"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

Well done Five for ("Freeview auto") ending Game 1 of the World Series at
the "estimated" time instead of at the end of the game - which was somewhat
later!

And for those who don't know, the World Series is named for the defunct
"World News" newspaper (hope I got the title correct) before anyone decides
to equate this to the footie World Cup.

Paul DS.

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

Paul D.Smith wrote:

And for those who don't know, the World Series is named for the defunct
"World News" newspaper .

Oh no it isn't
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

"soup" wrote in message
om...
Paul D.Smith wrote:

And for those who don't know, the World Series is named for the defunct
"World News" newspaper .

Oh no it isn't
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp

I live and learn! But sadly not the final score if I watch the World Series
recorded from Five and rely on them setting the "end recording tags"
correctly ;-).

Paul DS

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"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
Well done Five for ("Freeview auto") ending Game 1 of the World Series at
the "estimated" time instead of at the end of the game - which was
somewhat later!

And for those who don't know, the World Series is named for the defunct
"World News" newspaper (hope I got the title correct) before anyone
decides to equate this to the footie World Cup.

The yanks do.


Paul DS.

Baseball and American Football (and to a lesser extent Rugby) are both games
that do not flow. Both require constant referee / umpire intervention and
adjudication. In baseball the game hinges around the decision of whether
each ball passes over the plate at the right height (cricket has wickets and
adjudication is only needed if the ball strikes the batsman's legs and the
other team claim). Three base umpires are required as well.

In American Football play rarely proceeds for more than a few seconds
without the whistle being blown and another set piece.]

Contrast soccer where adjudication is limited to offside, foul play and
occasionally who last touched the ball. A friendly football match often
proceed without a referee (e.g. both sides normally know and agree the next
move if the ball goes out of play).

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...
:
: Contrast soccer where adjudication is limited to offside, foul play and
: occasionally who last touched the ball. A friendly football match often
: proceed without a referee (e.g. both sides normally know and agree the
next
: move if the ball goes out of play).

yes, füßball is a beautiful game... right up to the point where they decide
the championship with 11 meter kicks. and, might I add, there's the award
winning acting where a player pretends to be mortally injured in an attempt
to get a penalty kick. it's amazing how quickly they recover from writhing
in pain to sprinting after the ball

in baseball, like cricket time plays very little role.

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

Paul D.Smith wrote...

Well done Five for ("Freeview auto") ending Game 1 of the World Series at
the "estimated" time instead of at the end of the game - which was somewhat
later!

That makes a change, usually it overruns by 30 mins or so leavings us
Indycar/Nascar fans twiddling our thumbs and watching rounders. But;
good for Five at least they do show these "minority interest" sports.

Nearly all US motor sport broadcasts are in 4.3, don't they have
widescreen over the pond? Or are we losing something in the conversion?

--
Ken

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"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
"soup" wrote in message
om...
Paul D.Smith wrote:

And for those who don't know, the World Series is named for the defunct
"World News" newspaper .

Oh no it isn't
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp

I live and learn! But sadly not the final score if I watch the World
Series recorded from Five and rely on them setting the "end recording
tags" correctly ;-).




if they ever did hold a baseball competition with non american countries
participating they'd have to call it the universal cup.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:43 +0000, The dog from that film you saw
postulated:

if they ever did hold a baseball competition with non american
countries participating they'd have to call it the universal cup.

It would appear that you are not aware that baseball is a major
sport in Japan

http://www.japanesebaseball.COM/

that there are numerous teams in Cymru

http://www.welshbaseball.co.UK/

and even teams in Liverpool

http://www.liverpooltrojansbaseball.co.UK

The Trojans were established in 1946, so this is not just
some trendy new fad.

And there are still four teams in Liverpool which play
traditional English baseball -- All Saints, Anfield,
Breckside and Townsend.

PS Is the dog from that film you saw, the dog from
A Boy and His Dog (1975)?

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
m...
Paul D.Smith wrote...

Well done Five for ("Freeview auto") ending Game 1 of the World Series at
the "estimated" time instead of at the end of the game - which was
somewhat
later!

That makes a change, usually it overruns by 30 mins or so leavings us
Indycar/Nascar fans twiddling our thumbs and watching rounders. But;
good for Five at least they do show these "minority interest" sports.

Nearly all US motor sport broadcasts are in 4.3, don't they have
widescreen over the pond? Or are we losing something in the conversion?

As with a lot of films, I think the deal is that 5 only get 4:3 and have to
fill in during various bits with their own presenters.




--
Ken

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"Low Life #3" wrote in message
...
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...
:
: Contrast soccer where adjudication is limited to offside, foul play and
: occasionally who last touched the ball. A friendly football match often
: proceed without a referee (e.g. both sides normally know and agree the
next
: move if the ball goes out of play).

yes, füßball is a beautiful game... right up to the point where they
decide
the championship with 11 meter kicks.

I thin it would be better to allow a drawn afer extra time game to be
decided by kicks from anywhere in the D, with the goalie anywhere in the six
yard box. As it is, it is mostly luck whether the goalie goes the right
way.

and, might I add, there's the award
winning acting where a player pretends to be mortally injured in an
attempt
to get a penalty kick. it's amazing how quickly they recover from
writhing
in pain to sprinting after the ball

in baseball, like cricket time plays very little role.

Cricket can take up to five days, and some tests between the wars were
actually untimed. OTOH crickets laws, whilst complicated, are generally
easibly interpreted by the players. The middle stump was introduce ~150
years ago to remove doubt about when a player was out. Very obviously in
baseball, whether a ball passes over the plate is very subjective and even
MLB umpires are frquently wrong.

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...



PS Is the dog from that film you saw, the dog from
A Boy and His Dog (1975)?



it isnt!



--
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that fly...... is your magic wand....

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R. Mark Clayton explained :
"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...

Baseball and American Football (and to a lesser extent Rugby) are both games
that do not flow. Both require constant referee / umpire intervention and
adjudication. In baseball the game hinges around the decision of whether
each ball passes over the plate at the right height (cricket has wickets and
adjudication is only needed if the ball strikes the batsman's legs and the
other team claim). Three base umpires are required as well.

In American Football play rarely proceeds for more than a few seconds without
the whistle being blown and another set piece.]

Contrast soccer where adjudication is limited to offside, foul play and
occasionally who last touched the ball. A friendly football match often
proceed without a referee (e.g. both sides normally know and agree the next
move if the ball goes out of play).

There's no such sport as soccer - it's football !!!!!

In the paragraph above you refer to Rugby;..why did you not call it
rugger ?
Are the England RU home fixtures played at Twickers ?

The BBC would not even think of using these slang/cant terms to refer
to RU, and yet they denigrate the World's game ( football ) by not
calling it by the name used by the people who play it.

Alan P

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...
:
: Cricket can take up to five days, and some tests between the wars were
: actually untimed. OTOH crickets laws, whilst complicated, are generally
: easibly interpreted by the players. The middle stump was introduce ~150
: years ago to remove doubt about when a player was out. Very obviously in
: baseball, whether a ball passes over the plate is very subjective and even
: MLB umpires are frquently wrong.

we've had baseball games last 16 hours.

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

On 2008-10-27, J G Miller wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:43 +0000, The dog from that film you saw
postulated:
if they ever did hold a baseball competition with non american
countries participating they'd have to call it the universal cup.
It would appear that you are not aware that baseball is a major
sport in Japan
that there are numerous teams in Cymru
and even teams in Liverpool

None of which are eligiable to play in the World Series.
(The significant international competition is called the
World Baseball Classic)

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
"soup" wrote in message
om...
Paul D.Smith wrote:

And for those who don't know, the World Series is named for the defunct
"World News" newspaper .

Oh no it isn't
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp

I live and learn! But sadly not the final score if I watch the World
Series recorded from Five and rely on them setting the "end recording
tags" correctly ;-).

Paul DS



You may learn not to do that again. ;-)

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"Alan P" wrote in message
...
R. Mark Clayton explained :
"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...

Baseball and American Football (and to a lesser extent Rugby) are both
games that do not flow. Both require constant referee / umpire
intervention and adjudication. In baseball the game hinges around the
decision of whether each ball passes over the plate at the right height
(cricket has wickets and adjudication is only needed if the ball strikes
the batsman's legs and the other team claim). Three base umpires are
required as well.

In American Football play rarely proceeds for more than a few seconds
without the whistle being blown and another set piece.]

Contrast soccer where adjudication is limited to offside, foul play and
occasionally who last touched the ball. A friendly football match often
proceed without a referee (e.g. both sides normally know and agree the
next move if the ball goes out of play).

There's no such sport as soccer - it's football !!!!!

In the paragraph above you refer to Rugby;..why did you not call it rugger
?
Are the England RU home fixtures played at Twickers ?

The BBC would not even think of using these slang/cant terms to refer
to RU, and yet they denigrate the World's game ( football ) by not calling
it by the name used by the people who play it.

Alan P



These are Americanisms

Soccer = aSOCiation football
Rugger = RUGby football.
football = american fotball

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

Paul D.Smith wrote:

" Well done Five for ("Freeview auto") ending Game 1 of the World
Series at the "estimated" time instead of at the end of the game - which
was somewhat later! "


It could be worse. You could have turned on last night to watch the
rest of the game like me. I saw that Five were in the bottom of the
fourth whilst NASN2 on Setanta was in the top of the fifth. I thought
'Five are about 2 minutes behind' so continued to watch NASN2 for about
ten minutes until I realised that I was watching a repeat of game 3
instead of game 5 on Five. To my defence the score was 2-1 in both
games at the time, so I have some excuse, or maybe not.

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
m...
Paul D.Smith wrote...

Well done Five for ("Freeview auto") ending Game 1 of the World Series at
the "estimated" time instead of at the end of the game - which was
somewhat
later!
That makes a change, usually it overruns by 30 mins or so leavings us
Indycar/Nascar fans twiddling our thumbs and watching rounders. But;
good for Five at least they do show these "minority interest" sports.

Nearly all US motor sport broadcasts are in 4.3, don't they have
widescreen over the pond? Or are we losing something in the conversion?

As with a lot of films, I think the deal is that 5 only get 4:3 and have to
fill in during various bits with their own presenters.


Five's NFL studio presenters have a widescreen TV
behind them, even though the programme is 4:3. I
suspect the feed gets stretched. Do they need to pay
extra for WS?

I don't think Five supports the accurate recording
feature for Freeview recorders. Some other channels
seem able to delay ending a recording when a sports
event overruns.

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

Jim wrote:

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
Nearly all US motor sport broadcasts are in 4.3, don't they have
widescreen over the pond? Or are we losing something in the conversion?

As with a lot of films, I think the deal is that 5 only get 4:3 and have to
fill in during various bits with their own presenters.

Five's NFL studio presenters have a widescreen TV
behind them, even though the programme is 4:3. I
suspect the feed gets stretched. Do they need to pay
extra for WS?

IN the US, widescreen, high-def, and DTT are bundled as a single new TV
standard, unlike the haphazard mess that we got over here. So I suspect
that US providers charge extra for widescreen feeds because they'd be
primarily high-def feeds which would be wasted on Five.

--
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...
:
: These are Americanisms
:
: Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

http://www.word-detective.com/121800.html#soccer

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Low Life #3 brought next idea :
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...

These are Americanisms

Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

http://www.word-detective.com/121800.html#soccer

I'm well aware of the derivation of the name, but the game existed for
centuries before the FA was formed.

Alan P

"Five sucks" says baseball fan
 

In article , Jim
wrote:
I don't think Five supports the accurate recording
feature for Freeview recorders. Some other channels
seem able to delay ending a recording when a sports
event overruns.

I don't think Five supports the accurate and honest prediction of what
they're going to broadcast. I usually pick programmes to record using
Digiguide, which gives details up to about three weeks ahead (about a
fortnight further than the Freeview on-screen guide). Occasionally I'd
find a recording of something I couldn't recall ever wanting, or a
recording that started in the middle of something, so I took to
checking details closer to the broadcast time. I found that programme
details sometimes change between three weeks ahead and one week ahead,
often resulting in a promised programme, usually a movie, not being
broadcast at all, and it's nearly always Five that do this.

The other channels generally keep to their announced schedules, and the
BBC often show "To be announced" in some programme slots, which seems a
perfectly reasonable way to say that details have not been decided yet,
but Five have the annoying habit of announcing plans they don't seem to
have any intention of keeping. I wonder why they're different?

Rod.
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:53:32 GMT, Alan P wrote:

Low Life #3 brought next idea :
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...

These are Americanisms

Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

http://www.word-detective.com/121800.html#soccer

I'm well aware of the derivation of the name, but the game existed for
centuries before the FA was formed.

"Football" has been around for centuries, and, despite being different
evrywhere it was played, is the common ancestor of association
football, Rugby football, American football and all the other modern
football codes.

Sadly, most soccer fans seem to think that In The Beginning There Was
(The Game We Call) Football, and everything else is a later rip-off.

Charlie
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On 28 Oct 2008 09:29:50 GMT, Paul Murray wrote:

On 2008-10-27, J G Miller wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:43 +0000, The dog from that film you saw
postulated:
if they ever did hold a baseball competition with non american
countries participating they'd have to call it the universal cup.
It would appear that you are not aware that baseball is a major
sport in Japan
that there are numerous teams in Cymru
and even teams in Liverpool

None of which are eligiable to play in the World Series.
(The significant international competition is called the
World Baseball Classic)

Yes, but the Toronto Blue Jays are - they've even won it twice!

Charlie
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Low Life #3 wrote:
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
...
:
: These are Americanisms
:
: Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

I believe it originated from schoolboy slang in the Victorian era. Rugby
football was nicknamed "rugger" and Association football was nicknamed
"soccer", but crucially was pronounced as "sosser". Only when it was
taken up by newspapers did the pronunciation morph to the present-day
"soccer" with a hard "C".

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In article ,
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:

I believe it originated from schoolboy slang in the Victorian era. Rugby
football was nicknamed "rugger" and Association football was nicknamed
"soccer", but crucially was pronounced as "sosser". Only when it was
taken up by newspapers did the pronunciation morph to the present-day
"soccer" with a hard "C".

The OED's earliest quotation has the spelling "socca", but the next
two (1890s) are "socker", so the pronunciation must have been set by
then.

-- Richard



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Alan Pemberton wrote:

There's your problem with the OED - they tend to look for written
evidence rather than oral. If the people who invented the word
pronounced it "sosser", but spelled it "soccer", anyone reading that
spelling would pronounce it (and then probably spell it) "socker".

the "sosser" pronunciation seems persuasive. considering it's derived
from |"association".

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In article .co.uk.invalid,
Alan Pemberton wrote:

The OED's earliest quotation has the spelling "socca", but the next
two (1890s) are "socker", so the pronunciation must have been set by
then.

There's your problem with the OED - they tend to look for written
evidence rather than oral.

It's hard to find anything but written evidence for pronunciation
of anything over a hundred years old!

Do you happen to know what the evidence for the pronunciation being
"sosser" is? Presumably it's written - unless it's just "my
grandfather said his grandfather pronounced it that way" - and I'm
sure the OED would be interested in a quotation that shows a different
pronunciation.

-- Richard
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