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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Terry Casey wrote:
If the local terrain was a significant factor, I would have mentioned it
but, for the record, for the purposes of this discussion, it is sensibly
flat with no major man made obstructions (although that is about to
change, unfortunately.)

You're not saying more people actually want to live there? ;-)


Yes, unfortunately - and more to the point, as far as this topic is
concerned, that they all seem to want to live much nearer to the Clarke
Belt than the rest of us!

Terry

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:06:09 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
YES
Thank you.

So the rogue antenna is pointing roughly in a south eastwards direction.

Therefore if you were sufficiently north, this antenna could therefore
be pointing at Edmonton which is in the east of Greater London?

Admittedly my other suggestion of Alexandra Palace was unreasonable,
since it is unlikely that there are neighborhoods of your architecture
and density sufficiently north, and if you were were east of Hampstead
Heath and Kensal Town, the direction for Crystal Palace would be south
east and not south west.

Thanking you once again for your interesting presentation and explanation.

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J G Miller wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:06:09 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
YES
Thank you.

So the rogue antenna is pointing roughly in a south eastwards direction.

Therefore if you were sufficiently north, this antenna could therefore
be pointing at Edmonton which is in the east of Greater London?


Sorry to patronise you with yet another maths lesson but remember that
CP is 214° from here.

Therefore, the bearing from CP is (214-180) = 34°E (Very approximately
in the direction of Sudbury)

If you look at my reply to your previous Edmonton suggestion, you will
note that it is 151°E of the Astra alignment (it is actually 299°ETN
from here - which places it 12km WEST. (In fact, Edmonton is 2°EGN of CP
- due north, as near as makes no odds!)

Admittedly my other suggestion of Alexandra Palace was unreasonable,
since it is unlikely that there are neighborhoods of your architecture
and density sufficiently north, and if you were were east of Hampstead
Heath and Kensal Town, the direction for Crystal Palace would be south
east and not south west.

Thanking you once again for your interesting presentation and explanation.


In fact, if you take all the data I've presented in various posts, you
should be able to pinpoint this location to a very high degree of
accuracy - transmitter locations are taken from published data and even
allowing for rounding to the nearest degree and km, the average of all
the possible bearings must surely coincide quite accurately?

If anyone would like to take up the challenge of reverse engineering my
data, (assuming no-one has already done so) I would be very interested
in seeing the results!

Terry

Terry

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If anyone would like to take up the challenge of reverse engineering
my
data, (assuming no-one has already done so) I would be very interested
in seeing the results!


somewhere around TQ 448 880 near Newbury Park? Possibly Glebelands Avn
or Stainforth Rd. (That's using your distances/bearings for Ally Pally
etc and assuming WGS84. I can't be bothered - ie wd find it too
difficult - to repeat on the assumption that you are using OSGB36. But
why not just tell people where you are and save all the bother? After
all, give Google a couple of years more and we'll just look for the
aerials of the antennas.)

--
Robin

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neverwas wrote:
If anyone would like to take up the challenge of reverse engineering
my
data, (assuming no-one has already done so) I would be very interested
in seeing the results!


somewhere around TQ 448 880 near Newbury Park? Possibly Glebelands Avn
or Stainforth Rd. (That's using your distances/bearings for Ally Pally
etc and assuming WGS84. I can't be bothered - ie wd find it too
difficult - to repeat on the assumption that you are using OSGB36. But
why not just tell people where you are and save all the bother? After
all, give Google a couple of years more and we'll just look for the
aerials of the antennas.)


That's not bad at all! Any advance?

Actually, I never intended to discuss the precise location but J G
Miller kept misreading all the evidence presented and his guesswork was
so wildly inaccurate that I kept on providing more and more information.

My distances and bearings are calculated on an Excel spreadsheet quite
simply by calculating the differences between Landranger grid references
(after translating the letters as not all the Tx sites I was interested
in are on the sheet TQ.)

Then it's simple trigonometry to calculate angles and Pythagoras for
distance and logic to get the bearing into the correct quadrant.

Terry

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since when have people bothered to try and get one? There was a Coral
shop
in Shepherds Bush that did it.

I never saw that (but I can well believe it)
I used to commission the early SIS systems when we upgraded the
sites from the old Extel "blower"
As I recall, some shops in city centers where a dish could not be
accommodated were fed by a specially laid BT coax cable from a
competitors shop.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:07:01 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
Therefore, the bearing from CP is (214-180) = 34°E (Very approximately
in the direction of Sudbury)

Thanks for taking the time to explain all.

Unlike yourself, I have never had to think about compass directions in
degrees, and sometimes determining which is "left" and which is "right"
can be a challenge. ;+)

So now that it has been revealed that the antenna is pointing somewhat
towards Sudbury (a thought which had originally passed by, believe it
or not) the question is, do you get a sufficiently good signal from
there at your location in order to watch Look East (which seems
rather appropriately named for Kurdish viewers)?

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J G Miller wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:07:01 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
Therefore, the bearing from CP is (214-180) = 34°E (Very approximately
in the direction of Sudbury)

Thanks for taking the time to explain all.

Unlike yourself, I have never had to think about compass directions in
degrees, and sometimes determining which is "left" and which is "right"
can be a challenge. ;+)

So now that it has been revealed that the antenna is pointing somewhat
towards Sudbury (a thought which had originally passed by, believe it
or not) the question is, do you get a sufficiently good signal from
there at your location in order to watch Look East (which seems
rather appropriately named for Kurdish viewers)?

No! No! No!

If you recall, I was attempting to explain how we could not possibly be
west of Edmonton.

If Crystal Palace is 214°EGN from here - SSW if you prefer - then _WE_
are on the reciprocal bearing, as viewed from from CP, of 34° or NNE.
That's around 20° off-beam for Sudbury but gave you the general direction.

Nobody has an aerial pointing to Sudbury! Also you are confusing
different installations - my Kurdish neighbours' broomstick mast aerial
does point to CP (approximately) but the one in question, as clearly
stated in the original post, is in another road nearby which runs approx
NS. Our road, as will be obvious from the post and the pictures, runs
EW. (Astra doesn't move around much, no matter where in the UK you are,
it's always to the SE!)

Apologies if I've confused you at any time but you do seem to have
misread or misunderstood the original post in the first place, then
convinced yourself that these incorrect assumptions are unshakeably true.

Terry

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Terry Casey wrote:

Yes, unfortunately - and more to the point, as far as this topic is
concerned, that they all seem to want to live much nearer to the Clarke
Belt than the rest of us!

Terry

From where we are that means south, rather than the up I suspect you mean.

We *are* 54 (ish) degrees north...

Andy

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Andy Champ wrote:
Terry Casey wrote:

Yes, unfortunately - and more to the point, as far as this topic is
concerned, that they all seem to want to live much nearer to the
Clarke Belt than the rest of us!

Terry

From where we are that means south, rather than the up I suspect you mean.

We *are* 54 (ish) degrees north...


Ah yes! I was referring to altitude rather than latitude!

Now, if we could persuade the buyers/tenants of all these new buildings
to move a couple of degrees south ...!

Terry