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Dave Plowman (News) January 2nd 09 02:58 PM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
There are also a number of high definition channels available on a
subscription basis, notably sports and films.


Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of
upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a
new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have
any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to.
And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-)
The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV
thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have
implemented it already.

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Peter Duncanson January 2nd 09 03:28 PM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:58:55 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
There are also a number of high definition channels available on a
subscription basis, notably sports and films.


Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of
upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a
new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have
any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to.
And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-)
The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV
thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have
implemented it already.


Exactly.

I wonder what percentage of viewers have TVs able to give the full HD
"experience".

At the moment I'm using an LCD TV with 1366 x 768 resolution. There is a
noticeable difference between SD and HD pictures but, of course, there is
sometimes something lacking in HD because 1366 x 768 is not 1920 x 1080.

Dave Plowman (News) January 2nd 09 05:42 PM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
I wonder what percentage of viewers have TVs able to give the full HD
"experience".


At the moment I'm using an LCD TV with 1366 x 768 resolution. There is a
noticeable difference between SD and HD pictures but, of course, there is
sometimes something lacking in HD because 1366 x 768 is not 1920 x 1080.


I have a DLP rear projector which isn't full HD either - but much of the
HD drama is shot in such a way so it doesn't really matter. Some sports
stuff does look have a great deal more detail, though. The reduced
movement artifacts are welcome, though.

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Brian W January 2nd 09 11:09 PM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
tony sayer wrote:
In article ,
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill
scribeth thus
http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule

Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?....
It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in
HD.

There are also a number of high definition channels available on a
subscription basis, notably sports and films.


Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport
will allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to
do, C4 HD seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD
programming it's showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet.

However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now
available (notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big
shortage of HD material to fill up the channels with.

The other problem of course is lack of transponder space on the 'UK'
satellite beam (Astra 2D). Channel 4, Five etc cannot broadcast Europe-wide,
this is one reason why Channel 4 HD is encrypted. If encrypted channels move
off of 2D onto another beam, more space could be used for FTA HD channels.
Not gonna happen anytime soon.


tony sayer January 3rd 09 10:47 AM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article , Mark Carver
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article ,
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill
scribeth thus
http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule

Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?....
It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in HD.

There are also a number of high definition channels available on a
subscription basis, notably sports and films.


Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport will
allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to do, C4 HD
seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD programming it's
showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet.

However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now available
(notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big shortage of HD
material to fill up the channels with.


Hummm ... don't think I'll bother with a new telly for the moment
then;!..

cheers...
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Tony Sayer




tony sayer January 3rd 09 10:48 AM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article , Brian W brian.wescom
scribeth thus

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
tony sayer wrote:
In article ,

scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill
scribeth thus
http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?p...son.HDschedule

Still not worth buying a HD set then is it;!?....
It is if you want to watch the programmes, as listed on that page, in
HD.

There are also a number of high definition channels available on a
subscription basis, notably sports and films.

Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


The BBC HD channel is all the BBC Trust and the Dept of Culture & Sport
will allow at the moment. ITV HD seems about all that ITV can afford to
do, C4 HD seems to be slowly increasing the amount of genuine HD
programming it's showing. Only C5 show no interest in HD yet.

However, considering the large amount of HD production equipment now
available (notably loads of HD OB trucks in the UK) there is still a big
shortage of HD material to fill up the channels with.

The other problem of course is lack of transponder space on the 'UK'
satellite beam (Astra 2D). Channel 4, Five etc cannot broadcast Europe-wide,
this is one reason why Channel 4 HD is encrypted. If encrypted channels move
off of 2D onto another beam, more space could be used for FTA HD channels.
Not gonna happen anytime soon.


Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find
the space for a few really good channels;!...
--
Tony Sayer



tony sayer January 3rd 09 10:53 AM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
There are also a number of high definition channels available on a
subscription basis, notably sports and films.


Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of
upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of buying a
new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in deciding to have
any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they weren't planning to.
And look how long it took them to have all studio stuff in 16:9. ;-)
The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a different position. If ITV
thought HD would attract premium advertising rates I'm sure they'd have
implemented it already.


Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to
me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD...


Let alone all the absolute crap I've heard on the subject from those in
Curry's and Vomit;(...
--
Tony Sayer


Mark Carver January 3rd 09 11:14 AM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
tony sayer wrote:


Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to
me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD...


There is a huge plan. It involves converting Mux B from DVB-T1 to DVB-T2
format from the end of this year, and transmitting three, four later PSB HD
channels in the mux. At that point the PSBs might get their arses in gear, and
step up the programming.

However, yet again the platform where there's already oodles of bandwidth
available for FTA/FTV HD services seems to be taking a back seat ?


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Dave Plowman (News) January 3rd 09 11:17 AM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Pity seeing all the absolute junk on satellite that they couldn't find
the space for a few really good channels;!...


Someone must watch it otherwise there'd be little point in transmitting
it. Even all the god channels.

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Dave Plowman (News) January 3rd 09 11:29 AM

ITV and HD, have they stopped?
 
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Yes I know that . So when are the available FTA and FTV channels going
to get their HD act together?..


You can't just snap your fingers and have HD instead of SD. The cost of
upgrading a facility is pretty high - it's not just a question of
buying a new camera or two. And ITV have left it pretty late in
deciding to have any HD service - about 4 years ago they said they
weren't planning to. And look how long it took them to have all studio
stuff in 16:9. ;-) The BBC with its guaranteed income is in a
different position. If ITV thought HD would attract premium advertising
rates I'm sure they'd have implemented it already.


Wasn't suggesting for a moment they -snap their fingers- Dave, seems to
me that theres no real direction or plan for PSB on HD...


Only the BBC is PSB these days. If part of the licence fee was used to pay
ITV etc to go HD I'm sure they'd jump at it.

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