Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:23:06 -0500 wrote:

| Question for the group
|
| Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?

I moved this to a new thread. It seems to need a new thread. The old one
got rather polluted.

IMHO, recordable optical disks, especially those that need a whole new device
every time they come out with a larger disk technology, are eventually on their
way out. Hard drives just went through a change from IDE to SATA while many
can just work using USB and Firewire, regardless of how big they get. So in
the future when 4TB hard drives are out, and 1TB drives are dirt cheap and can
fit in your pocket, who really needs BluRay for recording purposes other than
to provide something playable by hold-outs that can't play anything else. And
flash media will be making its inroads, too, as these get cheaper in the sizes
suitable for an HD movie (e.g. a 16GB SDHC card or USB key for dirt cheap in
the future). The hassles of optical disks, especially of Blu-Ray and its poor
surface design and restrictive DRM-encumbered licensing, will limit what they
get used for in the future.

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Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

On 9 Jul 2008 19:13:30 GMT, wrote:

| Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?

What 'some day'? There is now.

Just Google "recordable blu-ray".

A_C

Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

JimK wrote:
http://images.blu-ray.com/recorders/lg.jpg

Blu-ray recorders
http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/


$1000 plus



I don't know anything directly, but my computer guru says you can get
them at Fry's for a PC for around $300. And, someone has already ripped
the protection so someone so inclined can copy Hollyweird BluRay disks.

Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:38:43 -0500 wrote:
| wrote:
|
|I moved this to a new thread. It seems to need a new thread. The old one
|got rather polluted.
|
| Ok good idea
|
|IMHO, recordable optical disks, especially those that need a whole new device
|every time they come out with a larger disk technology, are eventually on their
|way out. Hard drives just went through a change from IDE to SATA while many
|can just work using USB and Firewire, regardless of how big they get. So in
|the future when 4TB hard drives are out, and 1TB drives are dirt cheap and can
|fit in your pocket, who really needs BluRay for recording purposes other than
|to provide something playable by hold-outs that can't play anything else. And
|flash media will be making its inroads, too, as these get cheaper in the sizes
|suitable for an HD movie (e.g. a 16GB SDHC card or USB key for dirt cheap in
|the future). The hassles of optical disks, especially of Blu-Ray and its poor
|surface design and restrictive DRM-encumbered licensing, will limit what they
|get used for in the future.
|
| Excellent logic!! Thanks
|
| You make good arguments for magnetic tech over optical
| tech that I hadn't thought of

They could do this for optical ... easily if they integrate the media with
the controller. Why optical fails on this would be a similar reason even
magnetic media would fail if it were separate from the controller: it would
need a new controller for the new sizing.

Flash has the same advantage: it's controller is tied to the media and the
interface is fairly uniform across sizes (aside from the SD vs. SDHC mess
that some idiots on some standards committee really screwed up). And now
flash is showing up big time in hard drive format factors and interfaces
(though not as easily removeable).

Remember floppy (if you are old enough)? Most people never got beyond the
1.44 MB size. There were 2.88 MB floppies. But they required 2.88 MB drives.
It's an example of media separated from controller.

Now days, controllers are cheap (you have them in USB keys and memory cards).
And this is why "media with controller attached" is poised to oust "media
without a controller".


| I was going to go buy a Panasonic DVD recorder for
| casual off air DTV recording. Cost is only abt $200
| for one
|
| But more I talk to you guys the more I realize the
| advantages of using a home built PC based DVR.
|
| 1. Cheap storage that I CAN replace
| 2. Room in the case to work and change out parts
| 3. Off shelf parts that can be had most anyplace
| 4. More features

Can do HD today! So far no retail product PVR I have seen can do that without
requiring a subscription somewhere (that other thread I started).


| I will take that $200 I was going to spend on the Panny
| DVD recorder and order an Dell Optiplex as "base"
| computer to build up.

One option with a self-made PC-based PVR is you can easily use USB, Firewire,
and eSATA external drives to build up a huge library. USB 2.0 has sufficient
capacity to handle 2 to 4 whole ATSC streams (e.g. recording all subchannels
as a group).

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Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:21:05 -0700 Sam Spade wrote:
| JimK wrote:
| http://images.blu-ray.com/recorders/lg.jpg
|
| Blu-ray recorders
| http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/
|
|
| $1000 plus
|
|
|
| I don't know anything directly, but my computer guru says you can get
| them at Fry's for a PC for around $300. And, someone has already ripped
| the protection so someone so inclined can copy Hollyweird BluRay disks.

I haven't heard of that. But I haven't followed it, either, so I would not
readily find out except from people in these newsgroups. What I am curious
about is if the level of "ripped the protection" merely allows making a clone
disk that normal players see as a legitimate DRM-encumbered disk, or if it
has been broken enough to actually decrypt and get the clear content out.

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On Jul 9, 4:05*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:21:05 -0700 Sam Spade
wrote:| JimK wrote:

|http://images.blu-ray.com/recorders/lg.jpg
|
| Blu-ray recorders
|http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/
|
|
| $1000 plus
|
|
|
| I don't know anything directly, but my computer guru says you can
get
| them at Fry's for a PC for around $300. *And, someone has already
ripped
| the protection so someone so inclined can copy Hollyweird BluRay
disks.

I haven't heard of that. *But I haven't followed it, either, so I
would not
readily find out except from people in these newsgroups. *What I am
curious
about is if the level of "ripped the protection" merely allows
making a clone
disk that normal players see as a legitimate DRM-encumbered disk,
or if it
has been broken enough to actually decrypt and get the clear
content out.


Might this be of interest?

http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0114/t.14405.html

G²

Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:23:06 -0500 wrote:

| Question for the group
|
| Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?

There already is, duh. That's how they get the movies on there and
stuff.

Who would buy a blank Blue-Ray?

Shesh.

Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
 

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:54:14 -0700 (PDT) G-squared wrote:
| On Jul 9, 4:05?pm, wrote:
| On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:21:05 -0700 Sam Spade
| wrote:| JimK wrote:
|
| |http://images.blu-ray.com/recorders/lg.jpg
| |
| | Blu-ray recorders
| |http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/
| |
| |
| | $1000 plus
| |
| |
| |
| | I don't know anything directly, but my computer guru says you can
| get
| | them at Fry's for a PC for around $300. ?And, someone has already
| ripped
| | the protection so someone so inclined can copy Hollyweird BluRay
| disks.
|
| I haven't heard of that. ?But I haven't followed it, either, so I
| would not
| readily find out except from people in these newsgroups. ?What I am
| curious
| about is if the level of "ripped the protection" merely allows
| making a clone
| disk that normal players see as a legitimate DRM-encumbered disk,
| or if it
| has been broken enough to actually decrypt and get the clear
| content out.
|
|
| Might this be of interest?
|
| http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0114/t.14405.html

Relevant, but not of interest to me. It would require yet another player or
recorder be purchased. I can stuff 4 1TB hard drives in my PC. By the time
this is on the market at commodity pricing (if ever) I can probably stuff 4
4TB hard drives in my PC, or 4 1TB flash drives.

Where is the market for a 400GB optical disk? As a distribution media for
a movie, it's way overkill. It could deliver one or two whole TV seasons
in HD, but that's only a fraction of the pre-recorded content market. As
to home recording, I just don't see it as being adopted. But it might be
used by really massive HD gaming, or delivery of those 5120x2160p120 ultra
definition cinema wide movies I predict we will see in the future ... once
the display devices hit the market with it.

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