Grundig Freesat box
 

The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to
allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you
have to manually add channels by keying in the multiplex
details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

So no different to the BSkyB box then?...

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about

You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
HTML copy attached to it. This is a pointless waste of bandwidth, and
you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.

and I don't care.

Oops, too late.

-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.


do though...

Grundig Freesat box
 

Bill Wright wrote:
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the
viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add
channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe
Public liking that.

I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box
last night.

Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using
just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks
useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.
This box is replacing a Sky box, that already had a nice chunky cable,
so I swapped to that one.

Switched on, and a Freesat Welcome screen appeared, along with a signal
strength bar graph. This read 90% in my case.
It then proceed to download software (not sure if this was box firmware,
or EPG/transponder data ?) The progress bar leapt to the 5% position
then stayed there for 3-4 mins. I'd almost given up hope, then it
started moving. Took about 10 mins to reach 100% After that the box
said it would reboot after 3 mins. This it did, and then it started on a
transponder scan. That took another 10 mins. Finally it started
displaying pictures. They were hideous, covered in patterning and clock
pulses, and in PAL. I opened the menus, but could find no mention of
RGB. I then connected an HDMI cable. The SD channels then looked clean,
but still washed out, and not a patch on the Sky box's versions. I
assume it has a very cheap upconverter. I switched to BBC HD (the whole
reason for the box) and the image was fine. As good as both a Humax
HDI-2000, and Sky HD box. I was expecting it to boot up from applying
power like a Sky box, a couple of mins quietly booting, then ready for
action. This box, and presumably the other Freesat boxes, operate quite
differently.
What happens when a new channel comes along. Will it auto magically add
it (a lá Sky), or do you need to faff about Freeview style ?

Conclusion: Don't use it on the Scart; not that you would, because
there's no point buying the box unless you have an HD capable display.
For watching the BBC HD channel via HDMI it's fine. No HDMI cable is
supplied, I used a 4 quid one from CPC. Not seen any ITV HD stuff on it
yet, and their HD schedule seems to be some sort of state secret !

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about

You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
HTML copy attached to it. This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,

Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one occasion,
and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real terms?

and
you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better tactic
would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern of offending.
A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will never be repeated.
Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost as if you enjoy pointing
such things out. I'm sure that isn't the case of course.

-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
Sigs waste bandwith. Please don't do this again.

Bill

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"Jerry" wrote in message
...

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.

do though...

Good job he's not using AIOE, they'd ban the group!

Steve Terry

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about

You did something different in that article that caused it to have
an
HTML copy attached to it. This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,

Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one
occasion, and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real
terms?

You doubled the size of your message, now think what that means if
1,000 people posted multi-part messages, now think what it would mean
is 10,000 people did it, what about 50,000 did - this means that many
servers will start dropping older messages sooner than they otherwise
should due to the extra storage space the multi-part messages use
(some servers might only hold a few days-worth of 'archive' messages),
the other problem is that some servers will delete multi-part messages
'on sight' meaning that your message might not be seen by all.... The
other problem with multi-part messages is that it's very easy for the
sender or a Trojan to hide a virus within the HTML (just as can happen
with web pages) and a onLoad script.


and
you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better
tactic would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern
of offending. A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will
never be repeated. Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost
as if you enjoy pointing such things out. I'm sure that isn't the
case of course.


It was a polite pointing out what you had done, your "I don't care"
response was what generated the heat and not the original 'offence',
all you needed to say was "Sorry"...

Grundig Freesat box
 

Bill Wright wrote:
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the
viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add
channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe
Public liking that.

Bill

All Freesat boxes made by Alba have this feature now, ie. Grundig, Bush etc.
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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one occasion,
and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real terms?

No.

I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better tactic
would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern of offending.

It doesn't really bother me - I wouldn't have noticed it if someone
else hadn't mentioned it. But I thought you would like to know that
you had made a mistake.

A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will never be repeated.
Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost as if you enjoy pointing
such things out. I'm sure that isn't the case of course.

That's right.

-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.

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Depends if there is anything worth watching and how well the process is
explained.

Brian

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in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing of
non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by keying
in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

No its a bit silly posting html on here.

Brian

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in the display name may be lost.
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"Jerry" wrote in message
...

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to
allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you
have to manually add channels by keying in the multiplex
details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

So no different to the BSkyB box then?...

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

Grundig Freesat box
 

He meant the mess below.
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8DC51.DB800100
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"
HTMLHEAD
META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1"
META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=3DGENERATOR
STYLE/STYLE
/HEAD
BODY
DIV
PFONT size=3D2 The Grundig Freesat box has had a software =
download to=20
allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually =
add=20
channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe =
Public=20
liking that./FONT/P
PFONT size=3D2Bill/FONT/P/DIV/BODY/HTML

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8DC51.DB800100--



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in the display name may be lost.
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

How does AD work on these boxes, and is it hard to set up that facility?

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Bill Wright wrote:
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing
of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by
keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking
that.

I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box last
night.

Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using
just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks
useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.
This box is replacing a Sky box, that already had a nice chunky cable, so
I swapped to that one.

Switched on, and a Freesat Welcome screen appeared, along with a signal
strength bar graph. This read 90% in my case.
It then proceed to download software (not sure if this was box firmware,
or EPG/transponder data ?) The progress bar leapt to the 5% position then
stayed there for 3-4 mins. I'd almost given up hope, then it started
moving. Took about 10 mins to reach 100% After that the box said it would
reboot after 3 mins. This it did, and then it started on a transponder
scan. That took another 10 mins. Finally it started displaying pictures.
They were hideous, covered in patterning and clock pulses, and in PAL. I
opened the menus, but could find no mention of RGB. I then connected an
HDMI cable. The SD channels then looked clean, but still washed out, and
not a patch on the Sky box's versions. I assume it has a very cheap
upconverter. I switched to BBC HD (the whole reason for the box) and the
image was fine. As good as both a Humax HDI-2000, and Sky HD box. I was
expecting it to boot up from applying power like a Sky box, a couple of
mins quietly booting, then ready for action. This box, and presumably the
other Freesat boxes, operate quite differently.
What happens when a new channel comes along. Will it auto magically add it
(a lá Sky), or do you need to faff about Freeview style ?

Conclusion: Don't use it on the Scart; not that you would, because there's
no point buying the box unless you have an HD capable display. For
watching the BBC HD channel via HDMI it's fine. No HDMI cable is supplied,
I used a 4 quid one from CPC. Not seen any ITV HD stuff on it yet, and
their HD schedule seems to be some sort of state secret !

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Jerry" wrote in message
...

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.


do though...

Go on then, tell teacher. There were kids like you at school. No-one liked
them either.


Bill

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box last
night.

Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using
just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks
useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.

Yes, it's remarkable. I don't think it has any wires inside it. It's just a
tube.

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one
occasion, and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real
terms?

You doubled the size of your message, now think what that means if 1,000
people posted multi-part messages, now think what it would mean is 10,000
people did it, what about 50,000 did - this means that many servers will
start dropping older messages sooner than they otherwise should due to the
extra storage space the multi-part messages use (some servers might only
hold a few days-worth of 'archive' messages), the other problem is that
some servers will delete multi-part messages 'on sight' meaning that your
message might not be seen by all.... The other problem with multi-part
messages is that it's very easy for the sender or a Trojan to hide a virus
within the HTML (just as can happen with web pages) and a onLoad script.

Like I said, 'Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that
one
occasion'. The point is that this happened once. If it happened every
time it would be different. Your immediate response to one incident
suggests to me that you enjoy pointing these things out, because no-one
else would have bothered. That's sad, very sad. Are a traffic warden
during the day?

and
you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better
tactic would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern of
offending. A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will never
be repeated. Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost as if you
enjoy pointing such things out. I'm sure that isn't the case of course.


It was a polite pointing out what you had done,
It wasn't polite, it came across as snotty and patronising. Sometimes the
word 'please' when used like that can be counter-productive.

your "I don't care"
response was what generated the heat and not the original 'offence', all
you needed to say was "Sorry"...
I'll be damned! So every time you inadvertently clip the kerb do you write
an apologetic letter to the chief constable. Grow up!

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...
No its a bit silly posting html on here.

Brian

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Bill

Grundig Freesat box
 

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box
last night.

Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using
just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks
useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.

Yes, it's remarkable. I don't think it has any wires inside it. It's just
a tube.

Perhaps it's a waveguide ;-)

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing
of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by
keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.
Bill

Including the FEC and PID for both video and audio?

Have they fixed the problem where the colour is shifted to the left of the
luminance?

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one
occasion, and what the consequences of that wastage would be in
real terms?

You doubled the size of your message, now think what that means if
1,000 people posted multi-part messages, now think what it would
mean is 10,000 people did it, what about 50,000 did - this means
that many servers will start dropping older messages sooner than
they otherwise should due to the extra storage space the multi-part
messages use (some servers might only hold a few days-worth of
'archive' messages), the other problem is that some servers will
delete multi-part messages 'on sight' meaning that your message
might not be seen by all.... The other problem with multi-part
messages is that it's very easy for the sender or a Trojan to hide
a virus within the HTML (just as can happen with web pages) and a
onLoad script.

Like I said, 'Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted
on that one
snip

That is NOT the point, bandwidth is irrelevant, it's to do with how
Usenet servers work as I tried to explain above.


It was a polite pointing out what you had done,
It wasn't polite, it came across as snotty and patronising.
Sometimes the word 'please' when used like that can be
counter-productive.

What should I have said then, considering that you are from Yorkshire
and I have Northumbrian blood - 'BTW, don't post f*cking multi-part
messages you moronic c*unt faced idiot'?....

Grow up!


Stop talking about yourself.

Grundig Freesat box
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

snip

Go on then, tell teacher. There were kids like you at school. No-one
liked them either.


The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod Hull"...

Grundig Freesat box
 

Bill Wright wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...
No its a bit silly posting html on here.

Brian

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Bill

You appear to be in a very unpleasant mood today.
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

Grundig Freesat box
 

The Bush has a seperate AD button, as it is made by Alba and so are others I
expect it is almost universal.

Brian Gaff wrote:
How does AD work on these boxes, and is it hard to set up that
facility?

Grundig Freesat box
 

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote in message
...
Bill Wright wrote
on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:11:01 +0100 in message
:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
.com...
No its a bit silly posting html on here.

Brian

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.


For Brian we make exceptions, due to him having to use a
screen-reader, it's
a little more difficult when you can't see.

Also, top posting is just annoying, it's not a de facto 'No, no' like
multi-part (HTML) posting is (for the reasons given elsewhere).

Grundig Freesat box
 

Calm down.
For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse than
rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of us.

Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

Grundig Freesat box
 

zumoz wrote:

|| Calm down.
|| For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse than
|| rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.
||
|| Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers and
messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that matter what
it's all about:o)

Grundig Freesat box
 

Guppy Fester Guthrie wrote:
On 2 Jul 2008 14:59:01 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about

You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
HTML copy attached to it. This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,
and you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.

I think this sort of comment about wasting bandwidth dates back to
around 1995 when we were all (well those of us online back then) were
using 14.4k dial up modems (28.8 = luxury, my 14.4 cost me £90 back
then).
I now pay Rupert £5 a month for 8Mb on top of my Sky sub so this
bandwidth wasting talk is nonsense. IMO.
I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
anyone?

CD

Some people still use news readers that are incompatable with HTML, probably
why it's still frowned on for Usenet.
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:04:41 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote:

zumoz wrote:

|| Calm down.
|| For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse than
|| rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.
||
|| Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers and
messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that matter what
it's all about:o)

Microsoft Windows Mail? What the hell is that?

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zumoz wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:04:41 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote:

zumoz wrote:

Calm down.
For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse
than rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.

Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers
and messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that
matter what it's all about:o)

Microsoft Windows Mail? What the hell is that?

Is that a rhetorical question? If not, where have you been since Vista was
launched?
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
snip
where have you been since Vista was launched?

Trying to steer well clear of it - Vista, the reincarnation of that
other Windows marketing fiasco, ME...

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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
zumoz wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:04:41 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote:

zumoz wrote:

Calm down.
For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse
than rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.

Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers
and messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that
matter what it's all about:o)

Microsoft Windows Mail? What the hell is that?

Is that a rhetorical question? If not, where have you been since Vista was
launched?
The M$ app that dare not keep its name.
Perhaps they should have stuck with MSIMN, Microsoft Internet Mail and News.

--
Graham

%Profound_observation%

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In article , Adrian wrote:
I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
anyone?

CD

Some people still use news readers that are incompatable with HTML, probably*
why it's still frowned on for Usenet.

Some people would put that the other way round - HTML is incompatible with news
readers. Usenet and email were designed for text-only communication, and there
are so many gimmicks and special effects available elsewhere for those that
want them that there is a need to preserve something plain and simple that
works on any equipment and doesn't gobble bandwidth.

A particular annoyance is advertisers who send me messages full of HTML with a
note at the bottom suggesting I should equip myself with news or email software
that can handle it. Who do they think they are? My software is my choice, and
if they want to put their message across it's in their interests to do it in a
manner that will make it clear. I'm certainly not going to change software that
I'm comfortable with for the benefit of advertisers.

Rod.

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On 02/07/2008 19:11, Bill Wright wrote:

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Do you know *why* Brian prefers top-posting?

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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Perhaps it's a waveguide ;-)

It's a plastic waveguide. It would guide waves of air I suppose.

Bill

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"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote in message
...
Bill Wright wrote
on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:11:01 +0100 in message
:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
.com...
No its a bit silly posting html on here.

Brian

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Bill


For Brian we make exceptions, due to him having to use a screen-reader,
it's
a little more difficult when you can't see.

Yes I know. I was just getting him back for moaning about the fact that one
of my messages inexplicably was in html.

Bill

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"Guppy Fester Guthrie" wrote in message
...
I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
anyone?
My point is that when I post one (ONE!) message that these people don't like
they immediately jump on my back. The sensible thing would be to leave it
alone and see if it keeps happening. If so it would suggest that some
settings want altering at this end, so comment would be fair enough. But
these people just sit there and pounce when there's a single post that they
don't like, even when it comes amongst hundreds that they don't object to.
That's clear evidence that they enjoy pointing out the wrongdoings of
others. That's a personality weakness that gets on my tits bigstyle. There's
a lot of them in the world, these prodnose types. Unfortunately many of them
are incapable of doing a proper job so given that plus their innate
prodnoseness they get jobs as traffic wardens and so forth. When will people
learn to live and let live?

Bill

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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .myzen.co.uk...
In article , Adrian
wrote:
A particular annoyance is advertisers who send me messages full of HTML
with a
note at the bottom suggesting I should equip myself with news or email
software
that can handle it. Who do they think they are? My software is my choice,
and
if they want to put their message across it's in their interests to do it
in a
manner that will make it clear. I'm certainly not going to change software
that
I'm comfortable with for the benefit of advertisers.

They try it on because lots of people don't know enough about computers and
they get taken in. It's just another little con.

There's an outfit ringing round at the moment, introducing themselves as
'CIS'. Now 'CIS' is an Inland Revenue thing that the self-employed have to
take notice of, so calling themselves that is a con. There's another one
that rings up and says that they are 'The Halifax', but they're nothing to
do with HBS. And don't get me started on the way the disabled are conned
when they need a battery for their mobility device.

Bill

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 02/07/2008 19:11, Bill Wright wrote:

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Do you know *why* Brian prefers top-posting?

Of course I do. But since he had a go at me so I had a go at him. What's
wrong with that. I belive that the disabled should be treated equally. I
don't want to get into this, but I think you'll find that Brian doesn't want
to be patronised by you by your assumption that the disabled can't speak for
themselves.

Bill