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10ft mast on 12" bracket
Would this be an unstable set up:
Blake SR18 element group b Triax 10 element group C/D 10'x2" mast 12" cradle bracket I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Marky P wrote:
|| Would this be an unstable set up: || || Blake SR18 element group b || Triax 10 element group C/D || 10'x2" mast || 12" cradle bracket || || I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his || aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good || idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would || be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an || 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't || think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". || Freesat? || Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Marky P" wrote in message ... Would this be an unstable set up: Blake SR18 element group b Triax 10 element group C/D 10'x2" mast 12" cradle bracket I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". Are you sure the mast is 10ft x 2"? That's an unusual size. Could it be 12ft x 2"? Anyway, I'd think twice before putting a ten foot mast with two aerials on a single lashing wire. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Ivan" wrote in message
... Marky P wrote: || Would this be an unstable set up: || || Blake SR18 element group b || Triax 10 element group C/D || 10'x2" mast || 12" cradle bracket || || I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his || aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good || idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would || be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an || 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't || think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". || Freesat? || Marky P. Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Marky P wrote:
Would this be an unstable set up: Blake SR18 element group b Triax 10 element group C/D 10'x2" mast 12" cradle bracket I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". Marky P. http://www.vanjak.com/images/super2/CBG-09.htm The above is the bracket I use every day with 10' x 2" Aluminium masts. Glenn... |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Glenn Millar wrote:
Marky P wrote: Would this be an unstable set up: Blake SR18 element group b Triax 10 element group C/D 10'x2" mast 12" cradle bracket I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". Marky P. http://www.vanjak.com/images/super2/CBG-09.htm The above is the bracket I use every day with 10' x 2" Aluminium masts. Glenn... Should have added, it's a 14" bracket. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
In article , Paul D.Smith
scribeth thus "Ivan" wrote in message ... Marky P wrote: || Would this be an unstable set up: || || Blake SR18 element group b || Triax 10 element group C/D || 10'x2" mast || 12" cradle bracket || || I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his || aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good || idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would || be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an || 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't || think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". || Freesat? || Marky P. Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS Theres no fun in that;). Waaay too sensible.... -- Tony Sayer |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Marky P" wrote in message ... Would this be an unstable set up: Blake SR18 element group b Triax 10 element group C/D 10'x2" mast 12" cradle bracket I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". Marky P. As far as I'm aware Mr P, there's no readily available 12" cradle bracket. It's either 8" or 13.5". Assuming you've got the 13.5" then I wouldn't worry about it too much. Yes it would be better to have 2 straps around the chimney and a nice space inbetween, but if this can't be easily done then I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure the chimney is in good condition and the strap is nice and tight. Here's a 13.5" cradle with a 10ft mast and a few aerials on it. This mast is actually 1.5" diameter. http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3936/markyge3.jpg I've noticed lately that there are "new" cheaper 13.5" galvanised cradle brackets available. They are about 30% cheaper than the normal ones, but the metal is much slimmer and they feel terribly flimsy. I ordered a load by mistake without realising. I also noticed the same has happened to non penetrating roof mounts. I sometimes use the 2" version (450m slabs), and used to pay about £100 for it. Then they changed the price down to about £45. Everything else looked the same so I ordered one for a job, but when it arrived it wasn't great. They have cut out lots of metal from all over, and it now weighs half of the old one and it can't support an aerial properly now as much of the metal has been removed from the centre part with the mast coming up. I complained and was told the older version wasn't available and the new one was just as good! I now have to order the "older" version (much better version) directly from Blake UK. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Glenn Millar" wrote in message ... http://www.vanjak.com/images/super2/CBG-09.htm The above is the bracket I use every day with 10' x 2" Aluminium masts. Glenn, I admit that I'm over cautious. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Carpy" wrote in message ... http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3936/markyge3.jpg I know I'm over cautious, and I'm sure that the job in your picture is just fine, but I personally would never put that installation on one lashing wire. I know, I know! It's me. I also noticed the same has happened to non penetrating roof mounts. I sometimes use the 2" version (450m slabs), and used to pay about £100 for it. Then they changed the price down to about £45. Everything else looked the same so I ordered one for a job, but when it arrived it wasn't great. They have cut out lots of metal from all over, and it now weighs half of the old one and it can't support an aerial properly now as much of the metal has been removed from the centre part with the mast coming up. I complained and was told the older version wasn't available and the new one was just as good! I now have to order the "older" version (much better version) directly from Blake UK. I spent some time at the show talking to ISS of Leeds who make these items for Sat Sol. The product range is VG. Have a look. Anyway, next year I'm going to twist the arms of a few people on here to come to the show. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Bill Wright wrote:
|| "Carpy" wrote in message || ... ||| http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3936/markyge3.jpg ||| || I know I'm over cautious, and I'm sure that the job in your picture || is just fine, but I personally would never put that installation on || one lashing wire. I know, I know! It's me. || ||| I also noticed the same has happened to non penetrating roof ||| mounts. I sometimes use the 2" version (450m slabs), and used to ||| pay about £100 for it. Then they changed the price down to about ||| £45. Everything else looked the same so I ordered one for a job, ||| but when it arrived it wasn't great. They have cut out lots of ||| metal from all over, and it now weighs half of the old one and it ||| can't support an aerial properly now as much of the metal has been ||| removed from the centre part with the mast coming up. ||| ||| I complained and was told the older version wasn't available and ||| the new one was just as good! I now have to order the "older" ||| version (much better version) directly from Blake UK. || I spent some time at the show talking to ISS of Leeds who make these || items for Sat Sol. The product range is VG. Have a look. || || Anyway, next year I'm going to twist the arms of a few people on || here to come to the show. || Provided that the lashing wire is of good quality then they're probably won't be any reason for it to let go, I still see heavy duty galvanised chimney brackets dating back around 50 years which were fitted by Rediffusion to carry some pretty weighty catenaries across busy main roads, the lashing wire on those consisted of stranded phosphorus bronze. || Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Sorry I omitted to trim Bills post, so it wasn't obvious exactly what part of it I was replying to.. error corrected. Ivan || || Bill Wright wrote: |||| "Carpy" wrote in message |||| ... ||||| http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3936/markyge3.jpg ||||| |||| I know I'm over cautious, and I'm sure that the job in your picture |||| is just fine, but I personally would never put that installation on |||| one lashing wire. I know, I know! It's me. |||| || Provided that the lashing wire is of good quality then there || probably won't be any reason for it to let go, I still see heavy || duty galvanised chimney brackets dating back around 50 years which || were fitted by Rediffusion to carry some pretty weighty catenaries || across busy main roads, the lashing wire on those consisted of || stranded phosphorus bronze. || |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Ivan" wrote in message ... Provided that the lashing wire is of good quality then they're probably won't be any reason for it to let go, I still see heavy duty galvanised chimney brackets dating back around 50 years which were fitted by Rediffusion to carry some pretty weighty catenaries across busy main roads, the lashing wire on those consisted of stranded phosphorus bronze. Yes, I've had to cut a few of them down. . . Modern lash wire is, of course, a poor thing by comparision. My worries, though, are usually about the stresses on the masonry than the strength of the wire. I must say, again, that I know I'm overcautious about this. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Bill Wright wrote:
|| "Ivan" wrote in message || ... ||| Provided that the lashing wire is of good quality then they're ||| probably won't be any reason for it to let go, I still see heavy ||| duty galvanised chimney brackets dating back around 50 years which ||| were fitted by Rediffusion to carry some pretty weighty catenaries ||| across busy main roads, the lashing wire on those consisted of ||| stranded phosphorus bronze. || || Yes, I've had to cut a few of them down. . . || || Modern lash wire is, of course, a poor thing by comparision. My || worries, though, are usually about the stresses on the masonry than || the strength of the wire. I must say, again, that I know I'm || overcautious about this. || || Bill You're right to be so Bill, there were many old neglected and bomb damaged Victorian buildings in the postwar inner cities and those aforementioned 'weighty catenaries' usually required the efforts of a couple of blokes on each end pulling them as taught as they could and then making off the stainless steel support wire onto the J bolts. In one instance I can recall despite the J bolts being tightened at both ends no noticeable increase in tautness could be seen, the reason for this soon became apparent when it was noticed that one of the stacks was starting to lean forward at a precarious angle, needless to say that the J bolts were quickly slackened and the stack eased back into its original position! | |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:04:44 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: In article , Paul D.Smith scribeth thus "Ivan" wrote in message ... Marky P wrote: || Would this be an unstable set up: || || Blake SR18 element group b || Triax 10 element group C/D || 10'x2" mast || 12" cradle bracket || || I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his || aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good || idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would || be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an || 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't || think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". || Freesat? || Marky P. Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS Theres no fun in that;). Waaay too sensible.... Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
As far as I'm aware Mr P, there's no readily available 12" cradle bracket. It's either 8" or 13.5". Actually you're right. It is a 13.5" bracket. Got it from CPC. At the time, I didn't know if the chimney was tall enough for an 18" bracket, so I went for the next size down. Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... "Ivan" wrote in message ... Provided that the lashing wire is of good quality then they're probably won't be any reason for it to let go, I still see heavy duty galvanised chimney brackets dating back around 50 years which were fitted by Rediffusion to carry some pretty weighty catenaries across busy main roads, the lashing wire on those consisted of stranded phosphorus bronze. Yes, I've had to cut a few of them down. . . Modern lash wire is, of course, a poor thing by comparision. My worries, though, are usually about the stresses on the masonry than the strength of the wire. I must say, again, that I know I'm overcautious about this. Bill The way I see it is that if the same bracket / lashing was only supporting a small 10 element aerial on the same 10ft mast, then I wouldn't do the lashing kit any looser, so really the compressional stress (which I believe is the more relevant one) on the chimney is the same for either rig. If you look at the bracket as a kind of dual cantilever beam with virtually no deflection, then having 3 smallish aerials instead of 1 adds so little to the imposed load that it won't have any worthwhile bearing on the moment applied to the bracket (beam). The wind loading will be increased a fair bit, but it could never really impose enough force on the chimney to matter. The mast will always be the weakest link and must resist constantly going from tension to compression, so a nice lightweight aerial such as a log is a good choice if possible. Obviously the higher up the pole the aerial goes the more magnified the force becomes as force = load x distance.. The Sky dish adds a small load but in that position relative to the bracket it's irrelevant. So really for me, with a bracket like this, the only relevant things are the horizontal compression stresses on the chimney, and a mast that is plenty strong enough yet will flex sufficiently to prevent transferring too much to the chimney, and not be so thick that it becomes overly heavy and places a much larger load on the bracket. We always used to design structures with a safety factor of 3. That is, work out the maximum theoretical load that could ever possibly be imposed and design the building / structure to take three times that load. I'm confident that a bracket / chimney like the one above has a much much larger safety factor. All this could of course be complete ********, as it's been quite a few years since I've done anything remotely useful in the Civil / Structural engineering scene, but I still maintain a good "eye" for what's acceptable and what's not, although these days it's more down to judgement than calculation. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote: "Ivan" wrote in message ... You're right to be so Bill, there were many old neglected and bomb damaged Victorian buildings in the postwar inner cities and those aforementioned with it. This was a fortunate because the damage caused by a hundredweight of soot landing in the living room was considerable. We forget these days about soot. I used to come home covered in the stuff, and I could never get it out of my pores. Good detoxing agent? ..or early toner refill as it's mostly carbon. With white lips and a banjo fashioned from aerial wires, you must have been made around the clubs.. ;')) Bill ZFC -- Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/ Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/ |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
....snip...
Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS Theres no fun in that;). Waaay too sensible.... Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Marky P. I suppose the cost does go up for each Freesat box purchased, which I hadn't allowed for. Question is will your friend wait until SD Freesat boxes are 10-a-penny or does he want all his TVs NOW! But then I add up "PVR + 3 others = 5" - bother, one more than a quad LNB can handle. How often does your friend have multiple TVs on watching multiple things? What about somehow driving the other TVs from the Freesat box? Or perhaps he needs a full blown "hotel" like distribution system. All getting too complicated now ;-) Good luck with the aerial. Paul DS. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
In article , Marky P
scribeth thus On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:04:44 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Paul D.Smith scribeth thus "Ivan" wrote in message ... Marky P wrote: || Would this be an unstable set up: || || Blake SR18 element group b || Triax 10 element group C/D || 10'x2" mast || 12" cradle bracket || || I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his || aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good || idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would || be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an || 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't || think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". || Freesat? || Marky P. Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS Theres no fun in that;). Waaay too sensible.... Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Marky P. Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to satellite?.. -- Tony Sayer |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
tony sayer wrote:
Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to satellite?.. If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 is the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that - or a real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. -- Andy |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Andy Wade wrote:
|| tony sayer wrote: || |||| Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview |||| for the other 3 tellies. || ||| Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to ||| satellite?.. || || If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've heard || talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 is the usual || limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that - or a real move to || the single-cable ('SCR') technology. || Technomate TM8 || -- || Andy |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Ivan wrote:
|| Andy Wade wrote: |||| tony sayer wrote: |||| |||||| Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview |||||| for the other 3 tellies. |||| ||||| Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to ||||| satellite?.. |||| |||| If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've |||| heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 is |||| the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that - or a |||| real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. |||| || || Technomate TM8 || Or the Wistron Sky Octo LNB http://www.brittany-satellites.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211 |||| -- |||| Andy |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Marky P scribeth thus On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:04:44 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Paul D.Smith scribeth thus "Ivan" wrote in message ... Marky P wrote: snip Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Marky P. Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to satellite?.. Tony Sayer That's what i would do, (have done before) Stick a 4 output LNB on the dish and feed it to 4 used SKY STBs. Much more future proofed too 28 east is going to carry far more FTA than DVB-T ever will Steve Terry |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Andy Wade" wrote in message ... tony sayer wrote: Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to satellite?.. If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 is the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that - or a real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. Andy Dishes and quad LNBs are cheap enough without looking for more, or feeding an expensive distribution system. Just stick a second dish up with another quad LNB. another 30quid, tops. Steve Terry |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Ivan" wrote in message ... Ivan wrote: || Andy Wade wrote: |||| tony sayer wrote: |||| |||||| Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview |||||| for the other 3 tellies. |||| ||||| Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to ||||| satellite?.. |||| |||| If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've |||| heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 is |||| the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that - or a |||| real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. |||| || || Technomate TM8 || Or the Wistron Sky Octo LNB http://www.brittany-satellites.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211 75quid! Another dish and quad LNB = 30quid But it is a solution if you aren't allowed to install another dish. Steve Terry |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Steve Terry wrote:
|| "Ivan" wrote in message || ... ||| Ivan wrote: ||||| Andy Wade wrote: ||||||| tony sayer wrote: ||||||| ||||||||| Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need ||||||||| Freeview for the other 3 tellies. ||||||| |||||||| Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to |||||||| satellite?.. ||||||| ||||||| If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've ||||||| heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 ||||||| is the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that ||||||| - or a real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. ||||||| ||||| ||||| Technomate TM8 ||||| ||| ||| Or the Wistron Sky Octo LNB ||| ||| http://www.brittany-satellites.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211 ||| ||| || 75quid! || Another dish and quad LNB = 30quid || But it is a solution if you aren't allowed to install another dish. || IMO it wouldn't be right for others on this newsgroup [who after all have to try and make a living] for me to quote a trade price, however IIRC from previous posts long past I believe that Marky P. had some kind of access to a trade outlet?.. if so then I think he won't be too unhappy with the price. || Steve Terry |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus "Ivan" wrote in message ... Ivan wrote: || Andy Wade wrote: |||| tony sayer wrote: |||| |||||| Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview |||||| for the other 3 tellies. |||| ||||| Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to ||||| satellite?.. |||| |||| If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've |||| heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 is |||| the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that - or a |||| real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. |||| || || Technomate TM8 || Or the Wistron Sky Octo LNB http://www.brittany-satellites.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211 75quid! Another dish and quad LNB = 30quid But it is a solution if you aren't allowed to install another dish. Steve Terry I do believe they are available for less then that... -- Tony Sayer |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:15:15 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote: ...snip... Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS Theres no fun in that;). Waaay too sensible.... Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Marky P. I suppose the cost does go up for each Freesat box purchased, which I hadn't allowed for. Question is will your friend wait until SD Freesat boxes are 10-a-penny or does he want all his TVs NOW! But then I add up "PVR + 3 others = 5" - bother, one more than a quad LNB can handle. How often does your friend have multiple TVs on watching multiple things? What about somehow driving the other TVs from the Freesat box? Or perhaps he needs a full blown "hotel" like distribution system. All getting too complicated now ;-) Good luck with the aerial. Paul DS. In the past year, my friend (and his wife) have only been to their holiday home three times. They do rent it out, but only to friends and that's not often. So the tellys aren't used a great deal. Got a call last night from him saying that all Freeview channels are breaking up now & he wants me to go down there next weekend and install the new Blake aerial. I told him it might make no difference, but I'm happy to do it. Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29:07 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: In article , Marky P scribeth thus On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:04:44 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Paul D.Smith scribeth thus "Ivan" wrote in message ... Marky P wrote: || Would this be an unstable set up: || || Blake SR18 element group b || Triax 10 element group C/D || 10'x2" mast || 12" cradle bracket || || I've just had a word with my friend about the replacement of his || aerial down in Devon and he thought a higher mast would be a good || idea, due to the flats being built in the line of fire. But I would || be dubious about using a 10' mast with a 12" bracket. Changing to an || 18" bracket would be loads of hassle (and extra expense) and I don't || think it's worth it. What d'ya reckon? Current mast is 6'x2". || Freesat? || Marky P. Freesat is an interesting thought as the expense of your components must be starting to get up to the cost of a Freesat setup. Or even, perhaps, the Sky FTA offering i.e. getting someone else to put the dish up for him ;-). I did hear of cheap deals from Currys/Dixons. If you make sure the dish is in a good place, and he gets one of the multi-head LNBs, then next time you're down there you can wire up some extra cables for him and he gets 4 output (2 for PVR plus two bedrooms perhaps?). Paul DS Theres no fun in that;). Waaay too sensible.... Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need Freeview for the other 3 tellies. Marky P. Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to satellite?.. I'll suggest it, but it's all extra boxes. I had to install all the bedroom tellies on wall bracket and put all wiring through the walls so nothing would show. It was a right bugger. Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:48:28 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote: Steve Terry wrote: || "Ivan" wrote in message || ... ||| Ivan wrote: ||||| Andy Wade wrote: ||||||| tony sayer wrote: ||||||| ||||||||| Freesat is an option for the main telly, but still need ||||||||| Freeview for the other 3 tellies. ||||||| |||||||| Why not use a multi output LNB and simply convert the whole to |||||||| satellite?.. ||||||| ||||||| If "main telly" includes a PVR he'll need a 5-output LNB. I've ||||||| heard talk of 6- or 8-o/p LNBs, but do they actually exist? 4 ||||||| is the usual limit, with a multiswitch being needed after that ||||||| - or a real move to the single-cable ('SCR') technology. ||||||| ||||| ||||| Technomate TM8 ||||| ||| ||| Or the Wistron Sky Octo LNB ||| ||| http://www.brittany-satellites.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211 ||| ||| || 75quid! || Another dish and quad LNB = 30quid || But it is a solution if you aren't allowed to install another dish. || IMO it wouldn't be right for others on this newsgroup [who after all have to try and make a living] for me to quote a trade price, however IIRC from previous posts long past I believe that Marky P. had some kind of access to a trade outlet?.. if so then I think he won't be too unhappy with the price. || Steve Terry I have no access to a trade outlet :-(. Just a humble amateur, me. Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Marky P" wrote in message ... On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:48:28 +0100, "Ivan" I have no access to a trade outlet :-(. Just a humble amateur, me. Marky, most full time installers are amateurs, humble or otherwise. If you walk into any trade outlet and offer to pay cash you will have no problem. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Marky P wrote:
I have no access to a trade outlet :-(. Just a humble amateur, me. Try Solutions Group in Northampton, just off the Bedford Road in Brackmills. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:37:08 +0100, chunkyoldcortina
wrote: Marky P wrote: I have no access to a trade outlet :-(. Just a humble amateur, me. Try Solutions Group in Northampton, just off the Bedford Road in Brackmills. OK. Next time I'm up that way I'll pop in. Marky P. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Marky P" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:37:08 +0100, chunkyoldcortina wrote: Marky P wrote: I have no access to a trade outlet :-(. Just a humble amateur, me. Try Solutions Group in Northampton, just off the Bedford Road in Brackmills. OK. Next time I'm up that way I'll pop in. Get your face tattooed and smoke a fag and they'll think you're a proper aerial man. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
Alan Pemberton wrote:
|| Bill Wright wrote: || ||| Marky, most full time installers are amateurs, humble or otherwise. ||| If you walk into any trade outlet and offer to pay cash you will ||| have no problem. || || I once walked into Blakes and offered cash for one of their famous || log periodics but they wanted twice the price that CPC do them for. || It's the same with the plumbing trade counter down the road, || compared with Screwfix prices for the same thing. They can all smell || real tradesmen a mile off. || Although Alan even genuine tradesmen dealing with trade outlets can sometimes find the same item being sold in supermarkets cheaper than they can buy it at trade price.. long gone are the days of retail price maintenance when one was 'guaranteed' of profit margin of 33.3%. || -- || Alan Pemberton || Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England || To e-mail me directly, please visit || http://www.pembers.freeserve.co.uk/index.html#Mail-me |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
On 06/07/2008 16:19, Alan Pemberton wrote:
I once walked into Blakes and offered cash I had no problems with Blakes a couple of years back; I turned up and they sold me LP/FM/DAB aerials, bracket, mast, amp and various outlet plates, all at very favourable prices compared to the catalogue/website. |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Ivan" wrote in message ... Alan Pemberton wrote: || Bill Wright wrote: || ||| Marky, most full time installers are amateurs, humble or otherwise. ||| If you walk into any trade outlet and offer to pay cash you will ||| have no problem. || || I once walked into Blakes and offered cash for one of their famous || log periodics but they wanted twice the price that CPC do them for. || It's the same with the plumbing trade counter down the road, || compared with Screwfix prices for the same thing. They can all smell || real tradesmen a mile off. || Although Alan even genuine tradesmen dealing with trade outlets can sometimes find the same item being sold in supermarkets cheaper than they can buy it at trade price.. long gone are the days of retail price maintenance when one was 'guaranteed' of profit margin of 33.3%. Many years ago the situation arose that the small distribution amplifiers we were fond of using became available at Wickes, at prices not dissimiliar to the trade price. Now the problem is, if you install a dist. amp you are automatically giving 12 month's on-site warranty (a free call out and replacement) so my policy was to mark amps up by a huge margin. I actually had customers ringing me complaining that the amp I had sold them was available at much lower cost at Wickes. Now the fact is, Joe Public has never understood about costs and overheads, and with some of them it's a waste of breath telling them. They like to think that if they pay £150 for an aerial installation the aerial cost £140 and the installation cost a tenner (instead of the other way round in the case of some installers). Ok, well Labgear (for it was they) are entitled to trade just how they like. They'd figured that they could make more money by selling via Wickes than by not doing so, and good luck to them. It's the same with filling stations that hold up the diesel queue by selling lottery tickets at the same till. It's their decision, but there are lots of other filling stations so if I'm delayed by lottery customers I never, ever, return. Fair enough I think. So I spoke to Labgear and suggested that they make some simple cosmetic changes and took the Labgear name off the amps that they sold to Wickes. But no. So that's when I stopped using Labgear amps. Haven't used one for 25 years now. Must have cost them a fair bit, because I know I wasn't the only one. Incidentally, when Antiference used to sell via Tandy they rebadged the product and altered it slightly, which was fine. Bill |
10ft mast on 12" bracket
"Andy Burns" wrote in message et... On 06/07/2008 16:19, Alan Pemberton wrote: I once walked into Blakes and offered cash I had no problems with Blakes a couple of years back; I turned up and they sold me LP/FM/DAB aerials, bracket, mast, amp and various outlet plates, all at very favourable prices compared to the catalogue/website. I've used wholesalers when I've been short of gear in places away from base, and I've never had the slightest problem. On one occasion someone asked, "Are you in the trade?" and I said, "Well as it happens yes but I'm paying by card anyway" and that was that. Bill |
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