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Steve August 10th 08 02:35 PM

Freesat query!
 
Hi Folks
New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
Cheers
Steve
Ps I have been told its 28.2 not sure if thats correct.

The dog from that film you saw August 10th 08 03:17 PM

Freesat query!
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Hi Folks
New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
Cheers
Steve
Ps I have been told its 28.2 not sure if thats correct.





only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat and the
ability to tune into any free channels.
normally a freesat box will only let you view the channels that have paid to
be on their guide - not the other free ones.
and of course no freesat box at all can let you watch the pay channels (
just in case that was what you were hoping).



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....


Mark Carver August 10th 08 03:26 PM

Freesat query!
 
The dog from that film you saw wrote:

only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat and
the ability to tune into any free channels.


No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility too.

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Adrian[_3_] August 10th 08 03:33 PM

Freesat query!
 
Steve wrote:
Hi Folks
New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
Cheers
Steve
Ps I have been told its 28.2 not sure if thats correct.


Yes you can get all the FTA channels with manual tune.
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Krustov August 10th 08 03:41 PM

Freesat query!
 
uk.tech.digital-tv
Steve
Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT)


New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.


TMK freesat and sky use the same bunch of satellites .

But its a silly situation as sky freesat gives you loads of channels now
while normal freesat is slowly adding them a couple at a time .

Mud is being thrown at sky for slowing things down - but skys argument
is that it needs to be done this way so theres no technical glitches
that could cause disruption .


--
www.skyepg.co.uk
(sky freesat channel listing)

Brian Gaff August 10th 08 05:16 PM

Freesat query!
 
So, in effect in the end, both Sky Freesat and Freesat will probably have
the same channels, but the people who went with the sky package will have a
box which they can use for subscription and the rest wont. So what is the
position on high def boxes. Not having any Sky folk around, will the
situation be much the same as far as free to air is concerned.

Just wondering, if all this actually works, why the heck are we wasting our
time with terrestrial transmitters?

Also how does one put on the audio description on the freesat no slot type
boxes? Not seen that discussed, only that its possible.

Are they standard or is it a software dependent system. Also, is the channel
seperatable via headphone output, something that Panasonic have been doing
on their TVs which has gone down well with families with only one blind
person in it!

Brian

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"Krustov" wrote in message
m...
uk.tech.digital-tv
Steve
Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT)


New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.


TMK freesat and sky use the same bunch of satellites .

But its a silly situation as sky freesat gives you loads of channels now
while normal freesat is slowly adding them a couple at a time .

Mud is being thrown at sky for slowing things down - but skys argument
is that it needs to be done this way so theres no technical glitches
that could cause disruption .


--
www.skyepg.co.uk
(sky freesat channel listing)




Mark Carver August 10th 08 05:25 PM

Freesat query!
 
Brian Gaff wrote:

Also how does one put on the audio description on the freesat no slot type
boxes? Not seen that discussed, only that its possible.


On the Bush HD Freesat box, it's a single dedicated button on the remote
control. I suspect the Bush (and clones) SD box is the same ?

Also, is the channel
seperatable via headphone output,


No.


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Alan August 10th 08 05:55 PM

Freesat query!
 
In message , Mark Carver
wrote
Brian Gaff wrote:

Also how does one put on the audio description on the freesat no slot
type boxes? Not seen that discussed, only that its possible.


On the Bush HD Freesat box, it's a single dedicated button on the
remote control. I suspect the Bush (and clones) SD box is the same ?


On the Humax Foxsat a button on the remote brings up the option for
Audio description.
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The dog from that film you saw August 10th 08 08:03 PM

Freesat query!
 

"Krustov" wrote in message
m...
uk.tech.digital-tv

\
TMK freesat and sky use the same bunch of satellites .

But its a silly situation as sky freesat gives you loads of channels now
while normal freesat is slowly adding them a couple at a time .

Mud is being thrown at sky for slowing things down - but skys argument
is that it needs to be done this way so theres no technical glitches
that could cause disruption .




i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay rather than
anything to do with sky?



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....


Brian McIlwrath August 10th 08 08:15 PM

Freesat query!
 
The dog from that film you saw wrote:

: i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay rather than
: anything to do with sky?

That's part of it!!!

HOWEVER some Freesat EPG data streams need to get added to each transponder
through data adapter hubs that Sky run. Sky have a limit on new services
they will add each month (even for themselves!) to ensure stability - so
Freesat has a limit to the rate that they can launch channels which are
prepared to pay!

The dog from that film you saw August 10th 08 09:33 PM

Freesat query!
 

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
The dog from that film you saw wrote:

: i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay rather
than
: anything to do with sky?

That's part of it!!!

HOWEVER some Freesat EPG data streams need to get added to each
transponder
through data adapter hubs that Sky run. Sky have a limit on new services
they will add each month (even for themselves!) to ensure stability - so
Freesat has a limit to the rate that they can launch channels which are
prepared to pay!



i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's not that
many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over 100 thousand
( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a year.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....


DAB sounds worse than FM August 11th 08 11:37 AM

Freesat query!
 
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

The dog from that film you saw wrote:

only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat
and
the ability to tune into any free channels.


No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
too.



Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software update,
or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?



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The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm



DAB sounds worse than FM August 11th 08 11:41 AM

Freesat query!
 
"The dog from that film you saw"
wrote in
message
"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
The dog from that film you saw
wrote:

i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay
rather

than
anything to do with sky?


That's part of it!!!

HOWEVER some Freesat EPG data streams need to get added to each
transponder
through data adapter hubs that Sky run. Sky have a limit on new
services
they will add each month (even for themselves!) to ensure
stability - so
Freesat has a limit to the rate that they can launch channels which
are
prepared to pay!



i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's
not
that many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over
100
thousand ( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a
year.



How long does £100,000 get you included on the Freesat EPG for? And
where did you find out how much it costs?



--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm



Mark Carver August 11th 08 11:58 AM

Freesat query!
 
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

The dog from that film you saw wrote:

only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat
and
the ability to tune into any free channels.

No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
too.



Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software update,
or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?


No, AIUI there's been an OTA software update.

DAB sounds worse than FM August 11th 08 12:31 PM

Freesat query!
 
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

The dog from that film you saw wrote:

only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat
and
the ability to tune into any free channels.
No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
too.



Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software
update,
or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?


No, AIUI there's been an OTA software update.



Right. I should hope so too.



--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm



Mark Carver August 11th 08 03:44 PM

Freesat query!
 
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
"The dog from that film you saw"


i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's
not
that many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over
100
thousand ( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a
year.



How long does £100,000 get you included on the Freesat EPG for? And
where did you find out how much it costs?


I don't think it's 100k is it ?

Sky seem to charge about 65k, and that's per year.

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_..._PriceList.pdf

Couldn't find any such data on Freesat's website, just marketing fluff.

Alan August 11th 08 07:49 PM

Freesat query!
 
In message , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

The dog from that film you saw wrote:

only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat
and
the ability to tune into any free channels.


No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
too.



Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software update,
or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?


As far as I'm aware all Freesat box can be upgraded over the air. Unlike
Freeview, when there is an update it is broadcast continuously so you
cannot miss it.

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Alan
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Alan August 11th 08 07:54 PM

Freesat query!
 
In message , Mark Carver
wrote
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
"The dog from that film you saw"


i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's
not
that many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over
100
thousand ( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a
year.

How long does £100,000 get you included on the Freesat EPG for? And
where did you find out how much it costs?


I don't think it's 100k is it ?


The figures being quoted elsewhere are around 30k per year - or about
the same cost as getting a 'personality' to present around an hour of
TV.


--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com


Bill Wright August 12th 08 01:02 AM

Freesat query!
 

"Alan" wrote in message
...
In message , DAB sounds worse than FM
wrote
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

The dog from that film you saw wrote:

only the humax one - it has the option to switch between freesat
and
the ability to tune into any free channels.

No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
too.


I have to buy a batch of these tomorrow, and I don't know which make to get.
I've only had experience of the Humax HD one, except for one Grundig SD
which died.

Bill



Alan August 12th 08 02:07 AM

Freesat query!
 
In message , Bill Wright
wrote

I have to buy a batch of these tomorrow, and I don't know which make to get.
I've only had experience of the Humax HD one, except for one Grundig SD
which died.

Bill


There are only two brands for Freesat boxes - Humax and Alba and I don't
believe Humax do a SD box. There are other free to air boxes that are
not Freesat branded.

I believe all the Alba SD boxes are electronically/software identical
with the only difference being the badge and perhaps the price.
Similarly the Alba HD boxes are just re-badged identical units.

Alba = Bush, Grundig and Goodmans

For SD boxes go for the cheapest. For HD boxes either go for the Humax
or the cheapest Alba product.

Bush, Goodmans and Grundig have the .pdf manuals on their (uk) web
sites. All 3 SD manuals (links below) have the same date stamp printed
in the documents and the time stamps differ by 15 minutes!

http://www.bushdigital.co.uk/downloa...IB_Rev1-140308
..pdf

http://www.goodmans.co.uk/content/ug/GFSAT100SD.pdf?language=en-GB

http://www.grundig.co.uk/content/ug/GUFSAT01SD.pdf?language=en-GB

The Humax HD manual can be downloaded from
http://www.humaxdigital.com/freesat/support.asp
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com


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