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These are Americanisms

Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

http://www.word-detective.com/121800.html#soccer

I'm well aware of the derivation of the name, but the game existed for
centuries before the FA was formed.

Alan P

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In article , Jim
wrote:
I don't think Five supports the accurate recording
feature for Freeview recorders. Some other channels
seem able to delay ending a recording when a sports
event overruns.

I don't think Five supports the accurate and honest prediction of what
they're going to broadcast. I usually pick programmes to record using
Digiguide, which gives details up to about three weeks ahead (about a
fortnight further than the Freeview on-screen guide). Occasionally I'd
find a recording of something I couldn't recall ever wanting, or a
recording that started in the middle of something, so I took to
checking details closer to the broadcast time. I found that programme
details sometimes change between three weeks ahead and one week ahead,
often resulting in a promised programme, usually a movie, not being
broadcast at all, and it's nearly always Five that do this.

The other channels generally keep to their announced schedules, and the
BBC often show "To be announced" in some programme slots, which seems a
perfectly reasonable way to say that details have not been decided yet,
but Five have the annoying habit of announcing plans they don't seem to
have any intention of keeping. I wonder why they're different?

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:53:32 GMT, Alan P wrote:

Low Life #3 brought next idea :
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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These are Americanisms

Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

http://www.word-detective.com/121800.html#soccer

I'm well aware of the derivation of the name, but the game existed for
centuries before the FA was formed.

"Football" has been around for centuries, and, despite being different
evrywhere it was played, is the common ancestor of association
football, Rugby football, American football and all the other modern
football codes.

Sadly, most soccer fans seem to think that In The Beginning There Was
(The Game We Call) Football, and everything else is a later rip-off.

Charlie
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On 28 Oct 2008 09:29:50 GMT, Paul Murray wrote:

On 2008-10-27, J G Miller wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:38:43 +0000, The dog from that film you saw
postulated:
if they ever did hold a baseball competition with non american
countries participating they'd have to call it the universal cup.
It would appear that you are not aware that baseball is a major
sport in Japan
that there are numerous teams in Cymru
and even teams in Liverpool

None of which are eligiable to play in the World Series.
(The significant international competition is called the
World Baseball Classic)

Yes, but the Toronto Blue Jays are - they've even won it twice!

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Low Life #3 wrote:
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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:
: These are Americanisms
:
: Soccer = aSOCiation football

not really..

It's true that the game known as "football" in most of the world (not just
the UK) is known as "soccer" in the US, but we didn't just pull the word out
of the air so that we could call our quasi-gladiatorial extravaganzas
"football." In fact, you Brits actually invented the word. "Soccer," when it
first appeared in the 1890s, was spelled "socca," which was short for
"association" or "association football," meaning football played according
to the rules laid down by the British Football Association. It was also
called "socker" until the current form "soccer" appeared around 1895.

I believe it originated from schoolboy slang in the Victorian era. Rugby
football was nicknamed "rugger" and Association football was nicknamed
"soccer", but crucially was pronounced as "sosser". Only when it was
taken up by newspapers did the pronunciation morph to the present-day
"soccer" with a hard "C".

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In article ,
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:

I believe it originated from schoolboy slang in the Victorian era. Rugby
football was nicknamed "rugger" and Association football was nicknamed
"soccer", but crucially was pronounced as "sosser". Only when it was
taken up by newspapers did the pronunciation morph to the present-day
"soccer" with a hard "C".

The OED's earliest quotation has the spelling "socca", but the next
two (1890s) are "socker", so the pronunciation must have been set by
then.

-- Richard



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Alan Pemberton wrote:

There's your problem with the OED - they tend to look for written
evidence rather than oral. If the people who invented the word
pronounced it "sosser", but spelled it "soccer", anyone reading that
spelling would pronounce it (and then probably spell it) "socker".

the "sosser" pronunciation seems persuasive. considering it's derived
from |"association".

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In article .co.uk.invalid,
Alan Pemberton wrote:

The OED's earliest quotation has the spelling "socca", but the next
two (1890s) are "socker", so the pronunciation must have been set by
then.

There's your problem with the OED - they tend to look for written
evidence rather than oral.

It's hard to find anything but written evidence for pronunciation
of anything over a hundred years old!

Do you happen to know what the evidence for the pronunciation being
"sosser" is? Presumably it's written - unless it's just "my
grandfather said his grandfather pronounced it that way" - and I'm
sure the OED would be interested in a quotation that shows a different
pronunciation.

-- Richard
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