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Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital
ready... Anyone know who is behind it? -- R. Mark Clayton remove nospa for email |
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In article , R. Mark Clayton
scribeth thus Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital ready... Anyone know who is behind it? No but we've had a similar thing here I think it was the same or a similar number!... -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote:
In article , R. Mark Clayton scribeth thus Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital ready... Anyone know who is behind it? No but we've had a similar thing here I think it was the same or a similar number!... Actually it's a doddle to set up new numbers. I can set them up in about 10 minutes. Different every time? Rob. |
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
... Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital ready... Anyone know who is behind it? -- R. Mark Clayton remove nospa for email Are you on the Telephone Preference Service (TPS)? If yes, notify them and provide the number and they will deal with it. Not sure how the fine compares to the amount these "businessmen" make from people calling them back though. Paul DS. |
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http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08716641448 suggests it might be an outfit called "Not Just Aerials" Their website http://notjustaerials.com/ has a contact number in the same range. If you are registered with the TPS please consider lodging a complaint with the ICO http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/pri...nications.aspx. Their online complaints form is a bit of a pain but "Not Just Aerials" are serial offenders. I had one of their recorded calls a few weeks ago; and some (more) elderly neighbours very nearly swallowed their bait and bought a new aerial despite getting now a strong signal from CP on all muxes. Their related satellite practices were exposed on BBC's Watchdog on 12 May. -- Robin |
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In article ,
R. Mark Clayton wrote: Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital ready... Anyone know who is behind it? I had that the other day in the form of a recorded message. -- *I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:50:03 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote: "R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message ... Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital ready... Anyone know who is behind it? -- R. Mark Clayton remove nospa for email Are you on the Telephone Preference Service (TPS)? If yes, notify them and provide the number and they will deal with it. Not sure how the fine compares to the amount these "businessmen" make from people calling them back though. Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to enforce it. The ICO is even worse. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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....snip...
Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to enforce it. In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned. The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but there are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call you and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list. Since asking you to call an 0871 number involves them making money from you, I would expect it to be covered. Paul DS. |
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Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen.
I'd have thought if you listened long enough they would tell you what they are selling. Not heard this here yet, though I am on the list so should not get phoned, but it seems not many of the companies care any more. Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message ... Rang up notifying me of the analogue switch off and need to be digital ready... Anyone know who is behind it? -- R. Mark Clayton remove nospa for email |
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They phoned me earlier this evening. My wife knows that we are
scheduled for a 2012 switchover and put the phone down, I got the number from 1471. And yes we ARE TPS listed. Andy |
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Andy Champ wrote:
And yes we ARE TPS listed. Andy Which reminds me - if enough of us complain to TPS perhaps they will do something! I've just filled the form out. Andy |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:32:45 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote: ...snip... Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to enforce it. In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned. The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but there are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call you and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list. So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly what I said in my previous post? -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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...snip...
Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to enforce it. In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned. The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but there are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call you and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list. So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly what I said in my previous post? I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls from India and the US! I wonder if the call you received fell into the "collecting information" category (or whatever they call it). If it did (which implies that nobody tried to sell you anything) then checking the TPS list would be voluntary and most organisations ignore it. But where calls have been trying to sell me something, then the TPS have always acted when I've contacted them. I'll see next time I get a cold call that I "shouldn't". I haven't for a while so perhaps things have changed. Paul DS |
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In article , Brian
Gaff wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. My phone sometimes shows "Number Withheld" when it rings. I never answer those calls. Maybe there are other people like me, and these companies reckon that on balance they get through to more people by not hiding their number, and that this is enough to outweigh the inconvenience of having to deal with occasional complaints. I assume "Number Withheld" is different from "Unavailable", which is another message it sometimes shows. Presumably "Unavailable" means the call has come from a source or via a route that cannot handle CLI, so I sometimes answer those just in case. But if the information *is* available and a caller has taken deliberate action to suppress it, they clearly have something to hide, so I don't want to know them. Rod. |
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In article , Paul D.Smith wrote:
So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly what I said in my previous post? I'm afraid I don't know. *It contradicts my own experience with them. *The* one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the* UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls* from India and the US! Re my other post in this thread - get a Panasonic phone. It has a little display window that shows who's calling, in the same way that most mobile phones do. The messages it can show include "Outside area" and "International". The one useful function it lacks (unless they've added it to later models) is the ability to program the phone to reject such calls and not even annoy me by ringing, but at least I can make an informed choice not to answer. Rod. |
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Paul D.Smith wrote: So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly what I said in my previous post? I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls from India and the US! Re my other post in this thread - get a Panasonic phone. It has a little display window that shows who's calling, in the same way that most mobile phones do. The messages it can show include "Outside area" and "International". The one useful function it lacks (unless they've added it to later models) is the ability to program the phone to reject such calls and not even annoy me by ringing, but at least I can make an informed choice not to answer. Rod. Of course, for this to work, you must be signed up for 'caller display' with your telecom supplier. Having just bought a set of panasonic phones last night, I have been looking in to this :-) 'Caller Display' with BT costs £1.75 per month, *BUT* if you sign up for 'BT privacy at home', caller display is free and it automatically signs you up with TPS. Bargain! Geoff |
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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .myzen.co.uk... In article , Paul D.Smith wrote: So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly what I said in my previous post? I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls from India and the US! Re my other post in this thread - get a Panasonic phone. It has a little display window that shows who's calling, in the same way that most mobile phones do. The messages it can show include "Outside area" and "International". The one useful function it lacks (unless they've added it to later models) is the ability to program the phone to reject such calls and not even annoy me by ringing, but at least I can make an informed choice not to answer. Rod. Wouldn't work for me - my wife's American. Might stop the mother-in-law calling though so maybe... You also have to pay BT to send the caller ID data down your phoneline for this to work (unless they've finally made this free - I haven't checked in a while). Paul DS. |
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In article , [email protected]
hotmail.com says... ...snip... Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to enforce it. In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned. The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but there are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call you and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list. So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly what I said in my previous post? I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls from India and the US! The telephone operators themselves can do nothing such international calls so it is folly to expect the TPS to be able to take action. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:59:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. My phone sometimes shows "Number Withheld" when it rings. I never answer those calls. Maybe there are other people like me, and these companies reckon that on balance they get through to more people by not hiding their number, and that this is enough to outweigh the inconvenience of having to deal with occasional complaints. I assume "Number Withheld" is different from "Unavailable", which is another message it sometimes shows. Presumably "Unavailable" means the call has come from a source or via a route that cannot handle CLI, so I sometimes answer those just in case. But if the information *is* available and a caller has taken deliberate action to suppress it, they clearly have something to hide, so I don't want to know them. Trouble is a lot of calls have "Withheld" shown, even the ones I would choose to receive, such as friends, businesses I do want to talk to etc. This means it is not useful as an indicator for me. I sometimes get "Unavailable" when it is a client from abroad too. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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In article , Geoff Briggs wrote:
Of course, for this to work, you must be signed up for 'caller display'* with your telecom supplier. Having just bought a set of panasonic phones* last night, I have been looking in to this :-) 'Caller Display' with BT* costs £1.75 per month, *BUT* if you sign up for 'BT privacy at home',* caller display is free and it automatically signs you up with TPS. Bargain! Hmm. I didn't realise I was paying extra for this - I didn't ask for it and it just happened. Since mobile phones do it with no extra charge I just assumed it was part of the service, as it should be. Must check the bill. What does "BT Privacy at home" cost? Rod. |
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I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them.
The one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls from India and the US! The telephone operators themselves can do nothing such international calls so it is folly to expect the TPS to be able to take action. I never said I did expect the TPS to do anything about international calls ;-). Paul DS |
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
Hmm. I didn't realise I was paying extra for this - I didn't ask for it and it just happened. Since mobile phones do it with no extra charge I just assumed it was part of the service, as it should be. Must check the bill. What does "BT Privacy at home" cost? Absolutely nada, nowt, zero and nothing. http://www.bt.com/privacy/ will get you there. Yes, there is a bit of a question inherent in them having exactly the same functionality available for a charge, isn't there? -- Angus G Rae Science & Engineering Support Team Computing Services University of Edinburgh The above opinions are mine, and Edinburgh University can't have them |
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Mark wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:59:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. My phone sometimes shows "Number Withheld" when it rings. I never answer those calls. Maybe there are other people like me, and these companies reckon that on balance they get through to more people by not hiding their number, and that this is enough to outweigh the inconvenience of having to deal with occasional complaints. I assume "Number Withheld" is different from "Unavailable", which is another message it sometimes shows. Presumably "Unavailable" means the call has come from a source or via a route that cannot handle CLI, so I sometimes answer those just in case. But if the information *is* available and a caller has taken deliberate action to suppress it, they clearly have something to hide, so I don't want to know them. Trouble is a lot of calls have "Withheld" shown, even the ones I would choose to receive, such as friends, businesses I do want to talk to etc. This means it is not useful as an indicator for me. I sometimes get "Unavailable" when it is a client from abroad too. Some people that choose to go ex-directory have their number witheld automatically even if they don't request it and may not even realise. -- ^..^ This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help her wipe out Bunny's world domination. |
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Geoff Briggs wrote: Of course, for this to work, you must be signed up for 'caller display' with your telecom supplier. Having just bought a set of panasonic phones last night, I have been looking in to this :-) 'Caller Display' with BT costs £1.75 per month, *BUT* if you sign up for 'BT privacy at home', caller display is free and it automatically signs you up with TPS. Bargain! Hmm. I didn't realise I was paying extra for this - I didn't ask for it and it just happened. Since mobile phones do it with no extra charge I just assumed it was part of the service, as it should be. Must check the bill. What does "BT Privacy at home" cost? Rod. BT Privacy at home is free. |
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Angus Rae wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote: What does "BT Privacy at home" cost? Absolutely nada, nowt, zero and nothing. Correcting myself; the CLID side of it costs nothing as long as you make a couple of chargeable calls a month, otherwise they reserve the right to levy the normal charge - shouldn't be an issue unless you're on holiday for a month or use a 3rd party calling system that's on an 0800 number. Or just don't make any phone calls. -- Angus G Rae Science & Engineering Support Team Computing Services University of Edinburgh The above opinions are mine, and Edinburgh University can't have them |
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In article , Angus Rae wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote: What does "BT Privacy at home" cost? * Absolutely nada, nowt, zero and nothing.* Correcting myself; the CLID side of it costs nothing as long as you make* a couple of chargeable calls a month, otherwise they reserve the right* to levy the normal charge - shouldn't be an issue unless you're on* holiday for a month or use a 3rd party calling system that's on an 0800* number. Or just don't make any phone calls. Not likely to have cost me much then, and since I registered on the TPS website anyway, I probably wouldn't achieve anything by trying to change my BT account. It does seem odd that they either charge, or don't charge, for exactly the same service, depending on how it's ordered. Rod. |
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Angus Rae wrote:
Correcting myself; the CLID side of it costs nothing as long as you make a couple of chargeable calls a month, otherwise they reserve the right to levy the normal charge And they do :-( Remember to dial 1280-{number} once in a while.... -- Adrian C |
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Adrian C wrote:
Remember to dial 1280-{number} once in a while.... Er... if your are switched out with another provider. -- Adrian C |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:36:05 +0100, Adrian C wrote:
Correcting myself; the CLID side of it costs nothing as long as you make a couple of chargeable calls a month, otherwise they reserve the right to levy the normal charge And they do :-( Remember to dial 1280-{number} once in a while.... Yes, the *******s have caught me with this. Took me ages to find it in their damned small print as well. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:21:39 GMT, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. |
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Bob Moore wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:21:39 GMT, "Brian Gaff" wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. You should be aware that some job agencies do this. I've told one or two they are being silly... Andy |
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"Bob Moore" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:21:39 GMT, "Brian Gaff" wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. Ideally the phone should be programmable to say "This phone is programed so that it does not accept number withheld calls." Bill |
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"Andy Champ" wrote in message ... Bob Moore wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:21:39 GMT, "Brian Gaff" wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. You should be aware that some job agencies do this. I've told one or two they are being silly... A lot of hospitals do it, so when their estates staff ring us we can't get back to them. Bill |
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In article , Bill Wright wrote:
Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. Ideally the phone should be programmable to say "This phone is programed so* that it does not accept number withheld calls." I wouldn't have a problem with it being illegal to make a phone call that didn't declare its source. You can't drive down the road in a car without a number plate, anyone calling at anyone's door is expected to identify themselves, and for centuries any kind of social interaction has always been preceeded by introductions in which names are exchanged, so there seems no reason why anyone should assume the right to be anonymous on the phone. The technology may not be implemented everywhere yet, but the mobile phone companies manage it so it can't be impossible. Rod. |
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In article ,
Bob Moore wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. Sadly this happens with lots of modern switchboards - doing a call back wouldn't get you to the person who had phoned. They can, for example, use dedicated outgoing lines. Although you'd have thought there could be a work round. -- *Gaffer tape - The Force, light and dark sides - holds the universe together* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Mike Henry wrote:
NB: The "TPS registration" part of BT Privacy is optional. And the third part of BT Privacy is a nice set of "go away salespeople" stickers for your front door. What I really need are some "go away Jehovah's witnesses I'm not in the mood for a religious debate and I'll probably put your leaflets through the shredder without even reading them" stickers. Rod. |
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Adrian C wrote:
Adrian C wrote: Remember to dial 1280-{number} once in a while.... Er... if your are switched out with another provider. ......then I think CLID etc has to be supplied by that other provider. If you're on CPS Override, then you should still be able to call via BT using 1280. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
I wouldn't have a problem with it being illegal to make a phone call that didn't declare its source. You can't drive down the road in a car without a number plate, anyone calling at anyone's door is expected to identify themselves, and for centuries any kind of social interaction has always been preceeded by introductions in which names are exchanged, so there seems no reason why anyone should assume the right to be anonymous on the phone. The technology may not be implemented everywhere yet, but the mobile phone companies manage it so it can't be impossible. It's interesting that it's impossible to send an SMS text message without declaring the source number, yet you are able to hide your mobile phone's number when making the voice call. Why the difference ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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On 17/07/2008, Bob Moore wrote in message
: wrote: Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen. They probably realise a lot of people are like me - if I see "withheld" on the CLI display I don't answer the 'phone. Unfortunately I have relatives who withhold their numbers. But once I've figured out the caller is trying to sell me something I do tell them I don't buy from callers who don't have their numbers showing. I once got a call from someone who described themself as my local dealer. I was in London and the number that was showing was an 0161 number (Manchester). Not only that, but the phone he was calling me on was my mobile phone, with the same exchange number that everyone else with the same mobile company had. So how did he know where I live ? Simon. -- http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk |
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