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Doug Paulley July 29th 08 11:53 AM

wireless congestion / interference
 
I have major problems with wireless signals not going far in my flat.

My PC is also my TV and my Stereo. I'm a disabled person, living in a
residential home, so I have radio controlled stuff. And it generally
doesn't work.

I have wireless Internet; it wouldn't reach the 5 metres into my
living room from the router so I have to use a repeater. Cordless
phones just about work for 5 metres but no further from the base
station.

I use radio-controlled sockets to switch on and off my PC / stereo
etc. - these generally don't work from my bed, less than 2 metres
away. The same with my cordless mouse. Both work if I hold them in one
particular spot in my curtains, but not elsewhere.

The home has a wireless call system that might be contributing to the
problem, though the same problems were definitely evident before this
call system was put in. It has a set of DECT phones, which don't work
in my flat, so I don't think it can be them. There are no other
wireless networks "visible" in my flat.

I wonder what's causing the interference? Is there a way (preferably
easy) I can track it down?

ta

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Paul D.Smith July 29th 08 12:32 PM

wireless congestion / interference
 
....snip...

I wonder what's causing the interference? Is there a way (preferably
easy) I can track it down?


Start by turning everything off and then turning one on at a time and see
where you get to. Wireless is nothing like as good as the blurb claims and
metal framing etc. has quite an affect sometimes.

However with the wireless broadband, some Netgear routers had poorly fitted
antenna - one I say could barely reach 3m across an open room. It was
returned and the replacement (same model) had the expected range all around
the house.

Paul DS.


Michael Chare July 29th 08 03:16 PM

wireless congestion / interference
 
"Doug Paulley" wrote in
message ...
I have major problems with wireless signals not going far in my flat.

My PC is also my TV and my Stereo. I'm a disabled person, living in a
residential home, so I have radio controlled stuff. And it generally
doesn't work.

I have wireless Internet; it wouldn't reach the 5 metres into my
living room from the router so I have to use a repeater. Cordless
phones just about work for 5 metres but no further from the base
station.


PC equipment made to the 802.11n standard should have a better range. You
would need a router and a network card made to the draft 802.11n standard.
Ideally because of the draft nature of the standard, both items should come
from the same manufacturer.

My Dect phone will work some way from the house. Maybe your base station is
being screened somehow.




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Doug Paulley July 29th 08 06:52 PM

wireless congestion / interference
 
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:32:01 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote:

Start by turning everything off and then turning one on at a time and see
where you get to. Wireless is nothing like as good as the blurb claims and
metal framing etc. has quite an affect sometimes.

However with the wireless broadband, some Netgear routers had poorly fitted
antenna - one I say could barely reach 3m across an open room. It was
returned and the replacement (same model) had the expected range all around
the house.


Thanks; good thought but I don't think it's the router itself, as I've
had at least 3 now, different makes, and they've had the same issue. I
did wonder about the walls, which do have metal sheeting in them, but
the problem is also between things in the same room, e.g. my wireless
mouse and the socket remotes.

At some point I'll try turning everything off and seeing which does
it!

doug

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charles July 29th 08 07:06 PM

wireless congestion / interference
 
In article , Doug Paulley
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:32:01 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote:


Start by turning everything off and then turning one on at a time and
see where you get to. Wireless is nothing like as good as the blurb
claims and metal framing etc. has quite an affect sometimes.

However with the wireless broadband, some Netgear routers had poorly
fitted antenna - one I say could barely reach 3m across an open room.
It was returned and the replacement (same model) had the expected range
all around the house.


Thanks; good thought but I don't think it's the router itself, as I've
had at least 3 now, different makes, and they've had the same issue. I
did wonder about the walls, which do have metal sheeting in them, but the
problem is also between things in the same room, e.g. my wireless mouse
and the socket remotes.


The 'metal sheeting' will be creating reflections within the room. Try and
ensure 'line of sight' between the two devices.


At some point I'll try turning everything off and seeing which does it!


doug


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John W. July 29th 08 08:47 PM

wireless congestion / interference
 
In article ,
says...

Thanks; good thought but I don't think it's the router itself, as I've
had at least 3 now, different makes, and they've had the same issue. I
did wonder about the walls, which do have metal sheeting in them, but
the problem is also between things in the same room, e.g. my wireless
mouse and the socket remotes.

At some point I'll try turning everything off and seeing which does
it!



Have a look at installing NetStumbler on a laptop and walk round:
http://wirelessdefence.org/Contents/NetstumblerMain.htm
It will tell you what WiFi networks are seen in your area, their real-
time signal strengths, what channels they are on, etc. If you have a
conflicts with other networks, then you may be getting co-channel
interference that is corrupting your signal in different points in your
house. Change to an unused channel is this is the case (1, 6 and 11/13
are good ones, not overlapping) providing you're not seeing reflections
from your own signal.

WiFi is c**p in my house, which is built using breeze blocks that
contain a high metal content from the furnace ash used in their
construction. In some rooms I can't get a signal, others have dead spots
in a room, due to reflection interference patterns. It's only reliable
through the floors... Thank goodness I installed Cat5e cables...

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Brian Gaff July 30th 08 11:10 AM

wireless congestion / interference
 
I've found the radio controlled sockets are notoriously variable in their
range. I suspect they are just crap to start with. I have one that I can
operate from across the road, two which I'm lucky to get to run from my bed
to the wall, and one which, as you mention, only works from a particular
position.
I believe these sockets have a frequency around 300mhz, and I have looked
with a scanner and can hear the pulsed transmissions, but I reckon its the
receivers that are rubbish.

As for other wireless systems. Tried a keyboard. I value my sanity so put
in a long cable instead. nuff said. No need for amouse myself, but I imagine
the problems are similar. These I fancy work at a much higher frequency
anyway.

With wireless internet, Yes, one can get interference as half the street
seems to have wireless routers now. I find the symptoms more like dropping
even though signal is excellent, and suppose its interference.

Your problem sound different though, as you just do not get the range. Maybe
try a higher power router? However, if the problem is the back channel this
is not going to help.

I just don't know how people can use this system for video and audio
distribution, it seems to have too fuw channels and a frequency attenuated
by walls.

Brian


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"Doug Paulley" wrote in
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I have major problems with wireless signals not going far in my flat.

My PC is also my TV and my Stereo. I'm a disabled person, living in a
residential home, so I have radio controlled stuff. And it generally
doesn't work.

I have wireless Internet; it wouldn't reach the 5 metres into my
living room from the router so I have to use a repeater. Cordless
phones just about work for 5 metres but no further from the base
station.

I use radio-controlled sockets to switch on and off my PC / stereo
etc. - these generally don't work from my bed, less than 2 metres
away. The same with my cordless mouse. Both work if I hold them in one
particular spot in my curtains, but not elsewhere.

The home has a wireless call system that might be contributing to the
problem, though the same problems were definitely evident before this
call system was put in. It has a set of DECT phones, which don't work
in my flat, so I don't think it can be them. There are no other
wireless networks "visible" in my flat.

I wonder what's causing the interference? Is there a way (preferably
easy) I can track it down?

ta

Trolls pointing out I'm a lazy faker will undoubtably respond and
massively crosspost this here -

Doug

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Roderick Stewart[_2_] July 30th 08 12:49 PM

wireless congestion / interference
 
In article , Brian Gaff wrote:
As for other wireless systems. Tried a keyboard. I value my sanity so put
in a long cable instead. nuff said. No need for amouse myself, but I imagine
the problems are similar. These I fancy work at a much higher frequency
anyway.


Remote keyboards and mice ought to have the fewest RF problems, as the
transmission path is typically less than a metre. Everybody's situation is
different, but in my case, the slight inconvenience of having to change
batteries every 6 months or so is more than offset by the freedom from desk
clutter and tangled cables. I use a mouse with my left hand but most others in
my family use their right, so it's always being moved around.

The OP says he is disabled, so presumably it is important to him to have remote
controls that work reliably. Cables for everything would only allow control to
be effected from one place without a lot of extra complication.

With wireless internet, Yes, one can get interference as half the street
seems to have wireless routers now. I find the symptoms more like dropping
even though signal is excellent, and suppose its interference.


Somebody suggested checking reception with Netstumbler, and if it won't
recognise the laptop's wireless card, there's a similar thing (shareware)
called Wirelessmon from www.passmark.com . Carrying a laptop around my house I
can usually see about half a dozen other wireless networks, at least two of
them on the same channel, so I've made sure to use a different one.

Your problem sound different though, as you just do not get the range. Maybe
try a higher power router? However, if the problem is the back channel this
is not going to help.


Power level is a possibility. Some wireless cards have a setting for this,
which might be set to "auto" by default, particularly if it's a laptop. I guess
they work the same way as mobile phones and set their own transmit level in
response to the received signal level, so maybe some types of interference
could be misinterpreted as a strong signal and cause the wireless card to turn
its transmit power down?

I did notice an improvement in signal strength at an upstairs computer (the
router is downstairs) when on changing ISP from Orange internet I replaced
their "Livebox" router, which has an enclosed aerial, with another brand with a
conventional external aerial. In fact I have tried two different ones with
external aerials with the same result, so it seems the conventional RF wisdom
that applies to television reception vis-a-vis loft aerials also applies to
this. Maybe some wireless routers are just better than others, but I'd be
immediately suspicious of the ones that have been designed to look pretty by
concealing the aerial. Fundamental principles of radio propagation work the
same way for us as they did for Marconi.

I've set up several wireless home networks and they all work well with
computers in different rooms separated by at least one wall from the router,
suggesting that standard kit ought to be capable of covering a typical domestic
situation.

I just don't know how people can use this system for video and audio
distribution, it seems to have too fuw channels and a frequency attenuated
by walls.


I agree it would be a daft way to plan a system from scratch, though I bought
one of those "Imp" internet radios in a post-Christmas sale and it does receive
thousands of channels and works anywhere in the house.

Rod.
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