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ITV and HD, have they stopped?
Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set?
I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
David wrote:
Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set? I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? A 'Press Red' for HD DOG will appear on Ch 103, if the programme is available in HD. Pressing red, should (though here in ITV Thames Valley land it doesn't always work) take you to the ITV HD channel. However in the STV and UTV regions you need to be watching ITV London on Ch 973 I think. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In message , David
wrote Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set? I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? With ITV it's guess work. -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article ,
David wrote: Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set? I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? I don't have FreeSat so access ITV HD via a channel number - same as BBC HD. And there's very little on there - usually either a black screen or a caption saying 'this service not available' So nothing like the BBC HD service. It does work though - I watched The Bill HD episodes on it. Think they were trailing something coming up this weekend the other day. -- *If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In message , David
writes Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set? I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule is a good place to start. -- Bill |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Bill
scribeth thus In message , David writes Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set? I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule is a good place to start. Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?.... -- Tony Sayer |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill scribeth thus http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?.... It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in HD. There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , David writes Or is it my new Panasonic Freesat TV set? I understand they do not do a separate channel as the BBC do 108 HD, but some ITV programmes might be in HD at same time as SD on 103. ITV web site not very helpful, could not find any indication in Radio Times, I understand I have to press Red button but how do I know when to? http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule is a good place to start. Gosh why did I bother getting an Freesat TV set. Its just history repeating itself, its like when TV first started with the BBC only in b+w and 405 lines. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
tony sayer wrote:
In article , scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , Bill scribeth thus http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?.... It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in HD. There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport will allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to do, C4 HD seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD programming it's showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet. However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now available (notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big shortage of HD material to fill up the channels with. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article ,
tony sayer wrote: There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to. And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-) The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have implemented it already. -- *It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:58:55 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , tony sayer wrote: There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to. And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-) The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have implemented it already. Exactly. I wonder what percentage of viewers have TVs able to give the full HD "experience". At the moment I'm using an LCD TV with 1366 x 768 resolution. There is a noticeable difference between SD and HD pictures but, of course, there is sometimes something lacking in HD because 1366 x 768 is not 1920 x 1080. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
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Peter Duncanson wrote: I wonder what percentage of viewers have TVs able to give the full HD "experience". At the moment I'm using an LCD TV with 1366 x 768 resolution. There is a noticeable difference between SD and HD pictures but, of course, there is sometimes something lacking in HD because 1366 x 768 is not 1920 x 1080. I have a DLP rear projector which isn't full HD either - but much of the HD drama is shot in such a way so it doesn't really matter. Some sports stuff does look have a great deal more detail, though. The reduced movement artifacts are welcome, though. -- *El nino made me do it Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... tony sayer wrote: In article , scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , Bill scribeth thus http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?.... It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in HD. There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport will allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to do, C4 HD seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD programming it's showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet. However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now available (notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big shortage of HD material to fill up the channels with. The other problem of course is lack of transponder space on the 'UK' satellite beam (Astra 2D). Channel 4, Five etc cannot broadcast Europe-wide, this is one reason why Channel 4 HD is encrypted. If encrypted channels move off of 2D onto another beam, more space could be used for FTA HD channels. Not gonna happen anytime soon. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Mark Carver
scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , Bill scribeth thus http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?.... It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in HD. There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport will allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to do, C4 HD seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD programming it's showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet. However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now available (notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big shortage of HD material to fill up the channels with. Hummm ... don't think I'll bother with a new telly for the moment then;!.. cheers... -- Tony Sayer |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Brian W brian.wescom
scribeth thus "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... tony sayer wrote: In article , scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , Bill scribeth thus http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?.... It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in HD. There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport will allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to do, C4 HD seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD programming it's showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet. However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now available (notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big shortage of HD material to fill up the channels with. The other problem of course is lack of transponder space on the 'UK' satellite beam (Astra 2D). Channel 4, Five etc cannot broadcast Europe-wide, this is one reason why Channel 4 HD is encrypted. If encrypted channels move off of 2D onto another beam, more space could be used for FTA HD channels. Not gonna happen anytime soon. Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find the space for a few really good channels;!... -- Tony Sayer |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , tony sayer wrote: There are also a number of high definition channels available on a subscription basis, notably sports and films. Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to. And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-) The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have implemented it already. Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD... Let alone all the absolute crap I've heard on the subject from those in Curry's and Vomit;(... -- Tony Sayer |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
tony sayer wrote:
Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD... There is a huge plan. It involves converting Mux B from DVB-T1 to DVB-T2 format from the end of this year, and transmitting three, four later PSB HD channels in the mux. At that point the PSBs might get their arses in gear, and step up the programming. However, yet again the platform where there's already oodles of bandwidth available for FTA/FTV HD services seems to be taking a back seat ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
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tony sayer wrote: Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find the space for a few really good channels;!... Someone must watch it otherwise there'd be little point in transmitting it. Even all the god channels. -- *Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article ,
tony sayer wrote: Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going to get their HD act together?.. You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to. And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-) The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have implemented it already. Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD... Only the BBC is PSB these days. If part of the licence fee was used to pay ITV etc to go HD I'm sure they'd jump at it. -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find the space for a few really good channels;!... Someone must watch it otherwise there'd be little point in transmitting it. Even all the god channels. It doesn't matter if nobody watches the god channels - it's enough if they *believe* that people are watching. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , tony sayer wrote: Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find the space for a few really good channels;!... Someone must watch it otherwise there'd be little point in transmitting it. Even all the god channels. Indeed.. One the other nite I chanced across looked like it was set o the uplink point over a 3 G fone and the sound .. well tin cans and string would sound better;!... -- Tony Sayer |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In article , Mark Carver
scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD... There is a huge plan. Doesn't seem to be that well publicised or the TV trade doesn't know anything about it.. I use _trade_ in a manner which it might once have been;(.. It involves converting Mux B from DVB-T1 to DVB-T2 format from the end of this year, and transmitting three, four later PSB HD channels in the mux. At that point the PSBs might get their arses in gear, and step up the programming. However, yet again the platform where there's already oodles of bandwidth available for FTA/FTV HD services seems to be taking a back seat ? Quite.. Seeing the bandwidth available... -- Tony Sayer |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Only the BBC is PSB these days. If part of the licence fee was used to pay ITV etc to go HD I'm sure they'd jump at it. I'm not sure that's right (I'm *almost* sure it's wrong ;-) ). Surely the ITV1 licence from OfCom includes PSB obligations - news programming, local programming (yes, I know, seriously under pressure), religious programming etc. And the same goes - I believe - for Channel 4. Not sure about Five. André Coutanche |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:09:43 -0000, "André Coutanche"
wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Only the BBC is PSB these days. If part of the licence fee was used to pay ITV etc to go HD I'm sure they'd jump at it. I'm not sure that's right (I'm *almost* sure it's wrong ;-) ). Surely the ITV1 licence from OfCom includes PSB obligations - news programming, local programming (yes, I know, seriously under pressure), religious programming etc. And the same goes - I believe - for Channel 4. Not sure about Five. All of the main "terrestrial" channels are "public service" in that the operate under licences stating certain programming obligations. According to the article in Wikipedia, Five has an obligation to show educational programmes. That includes documentaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel...imited#General General .... .... As a public service broadcaster, Five is required to show educational programmes, including some moderately successful documentaries, such as the Hidden Lives series. Documentaries on art, mainly presented by Tim Marlow, have also been well received. In 2005 Five acquired another public service fig leaf - the rights to the annual Royal Institution Christmas Lectures. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
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Peter Duncanson wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Only the BBC is PSB these days. If part of the licence fee was used to pay ITV etc to go HD I'm sure they'd jump at it. I'm not sure that's right (I'm *almost* sure it's wrong ;-) ). Surely the ITV1 licence from OfCom includes PSB obligations - news programming, local programming (yes, I know, seriously under pressure), religious programming etc. And the same goes - I believe - for Channel 4. Not sure about Five. All of the main "terrestrial" channels are "public service" in that the operate under licences stating certain programming obligations. Indeed. But retrospectively applying the requirement to make/transmit HD progs would be met with howls of protest - and ignored. -- *Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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LOL!!! On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:00:57 -0000, Roderick Stewart wrote: It doesn't matter if nobody watches the god channels - it's enough if they *believe* that people are watching. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:00:57 -0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find the space for a few really good channels;!... Someone must watch it otherwise there'd be little point in transmitting it. Even all the god channels. It doesn't matter if nobody watches the god channels - it's enough if they *believe* that people are watching. Of course, the omniscient (all-seeing) god may be watching. But even he might have delegated the watching task to his Cosmic brand PVR. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
On 2009-01-03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Peter Duncanson wrote: All of the main "terrestrial" channels are "public service" in that the operate under licences stating certain programming obligations. Indeed. But retrospectively applying the requirement to make/transmit HD progs would be met with howls of protest - and ignored. I'd love to see Ofcom attempt to retroactively force the public service broadcasters to remake all their programmes in HD... -- David Taylor |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
David Taylor wrote:
On 2009-01-03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Peter Duncanson wrote: All of the main "terrestrial" channels are "public service" in that the operate under licences stating certain programming obligations. Indeed. But retrospectively applying the requirement to make/transmit HD progs would be met with howls of protest - and ignored. I'd love to see Ofcom attempt to retroactively force the public service broadcasters to remake all their programmes in HD... That's the sort of thing the IBA used to do. The ITV companies were all required to be producing programmes in colour by 1969, providing Teletext by 1974, and making programmes with stereo sound by 1991 ISTR ? Ofcom are a toothless substitute really. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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So one reason for the lack of HD programmes is material. This makes me
think of cinema films available almost 100% on 35mm film. Of course now giving way to digital 'prints' and projection. These will be a source of HD material, but do the TV broadcasters not use these but get them supplied in some other form in which quaulity is lost? If good quaulity movies can be used then these represent a large number of TV hours. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:12:49 -0000, "David" wrote:
So one reason for the lack of HD programmes is material. This makes me think of cinema films available almost 100% on 35mm film. Of course now giving way to digital 'prints' and projection. These will be a source of HD material, but do the TV broadcasters not use these but get them supplied in some other form in which quaulity is lost? If good quaulity movies can be used then these represent a large number of TV hours. I might be wrong but I think I read somewhere that a TV broadcaster has to pay extra for an HD version of a movie. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
In message , David
wrote So one reason for the lack of HD programmes is material. This makes me think of cinema films available almost 100% on 35mm film. Of course now giving way to digital 'prints' and projection. These will be a source of HD material, but do the TV broadcasters not use these but get them supplied in some other form in which quaulity is lost? If good quaulity movies can be used then these represent a large number of TV hours. Good quality movies are not a cheap source for filling hours of TV. Cost is a factor why there isn't a lot more HD content on Free to Air TV. -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
David wrote:
So one reason for the lack of HD programmes is material. This makes me think of cinema films available almost 100% on 35mm film. Of course now giving way to digital 'prints' and projection. These will be a source of HD material, but do the TV broadcasters not use these but get them supplied in some other form in which quaulity is lost? If good quaulity movies can be used then these represent a large number of TV hours. Most of C4's HD content are movies, but as others have pointed out, for various reasons they can be expensive to show. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... David wrote: So one reason for the lack of HD programmes is material. This makes me think of cinema films available almost 100% on 35mm film. Of course now giving way to digital 'prints' and projection. These will be a source of HD material, but do the TV broadcasters not use these but get them supplied in some other form in which quaulity is lost? If good quaulity movies can be used then these represent a large number of TV hours. Most of C4's HD content are movies, but as others have pointed out, for various reasons they can be expensive to show. Oh so Ch4 does some HD, is it a separate channel like BBC HD or press red button like ITV? -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:13:11 -0000, "David" wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... David wrote: So one reason for the lack of HD programmes is material. This makes me think of cinema films available almost 100% on 35mm film. Of course now giving way to digital 'prints' and projection. These will be a source of HD material, but do the TV broadcasters not use these but get them supplied in some other form in which quaulity is lost? If good quaulity movies can be used then these represent a large number of TV hours. Most of C4's HD content are movies, but as others have pointed out, for various reasons they can be expensive to show. Oh so Ch4 does some HD, is it a separate channel like BBC HD or press red button like ITV? I think it's on Sky, not Freesat. (From a Sky-free home.) |
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:13:11 -0000, "David" wrote: Oh so Ch4 does some HD, is it a separate channel like BBC HD or press red button like ITV? I think it's on Sky, not Freesat. Yes it's FTV using Sky's encryption system. Most of the time it's just SD C4 upconverted to HD, but even that looks ten times better than SD C4 as seen via DTT or D-Sat, because of course the bit rate is 10-15 Mb/s MPEG4, rather than 3 Mb/s MPEG 2. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
"David" wrote in message ... Oh so Ch4 does some HD, is it a separate channel like BBC HD or press red button like ITV? -- it's a whole seperate channel. the upside of this is that even with the SD stuff, you get to watch it on a high bitrate channel that looks lots better than regular channel 4. -- Gareth. that fly...... is your magic wand.... |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Peter Duncanson wrote: I think it's on Sky, not Freesat. Yes it's FTV using Sky's encryption system. Most of the time it's just SD C4 upconverted to HD, but even that looks ten times better than SD C4 as seen via DTT or D-Sat, because of course the bit rate is 10-15 Mb/s MPEG4, rather than 3 Mb/s MPEG 2. It gets more complicated then the HD story, wonder if it will get worse. I'll blame the Government for it, they seem to mess all things up these days. -- Yours in Jesus. David |
ITV and HD, have they stopped?
David wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Peter Duncanson wrote: I think it's on Sky, not Freesat. Yes it's FTV using Sky's encryption system. Most of the time it's just SD C4 upconverted to HD, but even that looks ten times better than SD C4 as seen via DTT or D-Sat, because of course the bit rate is 10-15 Mb/s MPEG4, rather than 3 Mb/s MPEG 2. It gets more complicated then the HD story, wonder if it will get worse. I'll blame the Government for it, they seem to mess all things up these days. I blame religious nutters! |
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