail, that's fine.
Enjoy your TV. *But with a little imagination, you should be able to
see why some people would pay for a bigger TV.


Dan (Woj...)


I disagree. *A fuzzy picture 5 feet away looks as bad as a fuzzy picture
20 feet away. * *My vision is 20/30 and a low res SD picture is not
friendly to my eyes. *I don't care if its on the 13" or the 42", or what
distance I have to be. *Its not clear and my eyes will never get it any
better than "not clear".- Hide quoted text -

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Try a little experiment. I did this with my family. I took a good
digital photo and ran it through a mosaic filter to create a really
blocky, mosaic like picture. Not even close to a photo; no way, no
how. I printed the mosaic at 6x8 and propped it on a counter. The
family gathered around, took a look at the picture, and agreed that it
couldn't possibly be mistaken for a photograph. I then had them look
at the picture and slowly back away. To their total astonishment, at
some distance like 15 feet, the picture suddenly looked photographic
again. They had simply reached the distance where even a truly crude
picture passed the limitted angular resolution of our human eyes.
That distance will vary depending on eyesight, but it will occur. The
same will happen with happen with SD displays, or SD pictures on HD
displays. At some point the resolution of the human eye becomes the
limiting factor.

This "feature" of the eye is exploited all the time. If you can
safely do so, walk up to a highway billboard advertisment some time.
You will be amazed at the low resolution of the picture.

Dan (Woj...)

L Alpert March 7th 09 09:35 PM

Viewing distance?
 

"Thumper" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:59:03 +0000, Naked Gonad
wrote:

Charles Tomaras wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
...
My wife has had a detached retina and can't see out of that eye.
I have
CSR and have
little vision in one eye and don't see great with the other.

I went from 27" crt to 32" HD. Our TV room ia 12 x 15 and we sit
10 to 12
ft from
and see it fine. WTF is wrong with you ppl that you need such big
screens?
I
wouldn't want anyting bigger than 32" in my room.

I'm guessing 99% of you are simply looking for bragging rights:)

All depends on what your definition of "see it fine" is. If
someone has
hearing impairment and can't hear anything above 2k then FINE
music
reproduction is very different for that person than it is for
someone who
hears above 16k. If your television makes you happy with your
vision
impairment then I guess that's just fine for you, but I see no
reason for
you to brag about it.


I would go further, there are some people I know who do not want
anything bigger than a 22" and they would probably think a 32" was
showing off.
It's a personal choice.


Sure but you have to be damned close to a 22" to be able to read
anything on the screen.
Thumper


There are many of us that no longer have sharp (young) vision....
http://cgi.ebay.com/TV-Screen-Magnif...QQcmdZViewItem



[email protected] March 8th 09 12:41 AM

Viewing distance?
 
On Mar 7, 12:35*pm, "L Alpert" wrote:


There are many of us that no longer have sharp (young)

vision....http://cgi.ebay.com/TV-Screen-Magnifier---Fits-15%22-
to-25%22-Diagona...

My vision is still sharp at 50+ BUT I no longer have the range near vs
far that I had. IOW I need different strength glasses for close vs
far. 0.75 diopter for TV is sharp as a tack.




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