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Do you think it is true that the internet will be in trouble when BBC1 is
watchable live on the internet later this month?

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Do you think it is true that the internet will be in trouble when BBC1
is watchable live on the internet later this month?


No. The ISPs will just throttle the stream if it is having any negative
impact on their system or customer base who don't want to watch TV over
the Net. In addition, when customers reach their monthly download limit
after watching a couple of hour of Internet TV their accounts will be
suspended.

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David wrote:
Do you think it is true that the internet will be in trouble when BBC1
is watchable live on the internet later this month?

Yes. This should have been launched using Multicast packets, over an
upgraded ipv6 infrastructure of compatible routers ISP and client side.

With the global financial situation and stresses on increasing bandwidth
promised to customers I forsee some ISP's going to the wall, or being
swallowed up by the next Tiscali bottom feeding wannabee.

Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

It would be a change for the pensioners I support who are resolutely
still on dialup.

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Adrian C wrote:
_512Mbits_ and dirt cheap.

Damm. Brain fart...

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Adrian C wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
_512Mbits_ and dirt cheap.

Damm. Brain fart...

In spite of the BF, I totally agree that it should have been done via
Multicast. I use Multicast at home as I am experimenting with Multicast
TV over my home network. I am running 21 channels at the moment without
problems. You should use an IGMP sware switch though. The net result
is far less bandwith is consumed based on a lot of subscibers, and you
can turn up the picture quality too because of the reduced BW footprint.

Rob.

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In article ,
Adrian C writes:
Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

It would be a change for the pensioners I support who are resolutely
still on dialup.

Broadband4Grannies? Been trying to find an ISP that'll offer something like
this, and not even the ones that people I know work for will consider it.
Presumably this is because there's no margin in it.
--
SAm.

BBC going to stop the Internet working?
 

In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

Great until someone figures out how to tunnel video over HTTP.

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In article ,
Jim writes:
In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

Great until someone figures out how to tunnel video over HTTP.

Cap it at 1GB/month. Don't sell it to anyone without a bus-pass.
--
SAm.

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Jim wrote:
In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

Great until someone figures out how to tunnel video over HTTP.
It's called a VPN or even SSH.

Rob.

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Its in trouble already unfortunately, where you been?

Brian

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However a lot of blind people are being encouraged to use streaming audio
now to get their talking newspapers etc either via podcasts or live.

Brian

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"Adrian C" wrote in message
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David wrote:
Do you think it is true that the internet will be in trouble when BBC1 is
watchable live on the internet later this month?

Yes. This should have been launched using Multicast packets, over an
upgraded ipv6 infrastructure of compatible routers ISP and client side.

With the global financial situation and stresses on increasing bandwidth
promised to customers I forsee some ISP's going to the wall, or being
swallowed up by the next Tiscali bottom feeding wannabee.

Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

It would be a change for the pensioners I support who are resolutely still
on dialup.

--
Adrian C

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Sam Nelson wrote:
Cap it at 1GB/month. Don't sell it to anyone without a bus-pass.

Yes, that's the type of thing. I should talk to SAGA.

While I'm TOT'ing it, I propose a new linux based operating system
should be created to be used alongside broadband4Grannies.

It would only have a web browser once loaded up. Other applications are
unnecessary. No task manager. No fancy windowing apart from popups.

It would load and run from write protected flash media, use existing
hard drives as swap and use online services for document storage or USB
sticks. Should run on P3 machines without breaking a sweat.

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Adrian C

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On Friday, November 21st, 2008 at 19:10:00h +0000, Adrian C wrote:

While I'm TOT'ing it, I propose a new linux based operating system
should be created to be used alongside broadband4Grannies.

It would only have a web browser once loaded up.

In other words a GNU/Linux Web kiosk system --

http://webconverger.COM/

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J G Miller wrote:
On Friday, November 21st, 2008 at 19:10:00h +0000, Adrian C wrote:

While I'm TOT'ing it, I propose a new linux based operating system
should be created to be used alongside broadband4Grannies.

It would only have a web browser once loaded up.

In other words a GNU/Linux Web kiosk system --

http://webconverger.COM/

Last time I tried that, it had problems with popup windows (non DHTML)
and the user methods for dismissing of those wasn't too clear.

Maybe that has changed. I'll take another look, and see if I can do a
broadband4grannies myself :-)

--
Adrian C

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"Sam Nelson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Adrian C writes:
Got a great idea. Someone should launch an ISP with a network that
supports just web page use. No streaming, no P2P or other high bandwidth
use. Block all packets except those to a secure web browser. Just a
reliable service 512Mbits and dirt cheap.

It would be a change for the pensioners I support who are resolutely
still on dialup.

Broadband4Grannies? Been trying to find an ISP that'll offer something
like
this, and not even the ones that people I know work for will consider it.
Presumably this is because there's no margin in it.
--
SAm.



They'd have to use old people in the "support department". ;-)))

BBC going to stop the Internet working?
 

Adrian C wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
On Friday, November 21st, 2008 at 19:10:00h +0000, Adrian C wrote:

While I'm TOT'ing it, I propose a new linux based operating system
should be created to be used alongside broadband4Grannies.
It would only have a web browser once loaded up.

In other words a GNU/Linux Web kiosk system --

http://webconverger.COM/

Last time I tried that, it had problems with popup windows (non DHTML)
and the user methods for dismissing of those wasn't too clear.

Maybe that has changed. I'll take another look, and see if I can do a
broadband4grannies myself :-)


This is typical, the Web is confounded as a consumer service by its
historical approach of new features.

What you are suggesting is a Web Pad type thingy, a box or panel for web
browsing only. I have seen a few, but like many CE browsers they are
just not uptodate with the web, or the screen requirements jump up with
the PC world.

The standards are not nailed down, and very very complicated, even IE
and Firefox have to work damn hard to get it right. They rely on
regular software updates and lots of feedback from users.

When you use a CE browser you can expect pages to just not work, I even
get this on PC/Macs occassionally, aswell as 'you need a plugin'.

Unfortunately the influence of MS and Adobe etc to use the web as a rich
picture active advertising media has lead to its incompatibility for
consumer use.

The only way it could ever been done is a walled garden type system.

Having said that, broadcast TV is also now very complicated and the
temptation for feature creep keeps adding new standards when product
makers still havn't really got to grips with the old ones. Engineers
and marketing forget that people just want to do simple things like
watch TV.

--
Tony

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Adrian C
saying something like:

While I'm TOT'ing it, I propose a new linux based operating system
should be created to be used alongside broadband4Grannies.

Linux Internets The Elderly.

LITE Service.