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J.H. Holliday July 12th 08 04:05 PM

HDMI Cables
 
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables any
good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at the local
store?




David July 12th 08 04:35 PM

HDMI Cables
 

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local
store-- or $10-$15 each on eBay from powersellers like HD
Maven or StableCable-- both of whom describe VG specs for
the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower
price cables any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet
and pay through the nose at the local store?


www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David


Cubit July 12th 08 04:55 PM

HDMI Cables
 

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables any
good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at the
local store?




I bought a dirt cheap 30 foot HDMI cable from a guy on ebay. It works fine.

He was not a powerseller.



Stephen Russell July 12th 08 05:38 PM

HDMI Cables
 
I second.

I've bought a lot of cables from Monoprice, at GREAT prices.
www.monoprice.com


"David" wrote in message
...

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?


www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David




The dog from that film you saw July 12th 08 05:39 PM

HDMI Cables
 

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables any
good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at the
local store?






HDMI cables either work - the signal gets through, or they don't.
it's a digital signal being passed through - a computer program if you will.
therefore if the signal makes it through, you get the picture intact in all
it's quality - buying a more expensive cable will not re-program the data to
look better.

and you'd know if the signal wasn't making it through - you'd get
sparklies - very obvious ones.

what you wouldn't get is a slightly inferior picture - regardless of what
snake oil salesmen will tell you.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....


Richard Cranium July 12th 08 06:11 PM

HDMI Cables
 
I can add more support for monoprice.com

I purchased 15ft Gold Plated 24ga HDMI Cables for $23.19 each. They
also have great prices on brackets:

Low Profile Wall Mount - $19.94
Tilt Mount (Wide Bracket) - $29.42

Shipping charges are very fair too.


On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:38:22 GMT, "Stephen Russell"
wrote:

I second.

I've bought a lot of cables from Monoprice, at GREAT prices.
www.monoprice.com


"David" wrote in message
. ..

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?


www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David





Bishoop July 12th 08 09:33 PM

HDMI Cables
 

"Stephen Russell" wrote in message
...
I second.

I've bought a lot of cables from Monoprice, at GREAT prices.
www.monoprice.com


"David" wrote in message
...

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of
whom describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?


www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David


Ditto....



Bishoop July 12th 08 09:34 PM

HDMI Cables
 

"The dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message ...

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?






HDMI cables either work - the signal gets through, or they don't.
it's a digital signal being passed through - a computer program if you
will.
therefore if the signal makes it through, you get the picture intact in
all it's quality - buying a more expensive cable will not re-program the
data to look better.

and you'd know if the signal wasn't making it through - you'd get
sparklies - very obvious ones.

what you wouldn't get is a slightly inferior picture - regardless of what
snake oil salesmen will tell you.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....



Quality of the termination attaching the cable to connectors is important.
Haven't heard any complaints about monoprice in the quality area.



eBuyHD.com July 12th 08 10:03 PM

HDMI Cables
 
DON'T buy from the local store...way over priced...just make sure the eBay
cables are HDMI certified and not bootlegs ones...eBay's kinda bad about
that.

Keith
http://www.eBuyHD.com


"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables any
good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at the
local store?




J.H. Holliday July 12th 08 11:09 PM

HDMI Cables
 
"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables any
good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at the
local store?


Guys, thanks for all the advice!

Doc



JBDragon[_2_] July 13th 08 03:56 AM

HDMI Cables
 

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
. ..
"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?


Guys, thanks for all the advice!

Doc


I've gotten a couple nice HDMI cables and from Monoprice.com for just under
$5 each. They were 6 feet each which was more then long enough for my use
since my HDTV is mounted on a Swivel mount Stand with all my components
under it. In fact this is what I got, http://tinyurl.com/2at75g which are
some nice cables and currently selling for a high of $4.17 for 1 cable,
$3.94 for 2-5 cables and as low as $3.19 for 50+ cables. If you live in CA,
NV, or AZ you can get California overnight shipping for a couple dollars
more then USPS 2-3 business day service. So if I ordered these 2 cables
where I live in California with the overnight shipping and tax, the Grand
total is 16.99, with USPS Priority shipping if your not quite is such a
rush, it drops down to $14.09 for a couple nice HDMI cables. You really
have to be a sucker to buy them in a store and a huge sucker to pay MONSTERS
high prices for their cables. There's also a LIFETIME Warranty all ALL of
their cables and ALL Non-Electronic Products that they sell. I don't buy
cables anywhere else anymore.




Yellowbeard July 13th 08 06:14 AM

HDMI Cables
 
I buy most all my stuff from newegg.com
HDMI cables under $10 wide selection

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nd&Order=PRICE

Check it out

My 2˘ YB

On Jul 12, 6:56*pm, "JBDragon" JBDragon at someplace dot com wrote:
"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message

. ..

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.


Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?


Guys, thanks for all the advice!


Doc


I've gotten a couple nice HDMI cables and from Monoprice.com for just under
$5 each. *They were 6 feet each which was more then long enough for my use
since my HDTV is mounted on a Swivel mount Stand with all my components
under it. *In fact this is what I got,http://tinyurl.com/2at75gwhich are
some nice cables and currently selling for a high of $4.17 for 1 cable,
$3.94 for 2-5 cables and as low as $3.19 for 50+ cables. *If you live in CA,
NV, or AZ you can get California overnight shipping for a couple dollars
more then USPS 2-3 business day service. *So if I ordered these 2 cables
where I live in California with the overnight shipping and tax, the Grand
total is 16.99, with USPS Priority shipping if your not quite is such a
rush, it drops down to $14.09 for a couple nice HDMI cables. *You really
have to be a sucker to buy them in a store and a huge sucker to pay MONSTERS
high prices for their cables. * *There's also a LIFETIME Warranty all ALL of
their cables and ALL Non-Electronic Products that they sell. *I don't buy
cables anywhere else anymore.



JohnR66 July 13th 08 03:55 PM

HDMI Cables
 
"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...
I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or $10-$15
each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable-- both of whom
describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables any
good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at the
local store?


Reminds me of USB cables years ago when USB was gaining popularity. Local
storers wanted $30 for a 6' cable. What a rip. Nothing special about a USB
cable. Of course, the cable is usually not included with the printer or
whatever. I could go to the Big Lots store and buy a 3 pack for $10.

On ebay, check the sellers feedback. If it is good and they've sold many of
these cables before, I'd say it is okay.



rob July 13th 08 10:19 PM

HDMI Cables
 
"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in
:

I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or
$10-$15 each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable--
both of whom describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?




www.partsexpress.com

CJT July 14th 08 05:31 AM

HDMI Cables
 
David wrote:

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...

I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or
$10-$15 each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable--
both of whom describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?



www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David

I don't like dealing with folks who require creating an "account" and
keep your credit card info on file -- it looks like monoprice falls in
that category.

--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

Steve Urbach July 14th 08 05:49 PM

HDMI Cables
 
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:31:36 -0500, CJT wrote:

David wrote:

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...

I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or
$10-$15 each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable--
both of whom describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?



www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David

I don't like dealing with folks who require creating an "account" and
keep your credit card info on file -- it looks like monoprice falls in
that category.

You are to be commended on being cautious.
but...

If you use a credit card ANY PLACE, the transaction slip is kept on file for
the "statute of limitations" time frame (typically 7 years). Most merchants
have 3 days to produce a copy to the merchant card processor in the event of
a dispute. Store rooms/warehouses are littered with "Bankers Boxes" of old
cash register/credit card tapes. Some bigger stores have switched to those
"signature capture" terminals that you sign. THOSE FILES are stored someplace
for 7 years.

Check out a business on your own.
Thing I look for a
1a) Physical location (a Street address of the OFFICE, Not just the
warehouse.)
1b) Can I will call (visit the store/warehouse in person (assumes in the
area, but proves a legit location) ).

2) Methods of contact OTHER than e-mail. Telephone numbers, Street addresses
other than Private PO Boxes)
3) BBB reports, Google search reports (other than site)

USE only a Credit Card, Not a DEBIT/Check CARD. Your legal protections on a
pure credit cards are different than those that take the money directly from
your account.

BTW it looks as if you could sent them payment by other means.

Jer July 15th 08 07:59 AM

HDMI Cables
 
Steve Urbach wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:31:36 -0500, CJT wrote:

David wrote:
"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...

I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or
$10-$15 each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable--
both of whom describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?

www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David

I don't like dealing with folks who require creating an "account" and
keep your credit card info on file -- it looks like monoprice falls in
that category.

You are to be commended on being cautious.
but...

If you use a credit card ANY PLACE, the transaction slip is kept on file for
the "statute of limitations" time frame (typically 7 years). Most merchants
have 3 days to produce a copy to the merchant card processor in the event of
a dispute. Store rooms/warehouses are littered with "Bankers Boxes" of old
cash register/credit card tapes. Some bigger stores have switched to those
"signature capture" terminals that you sign. THOSE FILES are stored someplace
for 7 years.

Check out a business on your own.
Thing I look for a
1a) Physical location (a Street address of the OFFICE, Not just the
warehouse.)
1b) Can I will call (visit the store/warehouse in person (assumes in the
area, but proves a legit location) ).

2) Methods of contact OTHER than e-mail. Telephone numbers, Street addresses
other than Private PO Boxes)
3) BBB reports, Google search reports (other than site)

USE only a Credit Card, Not a DEBIT/Check CARD. Your legal protections on a
pure credit cards are different than those that take the money directly from
your account.


No longer entirely true...

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.



BTW it looks as if you could sent them payment by other means.



--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

JBDragon[_2_] July 15th 08 08:27 AM

HDMI Cables
 

"Steve Urbach" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:31:36 -0500, CJT wrote:

David wrote:

"J.H. Holliday" [email protected] wrote in message
...

I need three so I could pay $30-$40 a pop at the local store-- or
$10-$15 each on eBay from powersellers like HD Maven or StableCable--
both of whom describe VG specs for the cables they sell.

Anyone have any experience with these guys? Are the lower price cables
any good-- or do I need to bite the bullet and pay through the nose at
the local store?


www.monoprice.com

Great prices, products, and service. Avoid E-Bay.

David

I don't like dealing with folks who require creating an "account" and
keep your credit card info on file -- it looks like monoprice falls in
that category.

You are to be commended on being cautious.
but...

If you use a credit card ANY PLACE, the transaction slip is kept on file
for
the "statute of limitations" time frame (typically 7 years). Most
merchants
have 3 days to produce a copy to the merchant card processor in the event
of
a dispute. Store rooms/warehouses are littered with "Bankers Boxes" of old
cash register/credit card tapes. Some bigger stores have switched to those
"signature capture" terminals that you sign. THOSE FILES are stored
someplace
for 7 years.

Check out a business on your own.
Thing I look for a
1a) Physical location (a Street address of the OFFICE, Not just the
warehouse.)
1b) Can I will call (visit the store/warehouse in person (assumes in the
area, but proves a legit location) ).

2) Methods of contact OTHER than e-mail. Telephone numbers, Street
addresses
other than Private PO Boxes)
3) BBB reports, Google search reports (other than site)

USE only a Credit Card, Not a DEBIT/Check CARD. Your legal protections on
a
pure credit cards are different than those that take the money directly
from
your account.

BTW it looks as if you could sent them payment by other means.


They do accept PayPal, and my PayPal account is highly protected by a
addition 6 digit Password that always changes using the Hardware SecureID
that only YOU would have(VeriSign ID Protection). If I can, I pay by
PayPal. Oh and using Credit Cards in person is not really safer, there's
also some places that also still do it the old way for one reason or another
that's really not all that safe, I have to rip up the carbon Copies in tiny
little pieces. I've been buying things on the Internet for YEARS!!! I've
never had a single problem. Also normally you can choose if you want that
Internet site to keep your Credit Card on file for faster service net time
or not. I normally don't, just because hacks into sites and steeling Credit
Card info has happened in the past.


Steve Urbach July 15th 08 03:35 PM

HDMI Cables
 
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:59:42 -0500, Jer wrote:

USE only a Credit Card, Not a DEBIT/Check CARD. Your legal protections on a
pure credit cards are different than those that take the money directly from
your account.


No longer entirely true...

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.

And they can change those terms at any time.

To change the law, they must pay off the politicians G.


I asked my bank for (and got) a ATM only card, No Visa or Mastercard logo.
It is a PIN only debit. The card must be present (and swiped) and I key in the
digits.

Steve Urbach July 15th 08 03:51 PM

HDMI Cables
 
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:27:02 -0700, "JBDragon" JBDragon at someplace dot com
wrote:


"Steve Urbach" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:31:36 -0500, CJT wrote:


BTW it looks as if you could sent them payment by other means.


They do accept PayPal, and my PayPal account is highly protected by a
addition 6 digit Password that always changes using the Hardware SecureID
that only YOU would have(VeriSign ID Protection). If I can, I pay by
PayPal. Oh and using Credit Cards in person is not really safer, there's
also some places that also still do it the old way for one reason or another
that's really not all that safe, I have to rip up the carbon Copies in tiny
little pieces. I've been buying things on the Internet for YEARS!!! I've
never had a single problem. Also normally you can choose if you want that
Internet site to keep your Credit Card on file for faster service net time
or not. I normally don't, just because hacks into sites and steeling Credit
Card info has happened in the past.


Knuckle buster machines are still used in places without functioning
"electronic capture devices" found in the city.
OR
they are REQUIRED by the BANK *If* your magnetic stripe fails to read in the
machine to prove the card was present.

They are also used for "Rental deposit", when the merchant does not want to
inconvenience the customer with a $$$ HOLD on their account.

In California, the law changed so that transactions Authorized at the *TIME OF
PURCHASE* will not display more than 5 digits of the account number.
*Off-line* transactions (?Knuckle buster?) can still display all digits.

It still pays to protect you info :-)
In most cases, it is NOT the business (owner) that compromised your info, but
a single employee that had access.

Eric[_11_] July 15th 08 04:25 PM

HDMI Cables
 
Steve Urbach wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:59:42 -0500, Jer wrote:

USE only a Credit Card, Not a DEBIT/Check CARD. Your legal protections on a
pure credit cards are different than those that take the money directly from
your account.

No longer entirely true...

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.

And they can change those terms at any time.

To change the law, they must pay off the politicians G.


I asked my bank for (and got) a ATM only card, No Visa or Mastercard logo.
It is a PIN only debit. The card must be present (and swiped) and I key in the
digits.

There is scam locally here where someone puts a bit of hardware in the
card reader that stores the info, they collect it and steal whatever
they can. Some gas stations (Wawa stores) have been found to have been
compromised..
Eric

Steve Urbach July 16th 08 02:51 AM

HDMI Cables
 
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:44 -0400, Eric wrote:


I asked my bank for (and got) a ATM only card, No Visa or Mastercard logo.
It is a PIN only debit. The card must be present (and swiped) and I key in the
digits.

There is scam locally here where someone puts a bit of hardware in the
card reader that stores the info, they collect it and steal whatever
they can. Some gas stations (Wawa stores) have been found to have been
compromised..
Eric

Here it has been a few Arco self serv pay stations. Close examination of the
keypad will reveal the extra overlay.
The local Lunardis supermarket had a PIN PAD compromised.
What makes this doubly odd is the Pin Pad encrypts your PIN number and passes
the encrypted info through the cash register. What got me was the register and
the bank were still happy with the data. I have installed these devices and
the slightest irregularity makes them fail :/
The Gas station could have been done after hours, but the supermarket had to
be an "inside job" by a very savvy person.

Eric[_11_] July 16th 08 03:24 PM

HDMI Cables
 
Steve Urbach wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:44 -0400, Eric wrote:

I asked my bank for (and got) a ATM only card, No Visa or Mastercard logo.
It is a PIN only debit. The card must be present (and swiped) and I key in the
digits.

There is scam locally here where someone puts a bit of hardware in the
card reader that stores the info, they collect it and steal whatever
they can. Some gas stations (Wawa stores) have been found to have been
compromised..
Eric

Here it has been a few Arco self serv pay stations. Close examination of the
keypad will reveal the extra overlay.
The local Lunardis supermarket had a PIN PAD compromised.
What makes this doubly odd is the Pin Pad encrypts your PIN number and passes
the encrypted info through the cash register. What got me was the register and
the bank were still happy with the data. I have installed these devices and
the slightest irregularity makes them fail :/
The Gas station could have been done after hours, but the supermarket had to
be an "inside job" by a very savvy person.

That's what I can't figure, the Wawa's are 24/7. Guess the Wawa folks
are not very attentive.

Eric

Howard Brazee July 16th 08 11:59 PM

HDMI Cables
 
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:59:42 -0500, Jer wrote:

No longer entirely true...

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.


But why carry an extra card? I use a credit card for that (writing
the withdrawal in my check-book exactly the same way).

[email protected] July 17th 08 01:24 AM

HDMI Cables
 
I am completely ignorant of HDMI. Why would anyone need HDMI cables?

alkem


Jer July 17th 08 01:54 AM

HDMI Cables
 
Howard Brazee wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:59:42 -0500, Jer wrote:

No longer entirely true...

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.


But why carry an extra card? I use a credit card for that (writing
the withdrawal in my check-book exactly the same way).



I apologize if I led someone to believe I have more than one card, I
don't, I just have the one debit card. Cash is my trusted friend, and
theirs.

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Jer July 17th 08 02:04 AM

HDMI Cables
 
Steve Urbach wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:59:42 -0500, Jer wrote:

USE only a Credit Card, Not a DEBIT/Check CARD. Your legal protections on a
pure credit cards are different than those that take the money directly from
your account.

No longer entirely true...

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.

And they can change those terms at any time.

To change the law, they must pay off the politicians G.


Maybe, but this debit card draws from a checking account at my credit
union, which is a chartered federal bank. They're welcome to try.



I asked my bank for (and got) a ATM only card, No Visa or Mastercard logo.
It is a PIN only debit. The card must be present (and swiped) and I key in the
digits.


My one debit card has the Visa logo, but it won't work as a credit card
because that's a free feature I choose not to have - like yours, pin
transactions only.

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Jer July 17th 08 02:10 AM

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Steve Urbach wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:44 -0400, Eric wrote:

I asked my bank for (and got) a ATM only card, No Visa or Mastercard logo.
It is a PIN only debit. The card must be present (and swiped) and I key in the
digits.

There is scam locally here where someone puts a bit of hardware in the
card reader that stores the info, they collect it and steal whatever
they can. Some gas stations (Wawa stores) have been found to have been
compromised..
Eric

Here it has been a few Arco self serv pay stations. Close examination of the
keypad will reveal the extra overlay.
The local Lunardis supermarket had a PIN PAD compromised.
What makes this doubly odd is the Pin Pad encrypts your PIN number and passes
the encrypted info through the cash register. What got me was the register and
the bank were still happy with the data. I have installed these devices and
the slightest irregularity makes them fail :/
The Gas station could have been done after hours, but the supermarket had to
be an "inside job" by a very savvy person.



Rigged ATM terminals and hand readers have been around for a while now.
I recommend covering the key pad with one hand while the other keys in
the pin to shield from security cameras that are often nearby - if
someone has access to the video record and point-of-sale record, you're
screwed. And, cash is your friend. A few merchants subtract their
merchant fee from my cash receipted purchase, typically 4%. They enjoy
my return patronage.

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Howard Brazee July 17th 08 03:23 AM

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:54:53 -0500, Jer wrote:

My debit card provides the same protection as most any credit card. The
difference is my local bank provides the coverage instead. But I only
use it for ATM cash withdrawals.


But why carry an extra card? I use a credit card for that (writing
the withdrawal in my check-book exactly the same way).



I apologize if I led someone to believe I have more than one card, I
don't, I just have the one debit card. Cash is my trusted friend, and
theirs.


I don't usually carry cash. It's not guaranteed in case I loose it.
The only advantage debit cards have over credit cards is with the
population that treat them differently (not putting the amounts in the
check book, etc.). I'm not in that population, so I like having my
money earning interest, and my purchases earning me points (which I
use to get discounted gasoline).

Chuck Olson July 17th 08 11:24 PM

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wrote in message
...
I am completely ignorant of HDMI. Why would anyone need HDMI cables?

alkem


To hook up two products that have HDMI connectors. Recently manufactured TVs
and various tuners and DVD players use this kind of cable - - it delivers
both picture and sound in digital form. You get the best programming your
equipment can possibly produce using this kind of hookup.



[email protected] July 18th 08 01:28 AM

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I wouldn't say you are ignorant (of HDMI), just not, maybe made aware
of its benefits. Collectively, we are exposed to new technologies -
some of us embrace it, others, for their own purposes, let it pass by.

HDMI offers totally UNCOMPRESSED video and audio. If you subscribe to
cable or satellite TV, ALL of these signals are compressed. You may
like what you see and hear; however, if a purest, sortof, you might
like, better, pictures and sound from an uncompressed source. This,
uncompressed video and audio, is only possible in the digital domain
(infinite, at least WIDE bandwidth available in the analog domain
notwithstanding). The weakest links in a chain can be numerous. If
one link can be made totally free of artifacts - noise for example -
and ones drive is to produce the best picture (and sound) humanly
possible, that link is developed to the nth degree. HDMI is one of
those links. HDMI has a variety of versions, each 'better' than the
previous. If you accept the fact that HDMI is a good thing, your
"why...need HDMI cable?" is the simple means to make, fashion HDMI
connectivity.

Another link is the current crop of 1080P displays, a format that goes
back to SONY and NHK work 20+/- years ago. Assuredly, picture
resolution will not stop here. HDMI Ver 1.3 offers extremely DEEP,
shall we call it, color resolution. How wide can our eyes and brain
distinguish? I do not know.

So, if you purchase a display with HDMI inputs, and an HDTV source
with HDMI outputs, use them. For one thing, the cable bundle is
smaller and neater than dressing the 3 coax lines needed for
component video!

Maybe a long answer to a short and sweet question, your call.

Wayne


On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:24:46 -0400, wrote:

I am completely ignorant of HDMI. Why would anyone need HDMI cables?

alkem


Jer July 18th 08 01:56 AM

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wrote:
I wouldn't say you are ignorant (of HDMI), just not, maybe made aware
of its benefits. Collectively, we are exposed to new technologies -
some of us embrace it, others, for their own purposes, let it pass by.

HDMI offers totally UNCOMPRESSED video and audio. If you subscribe to
cable or satellite TV, ALL of these signals are compressed. You may
like what you see and hear; however, if a purest, sortof, you might
like, better, pictures and sound from an uncompressed source. This,
uncompressed video and audio, is only possible in the digital domain
(infinite, at least WIDE bandwidth available in the analog domain
notwithstanding). The weakest links in a chain can be numerous. If
one link can be made totally free of artifacts - noise for example -
and ones drive is to produce the best picture (and sound) humanly
possible, that link is developed to the nth degree. HDMI is one of
those links. HDMI has a variety of versions, each 'better' than the
previous. If you accept the fact that HDMI is a good thing, your
"why...need HDMI cable?" is the simple means to make, fashion HDMI
connectivity.

Another link is the current crop of 1080P displays, a format that goes
back to SONY and NHK work 20+/- years ago. Assuredly, picture
resolution will not stop here. HDMI Ver 1.3 offers extremely DEEP,
shall we call it, color resolution. How wide can our eyes and brain
distinguish? I do not know.


I don't know either, but Sony Bravia TVs offer a feature called
x.v.color, which I presume only works on x.v.color compliant material.

x.v.Color™ technology

BRAVIA® HDTV's performance has now advanced to the point that the color
range can be defined by limitations in the original video source, rather
than the TV. Thanks to the adoption of a newly approved international
color standard called xvYCC (an option in the HDMI v1.3 spec and which
Sony participated in creating), the color space has been greatly
expanded. 1.8 times as many natural colors as existing HDTV signals will
now be faithfully reproduced. x.v.Color enabled products can now offer
more accurate color reproduction and natural colors beyond broadcast HDTV.





So, if you purchase a display with HDMI inputs, and an HDTV source
with HDMI outputs, use them. For one thing, the cable bundle is
smaller and neater than dressing the 3 coax lines needed for
component video!

Maybe a long answer to a short and sweet question, your call.

Wayne


On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:24:46 -0400,
wrote:

I am completely ignorant of HDMI. Why would anyone need HDMI cables?

alkem



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