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How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
Hi all. I've got a problem. My friend is hosting a charity
playstation event at her house, and has asked me to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 for the singstar game (ie, one TV facing the singers and another facing the crowd!) Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. I think we're talking SCART then. How on earth would I go about doing this? Also, she needs the same solution with a PS2 as well as the PS3. If anyone knows of any cables that could do this, I'd be grateful to know how! Thanks! |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
On 03/09/2008 16:19, Paul wrote:
to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. I think we're talking SCART then. How on earth would I go about doing this? If you use a passive splitter cable, you won't get a good result, Maplin sell a powered scart distribution box http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=47416 Or you could use an RF Modulator and then split the output to the aerial inputs of two TVs http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=33050 |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
Paul wrote:
Hi all. I've got a problem. My friend is hosting a charity playstation event at her house, and has asked me to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 for the singstar game (ie, one TV facing the singers and another facing the crowd!) Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. I think we're talking SCART then. How on earth would I go about doing this? Also, she needs the same solution with a PS2 as well as the PS3. If anyone knows of any cables that could do this, I'd be grateful to know how! Without resorting to DAs, there might be a way. Some TV sets allow you to define the output coming from their Scart socket. The default condition is usually the TV's own tuner, but on some models you can set the input to one of the AV inputs, to be the output from another. Might be worth looking closely at the set up menus. If so, then you connect the PS3 to one TV, and feed the second one from the first. Only likely to be composite, I've not seen RGB routing ever used. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
I'd imagine the modulator route will be pretty naff if the definition etc,
is important. Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "Andy Burns" wrote in message et... On 03/09/2008 16:19, Paul wrote: to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. I think we're talking SCART then. How on earth would I go about doing this? If you use a passive splitter cable, you won't get a good result, Maplin sell a powered scart distribution box http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=47416 Or you could use an RF Modulator and then split the output to the aerial inputs of two TVs http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=33050 |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
On 04/09/2008 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
I'd imagine the modulator route will be pretty naff if the definition etc, is important. I've used two of those modulators for in-house distribution (admittedly only to 15" screens) but quality was pretty good, sure it's not RGB/Composite/SVideo. I presume a picture that's good enough to read Karaoke style lyrics is all that's required - after all aren't most people going to be laughing with/at their mates more than inspecting the picture quality? |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT), Paul
wrote the following to uk.media.tv.misc: Hi all. I've got a problem. My friend is hosting a charity playstation event at her house, and has asked me to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 for the singstar game (ie, one TV facing the singers and another facing the crowd!) Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. I think we're talking SCART then. How on earth would I go about doing this? Also, she needs the same solution with a PS2 as well as the PS3. If anyone knows of any cables that could do this, I'd be grateful to know how! Thanks! I've got a Madcatz cable that has composite and S video connectors: http://www.madcatz.com/Default.asp?P...iversal_Cables Seems to work OK with both connectors in use at once. The one I have is fairly old but the current one has connectors for PS2, XBox and XBox 360, and Gamecube. mh. -- http://www.nukesoft.co.uk http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk From address is a blackhole. Reply-to address is valid. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
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How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
Jon wrote:
A scart y-lead would seem the obvious choice, unless I'm missing something? You'd end up double terminating the PS2. Wouldn't do any damage, but you'd get a dimmer picture than you should on both TVs. Might be good enough, because you could adjust Brightness and Contrast to compensate, but it would still be a bodge. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:52:54 +0100
Jon wrote: A scart y-lead would seem the obvious choice, unless I'm missing something? I guess you're missing the need for impedance matching. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
In message [email protected], Rob Morley
writes On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:52:54 +0100 Jon wrote: A scart y-lead would seem the obvious choice, unless I'm missing something? I guess you're missing the need for impedance matching. Apart from getting 2/3 of the correct video level, what would be the effect of double-terminating? -- Ian |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
In article , Ian Jackson wrote:
A scart y-lead would seem the obvious choice, unless I'm missing something? I guess you're missing the need for impedance matching. Apart from getting 2/3 of the correct video level, what would be the effect of double-terminating? Reflections, the effects of which would depend on the lengths of the various branches of the Y-cable. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Jon wrote: A scart y-lead would seem the obvious choice, unless I'm missing something? You'd end up double terminating the PS2. Wouldn't do any damage, but you'd get a dimmer picture than you should on both TVs. Might be good enough, because you could adjust Brightness and Contrast to compensate, but it would still be a bodge. But compared to the singing it would be OK. Bill |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... In article , Ian Jackson wrote: A scart y-lead would seem the obvious choice, unless I'm missing something? I guess you're missing the need for impedance matching. Apart from getting 2/3 of the correct video level, what would be the effect of double-terminating? Reflections, the effects of which would depend on the lengths of the various branches of the Y-cable. A bit of echo can do wonders for karaoke. Gentlemen, we need to take account of the customer's requirements. I understand that this is for a display of the words for karaoke. If so the signal source will be producing a very crude image, and the viewers will be suffering significant amounts of alcohol induced perceptual distortion. I would think the finer points of image quality are not an issue. Bill |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
Bill Wright wrote:
A bit of echo can do wonders for karaoke. Gentlemen, we need to take account of the customer's requirements. I understand that this is for a display of the words for karaoke. If so the signal source will be producing a very crude image, and the viewers will be suffering significant amounts of alcohol induced perceptual distortion. I would think the finer points of image quality are not an issue. I know, I know; but here (in uk.tech.digital-tv) we like to strive for technical excellence ;-). I can't speak for any bodgers in the other two groups this is cross posted to. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
In message , Mark Carver
writes Bill Wright wrote: A bit of echo can do wonders for karaoke. Gentlemen, we need to take account of the customer's requirements. I understand that this is for a display of the words for karaoke. If so the signal source will be producing a very crude image, and the viewers will be suffering significant amounts of alcohol induced perceptual distortion. I would think the finer points of image quality are not an issue. I know, I know; but here (in uk.tech.digital-tv) we like to strive for technical excellence ;-). I can't speak for any bodgers in the other two groups this is cross posted to. But WILL there be a problem with reflections? Assuming everything is a pretty good 75 ohms: When the forward signal from the signal source arrives at the 2-way split (which is only a T-connection), it will see an impedance of 37.5 ohms. This is an SWR of 2:1, or an RLR of 9.542dB. The reflected power is (of course) -9.542dB, or x 0.111. This power gets returned to the signal source, where it will be absorbed in its 75 ohm output impedance, and no further reflection will take place. As x 0.111 of the signal gets reflected from the T-split, x 0.889 (-0.511db) remains ongoing. This is shared by the two feeds to the TV sets, so each gets half of 0.889, ie x 0.4445 of the power. This is -3.522dB, which is x 0.667 as a voltage ratio. [Fortunately, this agrees with my simple Ohms Law calculation for a 75 ohm signal source (mis)-terminated by two 75 ohm loads in parallel.] As the video signal travels to the TV sets in 75 ohm cables, there will be no reflection when it meets the 75 ohm input of the either TV set. There will therefore be no reflection from TV set to TV set. So, provided you can increase the TV contrast and brightness to make up for a video input of 0.667V instead of the expected 1V, it appears you can get away with this 'botch'. But is it a botch? I reckon it is adequately 'technically excellent' for all but the most demanding occasions. As has been said, karaoke probably isn't one of them. -- Ian |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
"Ian Jackson" wrote in message ... But WILL there be a problem with reflections? Assuming everything is a pretty good 75 ohms: When the forward signal from the signal source arrives at the 2-way split (which is only a T-connection), it will see an impedance of 37.5 ohms. This is an SWR of 2:1, or an RLR of 9.542dB. (and so on, but this gets me onto what I want to say) There's a rather strange situation in this technical area in the CCTV world. For ages recording devices of all sorts have had a 'loop thro' output socket which have been used for feeding monitors or modulators. In effect the device itself does not terminate the line but taps from it at a fairly high impedence. If the line is to be terminated (the loop thro is not used) it has been necessary to either fit a termination on the O/P socket or set the device to 'lo Z' (this is done input by input) so the device terminates the signal. However, many of the newer HDD recorders do not have loopthough. This is often because there is now a craze for recording audio so the output sockets are now used for audio in. The manufacturers say 'set it to hi Z and use a T piece'. This works fine, as long as the line is actually terminated by a good match to a modulator or monitor. I have used modulators where it has been necessary to fit a 330ohm (or thereabouts) pot across the modulator input and adjust for best picture on the HDD machine. So it seems that what we are actually doing is taking the 75 ohm feed all the way to a termination (by fair means or foul) at the modulator, with the HDD recorder input being quite high impedence and actually acting as a tap-off. Furry muff, it works. Bill |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
In article , Bill Wright wrote:
There's a rather strange situation in this technical area in the CCTV world. For ages recording devices of all sorts have had a 'loop thro' output socket which have been used for feeding monitors or modulators. In effect the device itself does not terminate the line but taps from it at a fairly high impedence. If the line is to be terminated (the loop thro is not used) it has been necessary to either fit a termination on the O/P socket or set the device to 'lo Z' (this is done input by input) so the device terminates the signal. However, many of the newer HDD recorders do not have loopthough. This is often because there is now a craze for recording audio so the output sockets are now used for audio in. The manufacturers say 'set it to hi Z and use a T piece'. This works fine, as long as the line is actually terminated by a good match to a modulator or monitor. I have used modulators where it has been necessary to fit a 330ohm (or thereabouts) pot across the modulator input and adjust for best picture on the HDD machine. So it seems that what we are actually doing is taking the 75 ohm feed all the way to a termination (by fair means or foul) at the modulator, with the HDD recorder input being quite high impedence and actually acting as a tap-off. Furry muff, it works. It used to be common in broadcasting too for a video input to consist of two adjacent BNC sockets connected together with a wire link behind the panel, sometimes also wired to a switch next to them connecting a 75 Ohm resistor to earth (to save the bother of finding a pluggable one). Nowadays a lot of picture monitors still have the two sockets, but instead of a mechanical switch some internal circuitry to detect automatically whether that monitor is the one at the end of the cable, or an intermediate one, and apply the terminating resistor automatically. I've never discovered exactly what it detects, but as with any piece of electronics that attempts to replace a bit of human thought, sometimes it can be fooled into making the wrong decision, and of course anything that works can also become faulty. I think on balance they create more confusion than they dispel. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... Nowadays a lot of picture monitors still have the two sockets, but instead of a mechanical switch some internal circuitry to detect automatically whether that monitor is the one at the end of the cable, or an intermediate one, and apply the terminating resistor automatically. I've never discovered exactly what it detects, but as with any piece of electronics that attempts to replace a bit of human thought, sometimes it can be fooled into making the wrong decision, and of course anything that works can also become faulty. I think on balance they create more confusion than they dispel. Ah well, we installed some PCs which had the sole task of outputting Powerpoint presentations to the RF distribution system. They had a video card that would only send a composite signal out when it detected a load on the output socket. Unfortunately they did not detect perfectly good loads like the decent modulators we used, and as a result the option to output composite was greyed out. 150ohm across the output solved it and didn't bugger the picture up. Bill |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
In article , Bill Wright wrote:
Ah well, we installed some PCs which had the sole task of outputting Powerpoint presentations to the RF distribution system. They had a video card that would only send a composite signal out when it detected a load on the output socket. Unfortunately they did not detect perfectly good loads like the decent modulators we used, and as a result the option to output composite was greyed out. 150ohm across the output solved it and didn't bugger the picture up. That's the problem with electronics that tries to be clever. Sometimes it can be too clever for another bit of clever electronics, with the result that they're just too clever for each other and the combination of the two behaves as if it were stupid. Thank goodness there's still a place for human intelligence (whatever that is). Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message .myzen.co.uk... That's the problem with electronics that tries to be clever. Sometimes it can be too clever for another bit of clever electronics, with the result that they're just too clever for each other and the combination of the two behaves as if it were stupid. I went to a meeting a few weeks ago where the head honcho and his sidekick were like that. They were so busy demonstrating to each other how clever they were that they ended up making a really bad decision. Bill |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
Thanks so much to everyone here. In the end I resolved the issue by
buying a scart distribution box from maplins. I wouldn't work at first because I was using the playstation composite cable with a scart adapter. But I got hold of a proper playstation to scart cable and it works great. If you're interested in the event: http://www.houseofsingstar.co.uk/ and if you'd be so kind as to donate, it's for a really worthy cause - the MS Society: http://www.justgiving.com/houseofsingstar Thanks again. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
On Sep 3, 4:19*pm, Paul wrote:
Hi all. *I've got a problem. *My friend is hosting a charity playstation event at her house, and has asked me to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 for the singstar game (ie, one TV facing the singers and another facing the crowd!) Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. *I think we're talking SCART then. *How on earth would I go about doing this? Also, she needs the same solution with a PS2 as well as the PS3. *If anyone knows of any cables that could do this, I'd be grateful to know how! Thanks! I see that you've already solved this but, fwiw, if one of the TVs has two SCART sockets, feed the PS3 into SCART1, and then connect SCART2 to the second TV's SCART input and manually switch it to AV mode - you should find that this works in most cases. |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstarevent!
On Sep 12, 10:27*am, Roderick Stewart
wrote: In article 3fb71b07-1a11-48c5-949e- , wrote: Hi all. *I've got a problem. *My friend is hosting a charity playstation event at her house, and has asked me to connect 2 televisions to the PS3 for the singstar game (ie, one TV facing the singers and another facing the crowd!) Neither TV is HD, so HDMI is out the question. *I think we're talking SCART then. *How on earth would I go about doing this? Also, she needs the same solution with a PS2 as well as the PS3. *If anyone knows of any cables that could do this, I'd be grateful to know how! Thanks! I see that you've already solved this but, fwiw, if one of the TVs has two SCART sockets, feed the PS3 into SCART1, and then connect SCART2 to the second TV's SCART input and manually switch it to AV mode - you should find that this works in most cases. Unless the CIA have re-wired the SCART cable while you weren't looking of course. :-) Rod. Just because I'm the only person in the entire group who actually knew how to do it.... :p |
How do I connect 2 televisions to a PS3 for a charity singstar event!
In article ,
wrote: I see that you've already solved this but, fwiw, if one of the TVs has two SCART sockets, feed the PS3 into SCART1, and then connect SCART2 to the second TV's SCART input and manually switch it to AV mode - you should find that this works in most cases. Unless the CIA have re-wired the SCART cable while you weren't looking of course. :-) Rod. Just because I'm the only person in the entire group who actually knew how to do it.... :p But can you *prove* the CIA don't know how to do it? Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
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