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On Oct 16, 11:53 am, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
Broadcasting is a one-to-many form of communication where many
receivers all receiver the same information from a single source.
Internet radio is therefore a form of broadcasting.

Broadcasting involves switching the equipment on and just receiving
the data. It does not involve the equipment having to request for data
to be sent from the radio transmitter which is what happens on the
internet using normal TCP connections. And what is the difference
between the one to many of a website homepage download or a million
people ftp'ing the latest firefox update and the one to many of a
stream download? Nothing. So either they're all broadcast or none of
them are.


Downloading an MP3 file consists of one user downloading a file from
one source at a time unique to that user. Downloading is not
broadcasting.

Correct. But neither is downloading a stream. There is no difference -
the file is not unique to the user and many people could be
downloading at the same time. The exact same thing can be said for a
stream.

The only reason you don't want to classify Internet radio as being a
form of broadcasting is because the streams are currently still using
unicast. Once they switch to using multicast (which consists of a
single stream being received by multiple receivers, not one stream per
user), would you still object to that being called broadcasting? If
so, why?

I'd say thats a kind of halfway house depending on how it works. Pure
multicasting is broadcasting because theres no action on the client
side to request the data , its just there already and you get it if
you want it but I suspect you'll have to request a router to send you
the stream. Possibly a new word needs to be thought up.

B2003

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:28:23 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote:

On Oct 16, 11:53 am, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
Broadcasting is a one-to-many form of communication where many
receivers all receiver the same information from a single source.
Internet radio is therefore a form of broadcasting.

Broadcasting involves switching the equipment on and just receiving
the data. It does not involve the equipment having to request for data
to be sent from the radio transmitter which is what happens on the
internet using normal TCP connections. And what is the difference
between the one to many of a website homepage download or a million
people ftp'ing the latest firefox update and the one to many of a
stream download? Nothing. So either they're all broadcast or none of
them are.


Downloading an MP3 file consists of one user downloading a file from
one source at a time unique to that user. Downloading is not
broadcasting.

Correct. But neither is downloading a stream. There is no difference -
the file is not unique to the user and many people could be
downloading at the same time. The exact same thing can be said for a
stream.

The only reason you don't want to classify Internet radio as being a
form of broadcasting is because the streams are currently still using
unicast. Once they switch to using multicast (which consists of a
single stream being received by multiple receivers, not one stream per
user), would you still object to that being called broadcasting? If
so, why?

I'd say thats a kind of halfway house depending on how it works. Pure
multicasting is broadcasting because theres no action on the client
side to request the data , its just there already and you get it if
you want it but I suspect you'll have to request a router to send you
the stream. Possibly a new word needs to be thought up.

B2003


It's not broadcasting if I can't receive it on my wireless set.
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:28:23 -0700 (PDT), Boltar

wrote:

On Oct 16, 11:53 am, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected]
wrote:
Broadcasting is a one-to-many form of communication where many
receivers all receiver the same information from a single source.
Internet radio is therefore a form of broadcasting.

Broadcasting involves switching the equipment on and just receiving
the data. It does not involve the equipment having to request for
data
to be sent from the radio transmitter which is what happens on the
internet using normal TCP connections. And what is the difference
between the one to many of a website homepage download or a million
people ftp'ing the latest firefox update and the one to many of a
stream download? Nothing. So either they're all broadcast or none
of
them are.


Downloading an MP3 file consists of one user downloading a file
from
one source at a time unique to that user. Downloading is not
broadcasting.

Correct. But neither is downloading a stream. There is no
difference -
the file is not unique to the user and many people could be
downloading at the same time. The exact same thing can be said for
a
stream.

The only reason you don't want to classify Internet radio as being
a
form of broadcasting is because the streams are currently still
using
unicast. Once they switch to using multicast (which consists of a
single stream being received by multiple receivers, not one stream
per
user), would you still object to that being called broadcasting?
If
so, why?

I'd say thats a kind of halfway house depending on how it works.
Pure
multicasting is broadcasting because theres no action on the client
side to request the data , its just there already and you get it if
you want it but I suspect you'll have to request a router to send
you
the stream. Possibly a new word needs to be thought up.

B2003


It's not broadcasting if I can't receive it on my wireless set.


http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/in...rnet_radio.htm



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The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

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"Boltar" wrote in message

On Oct 16, 11:53 am, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
Broadcasting is a one-to-many form of communication where many
receivers all receiver the same information from a single source.
Internet radio is therefore a form of broadcasting.

Broadcasting involves switching the equipment on and just receiving
the data.


That's exactly what happens when I switch on a Wi-Fi Internet radio -
it just tunes into the last station I was listening to.


It does not involve the equipment having to request for data
to be sent from the radio transmitter which is what happens on the
internet using normal TCP connections.


A DAB radio has to "connect" to the right radio station's datastream.


And what is the difference
between the one to many of a website homepage download or a million
people ftp'ing the latest firefox update and the one to many of a
stream download? Nothing. So either they're all broadcast or none of
them are.


There is a big difference: people receiving an Internet radio stream
are receiving the same stream as everyone else at the same time,
whereas that isn't the case with downloading things, because people
start downloading at different times.


Downloading an MP3 file consists of one user downloading a file
from
one source at a time unique to that user. Downloading is not
broadcasting.

Correct. But neither is downloading a stream. There is no
difference -
the file is not unique to the user and many people could be
downloading at the same time. The exact same thing can be said for a
stream.


No, you're ignoring the time element again.


The only reason you don't want to classify Internet radio as being
a
form of broadcasting is because the streams are currently still
using
unicast. Once they switch to using multicast (which consists of a
single stream being received by multiple receivers, not one stream
per
user), would you still object to that being called broadcasting? If
so, why?

I'd say thats a kind of halfway house depending on how it works.
Pure
multicasting is broadcasting because theres no action on the client
side to request the data , its just there already and you get it if
you want it but I suspect you'll have to request a router to send
you
the stream. Possibly a new word needs to be thought up.


The client does have to contact a router to join a multicast group,
but a DAB radio has to "connect to" a radio station's datastream as
well.

Internet radio is blatantly broadcast. Stop being pedantic.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm