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Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
wondering if it a dead duck. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
David wrote:
Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...-freeview.html |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
Also due to the premptive strike by Sky freesat many people do not know why
there are two and what the differences are anyhow. More and more people are just cynical these days going for the cheapest things that can keep the nippers occupied as far as I can tell. Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "David" wrote in message ... Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
On Jul 15, 8:58*am, "^^artnada^^" wrote:
David wrote: Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...atellite-uptak... ..but those figures only cover the first 3 months of the year, when Freesat was not available, so presumably the numbers are mostly 'Freesat from Sky' - or does that count as a subscription service, given the 'free trial' element? |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
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David Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:31:03 +0100 Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . -- www.skyepg.co.uk (sky freesat channel listing) |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
Krustov wrote:
David Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . Radio Times did from the start. Freesat is just a new EPG and a few "red-button" services, so its main benefit is getting the idea out to the public that there *are* such things as free satellite channels. It doesn't really matter to the BBC and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them. -- Dave Farrance |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"Dave Farrance" wrote in message ... Krustov wrote: David Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . Radio Times did from the start. Freesat is just a new EPG and a few "red-button" services, so its main benefit is getting the idea out to the public that there *are* such things as free satellite channels. It doesn't really matter to the BBC and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them. -- Dave Farrance I did a Freesat installation for an old guy this morning. Probably about 75 he was. He'd bought the box and tried plugging it into his old Astra 19deg satellite. I set it up and got it all running, but to be honest I wasn't that impressed with the channels available or the picture quality. It was the Humax HD box, connected to a Sony 32" Bravia via HDMI cable. The menus looked fantastic (quality / resolution) but the channels were pretty poor. BBC HD looked better but still nowhere as good as a CRT. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"Krustov" wrote in message m... uk.tech.digital-tv David Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:31:03 +0100 Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
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Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? . TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . -- www.krustov.co.uk |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"David" wrote in message ... Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. It hasn't been promoted much (apart from during Euro 08) and there's very little HD content, particularly on ITV. The early adopters have got their boxes, or are waiting for the first Freesat PVR. Joe Public won't get interested unless it's more widely promoted on TV and in-store. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? If you buy a Freesat installation package from Curry, Comet or Argos you'll probably end up with the basic Sky-type kit, i.e. minidish and single LNB Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. Friend of mine was just showing off his new Sky HD box. Connected to a Sony 37" via scart. Great HD picture he reckons. Sad really. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
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"-GB-Carpy" wrote in message om... I did a Freesat installation for an old guy this morning. Probably about 75 he was. He'd bought the box and tried plugging it into his old Astra 19deg satellite. I set it up and got it all running, but to be honest I wasn't that impressed with the channels available or the picture quality. It was the Humax HD box, connected to a Sony 32" Bravia via HDMI cable. The menus looked fantastic (quality / resolution) but the channels were pretty poor. BBC HD looked better but still nowhere as good as a CRT. Sorry to ask this but did you set it up correctly? I'm told Humax the only one that gets all fta channels, eg same as a Sky box or normal box. Also isn't the Humax known to give poor pictures than the other makes. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"Dave Farrance" wrote in message It doesn't really matter to the BBC and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them. So why no ITV HD via a Sky box? Regards, David Please reply to News Group |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
In message , David
wrote Sorry to ask this but did you set it up correctly? I'm told Humax the only one that gets all fta channels, eg same as a Sky box or normal box. The 'Alba' boxes have, or are to get, the facility to receive non-freesat free to air channels. (Alba = Bush, Goodmans and Grundig) Also isn't the Humax known to give poor pictures than the other makes. many customers have been complaining about poor quality SD pictures on the Humax Foxsat HDMI output. It may be that if the Humax does the up-scaling the picture looks 'soft' but if you send the 'original' data to the TV and then let the TV do the up-scaling the picture looks a lot better. At the moment the Humax Foxsat is not worth its £150 price tag seeing it has another serious problem on HD. -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"David" wrote:
"Dave Farrance" wrote in message It doesn't really matter to the BBC and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air hsat boxes -- it's still a good result for them. Your newsreader messed up the quoting. Fixed. So why no ITV HD via a Sky box? That much is a fair turn about, I guess, since freesat-from-sky wouldn't provide ITV HD, you don't get it on the Sky premium price HD service either. I expect that it'll be available on Sky eventually -- once the public have got the idea that they don't have to pay an excess for it. -- Dave Farrance |
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-GB-Carpy wrote: BBC HD looked better but still nowhere as good as a CRT. Some of the stuff they show is distinctly marginal as HD. Wimbledon was stunning, though - when the HD cameras were in use. ;-) -- *I got a sweater for Christmas. I really wanted a screamer or a moaner* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"David" wrote in message ... "-GB-Carpy" wrote in message om... I did a Freesat installation for an old guy this morning. Probably about 75 he was. He'd bought the box and tried plugging it into his old Astra 19deg satellite. I set it up and got it all running, but to be honest I wasn't that impressed with the channels available or the picture quality. It was the Humax HD box, connected to a Sony 32" Bravia via HDMI cable. The menus looked fantastic (quality / resolution) but the channels were pretty poor. BBC HD looked better but still nowhere as good as a CRT. Sorry to ask this but did you set it up correctly? I'm told Humax the only one that gets all fta channels, eg same as a Sky box or normal box. Also isn't the Humax known to give poor pictures than the other makes. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group Pretty sure it was setup correctly. I went through all the settings and couldn't see much difference between different resolutions. Settled for 1080i in the end. Was connected via HDMI cable only. The box has a Freesat mode and non Freesat mode so can be used to receive not Freesat channels if required. The guy was over the moon but to me it just didn't seem that great, even on the BBC HD channel. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
Krustov wrote:
uk.tech.digital-tv Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? . Because then you are stuck with the crap sky EPG, and you don't get the free HD channels. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Krustov wrote: uk.tech.digital-tv Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment . I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? . Because then you are stuck with the crap sky EPG, and you don't get the free HD channels. -- Cheers, John. For a truly horrible epg the one with the Alba HD boxes (Bush, Goodmans, Grundig) takes some beating. AFAIK the only free HD programming you don't get form Sky is ITV. |
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"Krustov" wrote in message m... uk.tech.digital-tv Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 snip TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . No Five US crap, that's a bonus Steve Terry |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
On 15 Jul, 08:58, "^^artnada^^" wrote:
David wrote: Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...atellite-uptak... I love the idea that you can ask a member of the GBP what TV system they have, and they will be able to tell you. I was talking to someone the other day who was quite happy with her new Freeview service. What she actually had was a basic Sky subscription. Cheers, David. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join!
Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? . TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . Does anybody know when Five are joining Freesat? |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
"Commander Gideon" wrote in message ... I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? . TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . Does anybody know when Five are joining Freesat? Possibly next year. The 5 family are tied to Sky until March 09. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
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slinky Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:04:40 +0100 I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? . TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . Does anybody know when Five are joining Freesat? Possibly next year. The 5 family are tied to Sky until March 09. Resistance is futile - ha ha ha ha ha :-) -- www.krustov.co.uk |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
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Steve Terry wrote: "Krustov" wrote in message m... uk.tech.digital-tv Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 snip TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . No Five US crap, that's a bonus Life without CSI, House and Shark would be unbearable. Sob. -- *I love cats...they taste just like chicken. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... In article , Steve Terry wrote: "Krustov" wrote in message m... uk.tech.digital-tv Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 snip TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . No Five US crap, that's a bonus Life without CSI, House and Shark would be unbearable. Sob. All endless repeats, is your memory that bad you don't remember an episode the first 6 times around? Steve Terry |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
On 15 Jul, 13:33, Dave Farrance
wrote: *It doesn't really matter to the BBC and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them. To an extent, but it's fairly well established that the terrestrials maintain their share better when there's less competition for them, so they get a bigger share on Freeview than on Sky or Cable. From the point of view of longer term viewing share (assuming there's someone left at ITV who can think long term, and not just worry about today's share price), it's preferable for satellite takeup to be nudged towards Freesat, where there won't be the distractions of the major pay channels to tempt them into watching something else. The obviously can't maintain that stance indefinitely, as there are probably around half a million homes with SkyHD already. But right now, that's not enough to worry about hugely, especially since the majority of those homes will have some subscription services anyway, and so probably wouldn't watch much on ITV HD even if they could get it. But my suspicion is that ITV will maintain the Freesat exclusivity into the new year, and then think about putting it on Sky too. That way, they can plug shamelessly in the run up to Christmas - "the only way to get our great films for the holidays in HD" and so on. As the number of homes with HD receivers rises, they'll find it harder to stay off the Sky platform, but right now, every little nudge towards Freesat is good sense for the longer term, and they're not missing out massively in the short term, either. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
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Steve Terry wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Steve Terry wrote: "Krustov" wrote in message m... uk.tech.digital-tv Commander Gideon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100 snip TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat . No Five US crap, that's a bonus Life without CSI, House and Shark would be unbearable. Sob. All endless repeats, is your memory that bad you don't remember an episode the first 6 times around? I don't watch enough TV to see everything 'first time around'. Steve Terry -- *He who laughs last, thinks slowest. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Freesat is it selling to Joe Public?
David wrote:
Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm wondering if it a dead duck. Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same make design as Sky? Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD. Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got HD now. The problem is that these days people think if something is good it will be taken up very quickly, much due to the 'have now' attitude that has developed. This is not the case, what usually happens is that we are told what to like and want by advertising. Most people are followers and will go with what they think everyone else is going for, usually by this marketing thing. Freesat has had only BBC 'we don't need to compete' marketing. I'm not saying Freesat is great but it is another facility or option that does not require another subcription (other than the licence fee). It is mainly intended to cover for those who cannot get terrestrial, and they have thrown in HD as the timing and BW is appropriate. Terrestrial will also likely get HD at analogue switch-off, mainly as we have paid for it and the BBC like it. Personally having made VHS VCRs for many years I can say the GBP does not care about picture quality much, but some enthusiasts do. Now cheap credit has gone and everything is more more expensive (for real reasons rather than boom/bust economic cycles) we are less likely to see every person on the dole with spare cash to burn on consumer goods. Having said that a poor digital signal is much harder to live with than a poor analogue one, and so this might increase the expectation of better picture quality. Freesat will have its place and AFIAK has relatively low running costs on top of terrestrial, it is here to stay. -- Tony |
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