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When I mentioned a few of things my neighbours had been getting up to
recently, Bill Wright asked if there was any possibility of some
pictures for his rogues gallery.

Having eventually found a round tuit, I decided to sort something out.

I thought this might have a wider audience and did create it as a html
document with embedded pictures to make it easier to follow but,
unfortunately, I can't upload the image files for some reason. So,
instead, here's the version you'll have to put together yourselves!

If I resolve my upload problem, I'll post the url here.

Terry
__________________________________________________ ______

When a Somalian family moved in a few years ago, a large steerable
satellite dish appeared over the front door soon afterwards. It was
installed on December 25th (!) and spent much of its time pointing well
to the east. When they left, the dish went with them but the after the
current occupants, a Kurdish family, moved in, another dish appeared in
the same position.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/ktv5.jpg

This time it is a fixed dish. The next picture was taken with the camera
directly in line with Astra 28.2° so, although the dish now points west
of Astra, it will be obvious that the previous dish spent a lot of time
with nearly 50% of its surface hidden behind the window bay! The
current dish appears to be pointing to Hot Bird 6 at 13° which, by a
strange coincidence, carries Kurdistan TV.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/ktv1.jpg

The next thing to appear was a garden shed

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ours/shed1.jpg

which was soon adorned by a small UHF aerial at the northern end
(furthest from the house) with the cable clipped across the roof through
the new roofing felt ... As the backs of these houses face virtually
due north, and Crystal Palace is to the south west, the aerial was
pointed towards the roof at a jaunty angle! This obviously wasn’t a
success as it disappeared after a very short time.

I didn’t spot its replacement for quite a while – it was an Astra dish
fastened to the trunk of a tree at the bottom of the garden.
Unfortunately I didn’t get the chance to get a photo of either of these
experiments until after the surprise arrival of leaves on the tree
forced a rethink!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/s1.jpg

The current solution is a pole at the end of the garden, close to the
garden fence. The dish is very clearly fixed with a couple of wood screws –

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/sfix.jpg

and the F connector could do with a bit of weatherproofing -

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/sf.jpg

but at least it’s close to the ground when attention is needed. (It also
has a tendency to sway in the wind ....!)

The cable is gravity fed down the wooden mast

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ours/spole.jpg

which is clearly marked “REJECT”! before being clipped along the top of
the fence

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ours/scab1.jpg

before running up to and along the roof of the shed, as can be seen in
the earlier picture. It finally enters the house through the frame of
the French Window.

The gazebos which can be seen (as well as some polyethylene sheeting at
the side of the house) are storage space for large quantities of
electronic equipment – mainly hands-free telephones but also including
the odd microwave – which arrive by the palette load quite frequently.
(As houses in this area don’t have rear access, it all has to be
unpacked at the front and ferried through the house by hand!) I dread to
think how much moisture is absorbed by this stock, particularly in view
of the horrendous downpours we’ve been having over the past few months.

The stock obviously gets sold on at numerous boot sales and, on their
return from one of these, the lady of the house was seen to be
brandishing their latest acquisition in the TV reception game – a
bright, shiny, flimsy contract aerial. This appeared briefly immediately
above the Hot Bird dish but obviously needed a little elevation, so it
was quickly provided with a mast.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/ktv4.jpg

As you can see, considerable thought went into this. It may look like
broom handle, wedged into the top of the dish bracket, to you or me but
they were obviously worried about the performance hit of a metal mast
passing between the aerial elements ...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/u1.jpg

Look closely and you will see the scientifically designed non-metallic
clamping mechanism

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/u1.jpg

and the graceful way that the downlead uses the folded dipole for
support as it prepares for its free-fall descent!

I’m surprised that they didn’t do more research before embarking on the
back garden sky dish as immediately opposite

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cab1.jpg

is an excellent example of the well known ‘lob it over the roof’ method.

A few doors down, a house that has stood empty for a few years has been
split into two flats a recently been re-occupied. This pair of dishes
appeared almost immediately

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...hbours/2d2.jpg

Note how, in the process of installing the chimney mounted dish, the
coping stone on the firewall has been dislodged ...

Just round the corner, I spotted another new low-level UHF installation-

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cru1.jpg

From this view, you can see it is trying to make up for its lack of
altitude:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cru2.jpg

but I’m not sure if somebody hasn’t been given a bit of duff information
along the line.

The road runs virtually north/south (to the left of the picture is 13°
EGN. ) Crystal Palace is, as I said earlier, 214° EGN, so where is that
array pointing?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cru3.jpg

Ah! Of course! with that bearing and upward tilt it’s obviously aiming
at Astra!

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:51:47 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
The road runs virtually north/south (to the left of the picture is 13°
EGN. ) Crystal Palace is, as I said earlier, 214° EGN, so where is that
array pointing?

Could it possibly be pointing to

a) a signal from Crystal Palace reflected off some wall?

b) Alexandra Palace relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

c) Edmonton relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

d) Hampstead Heath relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

e) Kensal Town relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

Inquiring minds demand to know the answer to this perplexing puzzle! ;+)

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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:51:47 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
The road runs virtually north/south (to the left of the picture is 13°
EGN. ) Crystal Palace is, as I said earlier, 214° EGN, so where is that
array pointing?

Could it possibly be pointing to

a) a signal from Crystal Palace reflected off some wall?

b) Alexandra Palace relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

c) Edmonton relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

d) Hampstead Heath relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

e) Kensal Town relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

Inquiring minds demand to know the answer to this perplexing puzzle! ;+)

Hannington?

or is it re-transmitting a signal recieved from a satellite on towards a
neighbour?

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:47:51 +0100, charles wrote:
Hannington?
It appeared that the antenna was pointing east, so that would rule out
Hannington, unless they are trying to receive it through the back end of
the antenna, which does sometimes work in areas of strong signal.

or is it re-transmitting a signal recieved from a satellite on towards a
neighbour?
Would they not require a transmitting licence to do that? ;+)

W The Neighbours
 

"Terry Casey" wrote in message
...

When a Somalian family moved in a few years ago, a large steerable
satellite dish appeared over the front door soon afterwards. It was
installed on December 25th (!) and spent much of its time pointing well to
the east. When they left, the dish went with them but the after the
current occupants, a Kurdish family, moved in, another dish appeared in
the same position.


The gazebos which can be seen (as well as some polyethylene sheeting at
the side of the house) are storage space for large quantities of
electronic equipment – mainly hands-free telephones but also including the
odd microwave – which arrive by the palette load quite frequently. (As
houses in this area don’t have rear access, it all has to be unpacked at
the front and ferried through the house by hand!) I dread to think how
much moisture is absorbed by this stock, particularly in view of the
horrendous downpours we’ve been having over the past few months.

The stock obviously gets sold on at numerous boot sales..

Terry you're a lucky old sod, thanks to New Labour you can bask in the sheer
ethnic entrepreneurial vibrancy of it all!.. BTW you don't happen to live
in the Bristol area do you?

W The Neighbours
 

On 17/09/2008 21:41, Ivan wrote:

you don't happen to live in the Bristol area do you?

How would that square with "Crystal Palace is to the south west"?

W The Neighbours
 

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
et...
On 17/09/2008 21:41, Ivan wrote:

you don't happen to live in the Bristol area do you?

How would that square with "Crystal Palace is to the south west"?

DX?

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J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:51:47 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
The road runs virtually north/south (to the left of the picture is 13°
EGN. ) Crystal Palace is, as I said earlier, 214° EGN, so where is that
array pointing?

Could it possibly be pointing to

a) a signal from Crystal Palace reflected off some wall?

b) Alexandra Palace relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

c) Edmonton relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

d) Hampstead Heath relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

e) Kensal Town relay, which although a relay, does transmit with
horizontal polarization

Inquiring minds demand to know the answer to this perplexing puzzle! ;+)

I think you are possibly directionally dyslectic!

a) The reflection would be, primarily, off the houses directly opposite
(50 - 100m max). The crossroads to the south is 90° (as near as makes no
difference) so, as the refective surface is tilted 13°E and Astra is
148° ETN (the aerial direction is approximate, so any difference between
True North and Grid North is immaterial) so the aerial, as viewed from
the houses opposite, is 71°W and the reflection 71°E. Adding back the
13° offset gives 84°EGN, 130° off the Crystal Palace bearing. (These
houses do have rear extentions but reflections of these would
re-directed off the adjacent property in the same direction.)

b, c, d & e) Are equally farcical! Even ignoring the low power of these
relays, they are all in completely the wrong direction! Their bearings,
wrt to the Astra alignment, and distances a

Alexandra Palace 131° 16km
Edmonton 151° 12km
Hampstead Heath 115° 18km
Kensal Town 107° 21km

Terry

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J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:47:51 +0100, charles wrote:
Hannington?
It appeared that the antenna was pointing east, so that would rule out
Hannington, unless they are trying to receive it through the back end of
the antenna, which does sometimes work in areas of strong signal.


Hannington - 104° off-beam at a range of 97km?

Terry

W The Neighbours
 

Andy Burns wrote:
On 17/09/2008 21:41, Ivan wrote:

you don't happen to live in the Bristol area do you?

How would that square with "Crystal Palace is to the south west"?

I'm glad someone's awake!

Terry

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:19:31 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
I think you are possibly directionally dyslectic!
Probably -- I had incorrectly thought that the rooftop
antenna pointing at Crystal Palace was pointing in a south west direction.

So, using that as a point of reference, in which direction, is it
pointing?

Remember Sir, that you have the advantage of being familiar with the
local terrain, and some of us are only seeing these photographs without
that advantage.

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:51:47 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...tv/neighbours/
cru3.jpg

In this photograph, the satellite dish is presumably pointing South East
towards Astra 28.2?

The wall height antenna appears to be pointing in the same direction
South East?

The rooftop antennas are therefore pointing south west to Crystal palace?

YES / NO ?

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:06:02 +0200, J G Miller wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:19:31 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
I think you are possibly directionally dyslectic!
Probably -- I had incorrectly thought that the rooftop
antenna pointing at Crystal Palace was pointing in a south west direction.

So, using that as a point of reference, in which direction, is it
pointing?

Remember Sir, that you have the advantage of being familiar with the
local terrain, and some of us are only seeing these photographs without
that advantage.

Inside the neighbours' house:

A: Have you noticed the man next door taking photos of our house and garden?

B: Yes. He seems to be fascinated by aerials.

A: So he does. I have a spare aerial.

B: Why don't you put it up and point it in a random direction.

A: [chuckle] That should give him something to think about.

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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:47:51 +0100, charles wrote:
Hannington?
It appeared that the antenna was pointing east, so that would rule out
Hannington, unless they are trying to receive it through the back end of
the antenna, which does sometimes work in areas of strong signal.

or is it re-transmitting a signal recieved from a satellite on towards a
neighbour?
Would they not require a transmitting licence to do that? ;+)

since when have people bothered to try and get one? There was a Coral shop
in Shepherds Bush that did it.

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

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Near here is Tolworth Tower, and in some places around there I'm reliably
informed that a better signal is to be had by pointing at the tower, then at
Crystal Palace.

Such is life I guess.

Actually, from your descriptions many of the elevation design solutions
have been used by me when I was young and playing with aerials, though none
were meant for long term use!

Brian
Brian

--
Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email.
graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
Email:
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________


"Terry Casey" wrote in message
...
When I mentioned a few of things my neighbours had been getting up to
recently, Bill Wright asked if there was any possibility of some pictures
for his rogues gallery.

Having eventually found a round tuit, I decided to sort something out.

I thought this might have a wider audience and did create it as a html
document with embedded pictures to make it easier to follow but,
unfortunately, I can't upload the image files for some reason. So,
instead, here's the version you'll have to put together yourselves!

If I resolve my upload problem, I'll post the url here.

Terry
__________________________________________________ ______

When a Somalian family moved in a few years ago, a large steerable
satellite dish appeared over the front door soon afterwards. It was
installed on December 25th (!) and spent much of its time pointing well to
the east. When they left, the dish went with them but the after the
current occupants, a Kurdish family, moved in, another dish appeared in
the same position.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/ktv5.jpg

This time it is a fixed dish. The next picture was taken with the camera
directly in line with Astra 28.2° so, although the dish now points west of
Astra, it will be obvious that the previous dish spent a lot of time with
nearly 50% of its surface hidden behind the window bay! The current dish
appears to be pointing to Hot Bird 6 at 13° which, by a strange
coincidence, carries Kurdistan TV.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/ktv1.jpg

The next thing to appear was a garden shed

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ours/shed1.jpg

which was soon adorned by a small UHF aerial at the northern end (furthest
from the house) with the cable clipped across the roof through the new
roofing felt ... As the backs of these houses face virtually due north,
and Crystal Palace is to the south west, the aerial was pointed towards
the roof at a jaunty angle! This obviously wasn’t a success as it
disappeared after a very short time.

I didn’t spot its replacement for quite a while – it was an Astra dish
fastened to the trunk of a tree at the bottom of the garden. Unfortunately
I didn’t get the chance to get a photo of either of these experiments
until after the surprise arrival of leaves on the tree forced a rethink!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/s1.jpg

The current solution is a pole at the end of the garden, close to the
garden fence. The dish is very clearly fixed with a couple of wood
screws –

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/sfix.jpg

and the F connector could do with a bit of weatherproofing -

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/sf.jpg

but at least it’s close to the ground when attention is needed. (It also
has a tendency to sway in the wind ....!)

The cable is gravity fed down the wooden mast

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ours/spole.jpg

which is clearly marked “REJECT”! before being clipped along the top of
the fence

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ours/scab1.jpg

before running up to and along the roof of the shed, as can be seen in the
earlier picture. It finally enters the house through the frame of the
French Window.

The gazebos which can be seen (as well as some polyethylene sheeting at
the side of the house) are storage space for large quantities of
electronic equipment – mainly hands-free telephones but also including the
odd microwave – which arrive by the palette load quite frequently. (As
houses in this area don’t have rear access, it all has to be unpacked at
the front and ferried through the house by hand!) I dread to think how
much moisture is absorbed by this stock, particularly in view of the
horrendous downpours we’ve been having over the past few months.

The stock obviously gets sold on at numerous boot sales and, on their
return from one of these, the lady of the house was seen to be brandishing
their latest acquisition in the TV reception game – a bright, shiny,
flimsy contract aerial. This appeared briefly immediately above the Hot
Bird dish but obviously needed a little elevation, so it was quickly
provided with a mast.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/ktv4.jpg

As you can see, considerable thought went into this. It may look like
broom handle, wedged into the top of the dish bracket, to you or me but
they were obviously worried about the performance hit of a metal mast
passing between the aerial elements ...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/u1.jpg

Look closely and you will see the scientifically designed non-metallic
clamping mechanism

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ghbours/u1.jpg

and the graceful way that the downlead uses the folded dipole for support
as it prepares for its free-fall descent!

I’m surprised that they didn’t do more research before embarking on the
back garden sky dish as immediately opposite

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cab1.jpg

is an excellent example of the well known ‘lob it over the roof’ method.

A few doors down, a house that has stood empty for a few years has been
split into two flats a recently been re-occupied. This pair of dishes
appeared almost immediately

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...hbours/2d2.jpg

Note how, in the process of installing the chimney mounted dish, the
coping stone on the firewall has been dislodged ...

Just round the corner, I spotted another new low-level UHF installation-

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cru1.jpg

From this view, you can see it is trying to make up for its lack of
altitude:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cru2.jpg

but I’m not sure if somebody hasn’t been given a bit of duff information
along the line.

The road runs virtually north/south (to the left of the picture is 13°
EGN. ) Crystal Palace is, as I said earlier, 214° EGN, so where is that
array pointing?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...bours/cru3.jpg

Ah! Of course! with that bearing and upward tilt it’s obviously aiming at
Astra!

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What people require and what people actually do are often not related in
fact.

I've done some tests in years gone by and its surprisingly easy to move uhf
signals around this way, though a little limited as only one channel can be
done unless you get some very complicated gear.

Brian

--
Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email.
graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
Email:
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________


"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:47:51 +0100, charles wrote:
Hannington?
It appeared that the antenna was pointing east, so that would rule out
Hannington, unless they are trying to receive it through the back end of
the antenna, which does sometimes work in areas of strong signal.

or is it re-transmitting a signal recieved from a satellite on towards a
neighbour?
Would they not require a transmitting licence to do that? ;+)

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J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:51:47 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...tv/neighbours/
cru3.jpg

In this photograph, the satellite dish is presumably pointing South East
towards Astra 28.2?

The wall height antenna appears to be pointing in the same direction
South East?

The rooftop antennas are therefore pointing south west to Crystal palace?

YES / NO ?

YES

Also, if you look above the wall height antenna, you can see an Astra
above it.

Terry

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Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:06:02 +0200, J G Miller wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:19:31 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
I think you are possibly directionally dyslectic!
Probably -- I had incorrectly thought that the rooftop
antenna pointing at Crystal Palace was pointing in a south west direction.

So, using that as a point of reference, in which direction, is it
pointing?

Remember Sir, that you have the advantage of being familiar with the
local terrain, and some of us are only seeing these photographs without
that advantage.

Inside the neighbours' house:

A: Have you noticed the man next door taking photos of our house and garden?

B: Yes. He seems to be fascinated by aerials.

A: So he does. I have a spare aerial.

B: Why don't you put it up and point it in a random direction.

A: [chuckle] That should give him something to think about.

Good try!

However, I noticed this aerial BEFORE I started taking any of the
photographs ...

Terry

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J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:19:31 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
I think you are possibly directionally dyslectic!
Probably -- I had incorrectly thought that the rooftop
antenna pointing at Crystal Palace was pointing in a south west direction.

So, using that as a point of reference, in which direction, is it
pointing?


I think you've covered this yourself in a later posting.

However, you have far more than the photographs to go on - I had stated
that the bearing to CP is 214° EGN and Astra is going to be reasonably
constant for the purposes of this discussion, giving a difference of 66°
between the two.

I had also said that the road "road runs virtually north/south" so you
had plenty of information to go on.

Remember Sir, that you have the advantage of being familiar with the
local terrain, and some of us are only seeing these photographs without
that advantage.

If the local terrain was a significant factor, I would have mentioned it
but, for the record, for the purposes of this discussion, it is sensibly
flat with no major man made obstructions (although that is about to
change, unfortunately.)

Terry

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In article ,
Terry Casey wrote:
If the local terrain was a significant factor, I would have mentioned it
but, for the record, for the purposes of this discussion, it is sensibly
flat with no major man made obstructions (although that is about to
change, unfortunately.)

You're not saying more people actually want to live there? ;-)

--
*On the seventh day He brewed beer *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Terry Casey wrote:
If the local terrain was a significant factor, I would have mentioned it
but, for the record, for the purposes of this discussion, it is sensibly
flat with no major man made obstructions (although that is about to
change, unfortunately.)

You're not saying more people actually want to live there? ;-)


Yes, unfortunately - and more to the point, as far as this topic is
concerned, that they all seem to want to live much nearer to the Clarke
Belt than the rest of us!

Terry

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:06:09 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
YES
Thank you.

So the rogue antenna is pointing roughly in a south eastwards direction.

Therefore if you were sufficiently north, this antenna could therefore
be pointing at Edmonton which is in the east of Greater London?

Admittedly my other suggestion of Alexandra Palace was unreasonable,
since it is unlikely that there are neighborhoods of your architecture
and density sufficiently north, and if you were were east of Hampstead
Heath and Kensal Town, the direction for Crystal Palace would be south
east and not south west.

Thanking you once again for your interesting presentation and explanation.

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J G Miller wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:06:09 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
YES
Thank you.

So the rogue antenna is pointing roughly in a south eastwards direction.

Therefore if you were sufficiently north, this antenna could therefore
be pointing at Edmonton which is in the east of Greater London?


Sorry to patronise you with yet another maths lesson but remember that
CP is 214° from here.

Therefore, the bearing from CP is (214-180) = 34°E (Very approximately
in the direction of Sudbury)

If you look at my reply to your previous Edmonton suggestion, you will
note that it is 151°E of the Astra alignment (it is actually 299°ETN
from here - which places it 12km WEST. (In fact, Edmonton is 2°EGN of CP
- due north, as near as makes no odds!)

Admittedly my other suggestion of Alexandra Palace was unreasonable,
since it is unlikely that there are neighborhoods of your architecture
and density sufficiently north, and if you were were east of Hampstead
Heath and Kensal Town, the direction for Crystal Palace would be south
east and not south west.

Thanking you once again for your interesting presentation and explanation.


In fact, if you take all the data I've presented in various posts, you
should be able to pinpoint this location to a very high degree of
accuracy - transmitter locations are taken from published data and even
allowing for rounding to the nearest degree and km, the average of all
the possible bearings must surely coincide quite accurately?

If anyone would like to take up the challenge of reverse engineering my
data, (assuming no-one has already done so) I would be very interested
in seeing the results!

Terry

Terry

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If anyone would like to take up the challenge of reverse engineering
my
data, (assuming no-one has already done so) I would be very interested
in seeing the results!


somewhere around TQ 448 880 near Newbury Park? Possibly Glebelands Avn
or Stainforth Rd. (That's using your distances/bearings for Ally Pally
etc and assuming WGS84. I can't be bothered - ie wd find it too
difficult - to repeat on the assumption that you are using OSGB36. But
why not just tell people where you are and save all the bother? After
all, give Google a couple of years more and we'll just look for the
aerials of the antennas.)

--
Robin

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neverwas wrote:
If anyone would like to take up the challenge of reverse engineering
my
data, (assuming no-one has already done so) I would be very interested
in seeing the results!


somewhere around TQ 448 880 near Newbury Park? Possibly Glebelands Avn
or Stainforth Rd. (That's using your distances/bearings for Ally Pally
etc and assuming WGS84. I can't be bothered - ie wd find it too
difficult - to repeat on the assumption that you are using OSGB36. But
why not just tell people where you are and save all the bother? After
all, give Google a couple of years more and we'll just look for the
aerials of the antennas.)


That's not bad at all! Any advance?

Actually, I never intended to discuss the precise location but J G
Miller kept misreading all the evidence presented and his guesswork was
so wildly inaccurate that I kept on providing more and more information.

My distances and bearings are calculated on an Excel spreadsheet quite
simply by calculating the differences between Landranger grid references
(after translating the letters as not all the Tx sites I was interested
in are on the sheet TQ.)

Then it's simple trigonometry to calculate angles and Pythagoras for
distance and logic to get the bearing into the correct quadrant.

Terry

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since when have people bothered to try and get one? There was a Coral
shop
in Shepherds Bush that did it.

I never saw that (but I can well believe it)
I used to commission the early SIS systems when we upgraded the
sites from the old Extel "blower"
As I recall, some shops in city centers where a dish could not be
accommodated were fed by a specially laid BT coax cable from a
competitors shop.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:07:01 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
Therefore, the bearing from CP is (214-180) = 34°E (Very approximately
in the direction of Sudbury)

Thanks for taking the time to explain all.

Unlike yourself, I have never had to think about compass directions in
degrees, and sometimes determining which is "left" and which is "right"
can be a challenge. ;+)

So now that it has been revealed that the antenna is pointing somewhat
towards Sudbury (a thought which had originally passed by, believe it
or not) the question is, do you get a sufficiently good signal from
there at your location in order to watch Look East (which seems
rather appropriately named for Kurdish viewers)?

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J G Miller wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:07:01 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
Therefore, the bearing from CP is (214-180) = 34°E (Very approximately
in the direction of Sudbury)

Thanks for taking the time to explain all.

Unlike yourself, I have never had to think about compass directions in
degrees, and sometimes determining which is "left" and which is "right"
can be a challenge. ;+)

So now that it has been revealed that the antenna is pointing somewhat
towards Sudbury (a thought which had originally passed by, believe it
or not) the question is, do you get a sufficiently good signal from
there at your location in order to watch Look East (which seems
rather appropriately named for Kurdish viewers)?

No! No! No!

If you recall, I was attempting to explain how we could not possibly be
west of Edmonton.

If Crystal Palace is 214°EGN from here - SSW if you prefer - then _WE_
are on the reciprocal bearing, as viewed from from CP, of 34° or NNE.
That's around 20° off-beam for Sudbury but gave you the general direction.

Nobody has an aerial pointing to Sudbury! Also you are confusing
different installations - my Kurdish neighbours' broomstick mast aerial
does point to CP (approximately) but the one in question, as clearly
stated in the original post, is in another road nearby which runs approx
NS. Our road, as will be obvious from the post and the pictures, runs
EW. (Astra doesn't move around much, no matter where in the UK you are,
it's always to the SE!)

Apologies if I've confused you at any time but you do seem to have
misread or misunderstood the original post in the first place, then
convinced yourself that these incorrect assumptions are unshakeably true.

Terry

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Terry Casey wrote:

Yes, unfortunately - and more to the point, as far as this topic is
concerned, that they all seem to want to live much nearer to the Clarke
Belt than the rest of us!

Terry

From where we are that means south, rather than the up I suspect you mean.

We *are* 54 (ish) degrees north...

Andy

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Andy Champ wrote:
Terry Casey wrote:

Yes, unfortunately - and more to the point, as far as this topic is
concerned, that they all seem to want to live much nearer to the
Clarke Belt than the rest of us!

Terry

From where we are that means south, rather than the up I suspect you mean.

We *are* 54 (ish) degrees north...


Ah yes! I was referring to altitude rather than latitude!

Now, if we could persuade the buyers/tenants of all these new buildings
to move a couple of degrees south ...!

Terry

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Terry Casey wrote:
When I mentioned a few of things my neighbours had been getting up to
recently, Bill Wright asked if there was any possibility of some
pictures for his rogues gallery.

Having eventually found a round tuit, I decided to sort something out.

I thought this might have a wider audience and did create it as a html
document with embedded pictures to make it easier to follow but,
unfortunately, I can't upload the image files for some reason. So,
instead, here's the version you'll have to put together yourselves!

If I resolve my upload problem, I'll post the url here.

Terry

I managed to get my upload problem sorted, so here's the link:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/k-type/neighbours.htm

Any of you who skipped this the first time round because of all the
links to follow can now see this with only one click ...!

Terry

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Terry Casey wrote:
Terry Casey wrote:
When I mentioned a few of things my neighbours had been getting up to
recently, Bill Wright asked if there was any possibility of some
pictures for his rogues gallery.

Having eventually found a round tuit, I decided to sort something out.

I thought this might have a wider audience and did create it as a html
document with embedded pictures to make it easier to follow but,
unfortunately, I can't upload the image files for some reason. So,
instead, here's the version you'll have to put together yourselves!

If I resolve my upload problem, I'll post the url here.

Terry

I managed to get my upload problem sorted, so here's the link:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/k-type/neighbours.htm

Any of you who skipped this the first time round because of all the
links to follow can now see this with only one click ...!

Terry
One simple comment....Bloody Hell!


Rob.