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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:40:45 GMT, "jb" wrote:
someone just posted a mesaage on another newsgroup saying his new brother has just got a new Humax HD reciever and has found roughly 300 or 400 channels The Humax box is a proper satellite receiver, with Freesat 'added on'. A normal freesat receiver will receive only 46 TV channels at the time of writing and will NOT allow you to tune other FTA channels in. -- |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:40:45 GMT, "jb" wrote: someone just posted a mesaage on another newsgroup saying his new brother has just got a new Humax HD reciever and has found roughly 300 or 400 channels The Humax box is a proper satellite receiver, with Freesat 'added on'. A normal freesat receiver will receive only 46 TV channels at the time of writing and will NOT allow you to tune other FTA channels in. -- it therefore seems like at the present time.. the humax box is the one to go for init... quite good value at 149quid when compared with say.. the sky HD one which is being sold for 399quid accordong to their current website... whether this price is dependant on the additional 150 quid for the quoted instal etc im not sure. personally when the humax HD PVR comes out in about six weeks or so I think myself and many others may be sorely tempted .. (especially if available for the two hundred quid or so being bandied about..) ney.. driven by invisible forces... to buy one : ) cheers jb |
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selling their sky HD box on their website for 399 when comet et al are
knocking out an argually even better Humax one for 149.. isnt going to exactly help attract in cash strapped hard working families is it.. indeed anyone who has actually bought the sky HD box and had it installed for the whopping 549 quoted might be forgiven for feeling ever so slightly wobbly... : ) even the ludicrously wealthy would probably run a mile faced with the lauughable prices being published on the sky website today just my humble opinion mind cheers jb "Paul Heslop" wrote in message ... by ignoring it, like they ignore their customers. -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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jb wrote:
: selling their sky HD box on their website for 399 when comet et al are : knocking out an argually even better Humax one for 149.. isnt going to : exactly help attract in cash strapped hard working families is it.. But this is a pretty ridiculous comparison! Noone pays £399 for SkyHD! Why would you want a one unless you had Sky TV (any level at all - £16/month and up)?? *With* Sky TV the SkyHd box is comparable to the (not even out!) Humax PVR (reputed to be going to cost £299). |
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In uk.media.tv.sky Nigel Barker wrote:
: You seem to be forgetting the 120 pounds per year forever cost of using : the Sky HD PVR. Without the 10 pounds per month it only functions as : a single tuner receiver. Your comparion is equally artificial! Yes, up to now, *some* people may have been paying the £10/month. Now I can think of no reason why someone not subscribing to Sky at all would even want a SkyHD STB! With even the £16/month Sky subscription - which people even get for the included brooadband these days! - the SkyHD STB becomes a twin-tuner Sky+ PVR with a few free HD channels. Very directly comparable to the Humax PVR at a (possible!) cost of £299 Why do people insist that the SkyHD STB and Humax Freesat PVR are still in competition?? |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:40:23 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky Nigel Barker wrote: : You seem to be forgetting the 120 pounds per year forever cost of using : the Sky HD PVR. Without the 10 pounds per month it only functions as : a single tuner receiver. Your comparion is equally artificial! Yes, up to now, *some* people may have been paying the £10/month. Now I can think of no reason why someone not subscribing to Sky at all would even want a SkyHD STB! Until recently the Sky HD digibox was available on Ebay at a much cheaper price & was actually not too expensive for an FTA HD receiver. It was one of the very first on the market & MPEG4 HD DVB-S2 receivers have been pretty rare. Even now MPEG4 HD DVB-S2 PVRs are very thin on the ground. I was actually responding to Mr Tolerance who complained that it was unfair to compare the prices of a twin tuner PVR against a single-tuner standalone. I was pointing out that the price of the Sky PVR is much higher given the ongoing subscription costs or has similar single tuner receiver functionality if a subscription is not paid. -- Cheers Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
"jb" wrote in message ... "Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:40:45 GMT, "jb" wrote: someone just posted a mesaage on another newsgroup saying his new brother has just got a new Humax HD reciever and has found roughly 300 or 400 channels The Humax box is a proper satellite receiver, with Freesat 'added on'. A normal freesat receiver will receive only 46 TV channels at the time of writing and will NOT allow you to tune other FTA channels in. -- it therefore seems like at the present time.. the humax box is the one to go for init... quite good value at 149quid when compared with say.. the sky HD one which is being sold for 399quid accordong to their current website... whether this price is dependant on the additional 150 quid for the quoted instal etc im not sure. personally when the humax HD PVR comes out in about six weeks or so I think myself and many others may be sorely tempted .. (especially if available for the two hundred quid or so being bandied about..) ney.. driven by invisible forces... to buy one : ) cheers jb I want as many people as possible to get a HD receiver, Freesat, FTA or SKY. That's the only way to prove that demand is there, and hence increase the number of HD channels. In the mean time I'm happy with my SKY HD because I like what SKY offers in terms of Sport and Films and the added quality of those in HD is worth it to me. P.S. I don't care if some of the main HD channels will largely be scaled SD to start, like Channel4. The quality of their SD scalers produces a much better picture then either your TV or the HD box scaling a crappy MPEG2 SD broadcast. |
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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:40:23 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote: In uk.media.tv.sky Nigel Barker wrote: : You seem to be forgetting the 120 pounds per year forever cost of using : the Sky HD PVR. Without the 10 pounds per month it only functions as : a single tuner receiver. Your comparion is equally artificial! Yes, up to now, *some* people may have been paying the £10/month. Now I can think of no reason why someone not subscribing to Sky at all would even want a SkyHD STB! Until recently the Sky HD digibox was available on Ebay at a much cheaper price & was actually not too expensive for an FTA HD receiver. It was one of the very first on the market & MPEG4 HD DVB-S2 receivers have been pretty rare. Even now MPEG4 HD DVB-S2 PVRs are very thin on the ground. I was actually responding to Mr Tolerance who complained that it was unfair to compare the prices of a twin tuner PVR against a single-tuner standalone. I was pointing out that the price of the Sky PVR is much higher given the ongoing subscription costs or has similar single tuner receiver functionality if a subscription is not paid. Everyone complained when TV's where still sold without DVB-T tuners as a drag on the spread of DVB. Well it's a disgrace that in order to have a "cheap" option Freesat is offering SD only box's. If the majority of Freesat systems sold are SD then that will act as a drag on increasing HD channels. |
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 15:10:49 +0100, "jb" wrote:
quite good value at 149quid when compared with say.. the sky HD one which is being sold for 399quid accordong to their current website... If you can't buy a Sky HD box for the same £150, then you're just not trying. :) -- |
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somewhat ironicaly the
"Ed" wrote in message Looks like 'Freesat from Sky' has now become 'Sky Pay Once' http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/edit...ner-skypayonce For £75 you get an SD box installed, and 4 months of Sky's basic package. After that you can cancel and have what is essentially a freesat box, snip not quite ... no high deifinition for starters and no pvr either somewhat ironicaly the very same dixons website is showing the following ad for freesat which you will see tells you to focus on HD.. quite rightly so... seeing as you doint want to be stuck with a picture on sky which some folk are saying is actually worse than PAL whilst all those around you are enjoying all the joys of HD now would you? have fun jb |
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"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... jb wrote: : selling their sky HD box on their website for 399 when comet et al are : knocking out an argually even better Humax one for 149.. isnt going to : exactly help attract in cash strapped hard working families is it.. But this is a pretty ridiculous comparison! Noone pays £399 for SkyHD! Why would you want a one unless you had Sky TV (any level at all - £16/month and up)?? hang on £399 is a) the price quoted on skys current website and b) the cheap price.. because if you take the subscription route which you suggest then over a period of even just 12 months the subscription charges amount to well over £399 by my reconing ive just taken an glance at their HD subscription packages and even the 'cheap' ones without phone or broadband are very roughly a staggering fifty quid or so a month.. i can hardly beieve how dear their packages im a millionaire and even i couldnt affords that !! cheers jb *With* Sky TV the SkyHd box is comparable to the (not even out!) Humax PVR (reputed to be going to cost £299). |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
"jb" wrote in message ... somewhat ironicaly the "Ed" wrote in message Looks like 'Freesat from Sky' has now become 'Sky Pay Once' http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/edit...ner-skypayonce For £75 you get an SD box installed, and 4 months of Sky's basic package. After that you can cancel and have what is essentially a freesat box, snip not quite ... no high deifinition for starters and no pvr either somewhat ironicaly the very same dixons website is showing the following ad for freesat which you will see tells you to focus on HD.. quite rightly so... seeing as you doint want to be stuck with a picture on sky which some folk are saying is actually worse than PAL whilst all those around you are enjoying all the joys of HD now would you? have fun jb Getting a SKY HD box and letting it scale SD broadcasts may be the very solution someone needs to get decent SD on a HD TV. The extra clarity of a HD set allows you to see poor broadcasts for what they are. Footy on BBC/ITV is incredidbly bad, but SKY show how good it can be even on SD broadcasts. |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
In uk.media.tv.sky jb wrote:
: for freesat which you will see tells you to focus on HD.. quite rightly : so... seeing as you doint want to be stuck with a picture on sky which some : folk are saying is actually worse than PAL whilst all those around you are : enjoying all the joys of HD now would you? If you find a channel on Sky which is "worse than PAL" it will be a non-Sky one tranmitting in SD - and will appear at *exactly* the same quality on Freesat! If you want HD on Freesat there is one part time BBC channel, one mythical ITV one which is likely to transmit a couple of hours a day (max!) and no others (yet!). Compare that to Sky's current 16 HD channels - going to 30 by end of 2009 (which which time Freesat may have 5) |
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im a millionaire and even i couldnt affords that !! cheers Lend us a quid? |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
jb wrote:
: : Noone pays ?399 for SkyHD! Why would you want a one unless you had Sky TV : (any level at all - ?16/month and up)?? : hang on ?399 is a) the price quoted on skys current website and b) the : cheap price.. because if you take the subscription route which you suggest You are not reading what I said! The SkyHD STB is no longer attractive to non-Sky subscribers as it won't do its PVR functionality without an extra payment. Yes they *will* sell it to you for £399 - but why would you want it when you could buy it from eBay from between £150 and £250! : ive just taken an glance at their HD subscription packages and even the : 'cheap' ones without phone or broadband are very roughly a staggering fifty : quid or so a month.. i can hardly beieve how dear their packages im a : millionaire and even i couldnt affords that !! You are not reading it correctly then! I pay £34/month which includes 4-Mix Sky (£19), £10 HD charges for an *extra* 9 HD channels which will never be on Freesat and £5 for 8-Meg Broadband. I get the PVR (Sky+) features of the SkyHD box thrown in. The £10 for extra HD channels is optional - for the last year I just had BBCHD, C4HD (and Luxe TV) |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 09:52:06 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky jb wrote: : for freesat which you will see tells you to focus on HD.. quite rightly : so... seeing as you doint want to be stuck with a picture on sky which some : folk are saying is actually worse than PAL whilst all those around you are : enjoying all the joys of HD now would you? If you find a channel on Sky which is "worse than PAL" it will be a non-Sky one tranmitting in SD - and will appear at *exactly* the same quality on Freesat! If you want HD on Freesat there is one part time BBC channel, one mythical ITV one which is likely to transmit a couple of hours a day (max!) and no others (yet!). Compare that to Sky's current 16 HD channels - going to 30 by end of 2009 (which which time Freesat may have 5) For which you pay 55 pounds per month. -- Cheers Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote:
jb wrote: : : Noone pays ?399 for SkyHD! Why would you want a one unless you had Sky TV : (any level at all - ?16/month and up)?? : hang on ?399 is a) the price quoted on skys current website and b) the : cheap price.. because if you take the subscription route which you suggest You are not reading what I said! The SkyHD STB is no longer attractive to non-Sky subscribers as it won't do its PVR functionality without an extra payment. Yes they *will* sell it to you for £399 - but why would you want it when you could buy it from eBay from between £150 and £250! : ive just taken an glance at their HD subscription packages and even the : 'cheap' ones without phone or broadband are very roughly a staggering fifty : quid or so a month.. i can hardly beieve how dear their packages im a : millionaire and even i couldnt affords that !! You are not reading it correctly then! I pay £34/month which includes 4-Mix Sky (£19), £10 HD charges for an *extra* 9 HD channels which will never be on Freesat and £5 for 8-Meg Broadband. I get the PVR (Sky+) features of the SkyHD box thrown in. The £10 for extra HD channels is optional - for the last year I just had BBCHD, C4HD (and Luxe TV) The price for all 16 HD channels is 55 pounds per month (6 Entertainment Mixes, Sports & Movie Mix + HD subscription) -- Cheers Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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In uk.media.tv.sky Nigel Barker wrote:
: For which you pay 55 pounds per month. That's being pedantic! Yes, for the *whole* 30 you will pay £55 (more if you want to split hairs further as some are SBO PPV ones!). I don't pay £55 as I don't have movies or sports! |
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Nigel Barker wrote:
: The price for all 16 HD channels is 55 pounds per month (6 Entertainment : Mixes, Sports & Movie Mix HD subscription) And you point is exactly ????? Like most things in life it isn't a "take the whole thing or nothing at all" choice! It's rather stupid choosing the maximum and then saying "that's what it costs!" |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
"Nigel Barker" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 May 2008 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote: jb wrote: : : Noone pays ?399 for SkyHD! Why would you want a one unless you had Sky TV : (any level at all - ?16/month and up)?? : hang on ?399 is a) the price quoted on skys current website and b) the : cheap price.. because if you take the subscription route which you suggest You are not reading what I said! The SkyHD STB is no longer attractive to non-Sky subscribers as it won't do its PVR functionality without an extra payment. Yes they *will* sell it to you for £399 - but why would you want it when you could buy it from eBay from between £150 and £250! : ive just taken an glance at their HD subscription packages and even the : 'cheap' ones without phone or broadband are very roughly a staggering fifty : quid or so a month.. i can hardly beieve how dear their packages im a : millionaire and even i couldnt affords that !! You are not reading it correctly then! I pay £34/month which includes 4-Mix Sky (£19), £10 HD charges for an *extra* 9 HD channels which will never be on Freesat and £5 for 8-Meg Broadband. I get the PVR (Sky+) features of the SkyHD box thrown in. The £10 for extra HD channels is optional - for the last year I just had BBCHD, C4HD (and Luxe TV) The price for all 16 HD channels is 55 pounds per month (6 Entertainment Mixes, Sports & Movie Mix + HD subscription) -- Are you implying those channels would cost nothing from SKY in SD? The fact is there is no such thing as a free lunch. The BBC has to fund it's sat services form some where. Some pundits are asking where that money is coming from, and if it's fair to the majoity of BBC users for the Licence Fee to be used to fund them. |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 01:20:19 +0100, "jb" wrote:
ive just taken an glance at their HD subscription packages and even the 'cheap' ones without phone or broadband are very roughly a staggering fifty quid or so a month.. i can hardly beieve how dear their packages im a millionaire and even i couldnt affords that !! All subscription packages INCLUDE phone and broadband, so I'm not sure what you're looking at. Sky subscription packges including HD, PVR, phone and broadband start at at £26 per month. That's if you want to pay - if not, there's a perfectly good free service too. -- |
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Nigel Barker wrote:
: : Sky subscription packges including HD, PVR, phone and broadband start : at at £26 per month. : According to Sky's web site the minimum monthly TV viewing cost for HD is : 1 Entertainment Mix (16 pounds) + HD subscription = 26 pounds per month. : No phone no broadband. The maximum is 55 pounds per : month. The phone and broadband (in an LLU area for broadband and for the 2Mb entry level) are zero cost extras. So £26/month for HD, 1Mix, PVR, phone and broadband is not incorrect! |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:50:50 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote:
Nigel Barker wrote: : : Sky subscription packges including HD, PVR, phone and broadband start : at at £26 per month. : According to Sky's web site the minimum monthly TV viewing cost for HD is : 1 Entertainment Mix (16 pounds) + HD subscription = 26 pounds per month. : No phone no broadband. The maximum is 55 pounds per : month. The phone and broadband (in an LLU area for broadband and for the 2Mb entry level) are zero cost extras. So £26/month for HD, 1Mix, PVR, phone and broadband is not incorrect! Not incorrect but a little deceptive not to mention that it's not available to all subscribers e.g. the estimated 750,000-1,000,000 Expats and others using Sky outside the UK & RoI:-) -- Cheers Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:50:50 +0000 (UTC), Brian McIlwrath wrote: Nigel Barker wrote: : : Sky subscription packges including HD, PVR, phone and broadband start : at at £26 per month. : According to Sky's web site the minimum monthly TV viewing cost for HD is : 1 Entertainment Mix (16 pounds) + HD subscription = 26 pounds per month. : No phone no broadband. The maximum is 55 pounds per : month. The phone and broadband (in an LLU area for broadband and for the 2Mb entry level) are zero cost extras. So £26/month for HD, 1Mix, PVR, phone and broadband is not incorrect! Not incorrect but a little deceptive not to mention that it's not available to all subscribers e.g. the estimated 750,000-1,000,000 Expats and others using Sky outside the UK & RoI:-) Who it turns out are breaking the Law. SKY can't argue people shouldn't "import" foreign Sat systems into the UK if they do the same in other countries. SKY have a "licence" to supply subscription Sat TV to the UK and ROI only. Those wanting Sat TV in Spain should either go FTA or use the Spanish equivelent of SKY, which won't have many British channels at all. |
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In article , jb
writes "Krustov" wrote in message om... uk.media.tv.sky jb Wed, 07 May 2008 12:04:48 GMT What will Sky do to keep its hundreds of pounds a year - nine million customer base - continuing to cough up loads of money for stuff the BBC and ITV are now giving away completely free! baffles me : ) (how Sky will respond - not which one folk will prefer!) Sky will do nothing different . just my humble opinion and one i appreciate you might find odd but i honestly think sky will 'quite quickly' die if they do nothing different For all people have needed to do in the past was to phone sky and cancel their subscription to have (in effect) a freesat box and channels . alas with no ITV HD! Well, as most of the stuff on ITV is complete and utter ****e, with very few exceptions, IMO, I really can't see it being much of a problem :-) indeed no free HD at all if they cancel! - or am i wrong - perhaqpse a quite rediculously priced Sky HD box is still avaiable - at 399? There are several FTA HD channels, inc BBC HD available without paying any extra subscription. -- Sean Black |
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In article , jb
writes "Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:30:36 GMT, "jb" wrote: alas with no ITV HD! The non-existent ITV HD! good things come to all who wait : ) indeed no free HD at all if they cancel! - or am i wrong Yes, you are. You don't need any Sky subscription to watch BBC HD, Channel 4 HD and other free-to-air HD channels on a Sky HD box. yes indeed... but my point was how much is a sky HD box for a 'freesat for sky' viewer please forgive me if im wrong but i had the impression that official HD boxes for non subscribers are an astronomical 399 - when compared to the the freesat for bbc boxes selling in comet now for 149 .... Only if you buy from Sky, I've heard that they can be had for significantly less elsewhere (notably eBay). -- Sean Black |
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In article , jb
writes the satellite tv world changed irevocably on 6th may 2008 skys virtual monopoly of uk satellite tv ended for good.... and a breath of fresh air is gradually sweeping through tired old sky salesrooms up and down the country What "virtual monopoly" would that be then? Is there something standing in the way of any other organisation spending however many millions (billions?) of pounds necessary to set up there own satellite broadcasting system then? -- Sean Black |
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"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , jb writes the satellite tv world changed irevocably on 6th may 2008 skys virtual monopoly of uk satellite tv ended for good.... and a breath of fresh air is gradually sweeping through tired old sky salesrooms up and down the country What "virtual monopoly" would that be then? Is there something standing in the way of any other organisation spending however many millions (billions?) of pounds necessary to set up there own satellite broadcasting system then? SKY don't own any Sats. They can't control who the owners of those sats hire out transponders to. The only monopoly SKY have is the supply of subcription Sat services in the UK and ROI. Freesat is just a rebranding excercise for UK SAT FTA. The basic elements already exist and arn't much different from SKY's Freesat service. None of the channels will end up hiring any more tranponders than they do now once the encryption contracts with SKY end. |
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In article , Brian McIlwrath
wrote: Sky-HD STBs are more similar to the (not yet released!!) Freesat PVR - in features (and price!) Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled. And without having to licence the Sky EPG it will be cheaper too. Tennant Stuart -- ____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR |
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Brian McIlwrath wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky Nigel Barker wrote: : For which you pay 55 pounds per month. That's being pedantic! Yes, for the *whole* 30 you will pay £55 (more if you want to split hairs further as some are SBO PPV ones!). I don't pay £55 as I don't have movies or sports! So ... based on the info on the sky website: For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions. For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless) Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available). Seems like a no-brainer to me. -- PeeGee The reply address is a spam trap. All mail is reported as spam. "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able to be removed from a computer easily." Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05) |
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In uk.media.tv.sky Tennant Stuart wrote:
: Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled. Is that announced? : And without having to licence the Sky EPG it will be cheaper too. I think that there is a similar lience to use the Freesat EPG as well. It certainly is *NOT* available without signing up to some pretty stringent conditions!!! |
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In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote:
: For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a : single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions. Why do people keep mentioning this £399 - when no-one in the right minds would pay this!!!! It is offered *far* cheaper with a Sky subscription and, without one, it is also available for a lot less elsewhere. : For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year : for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year : thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless) : Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available). : Seems like a no-brainer to me. OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National Geographic etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you! Buy the Humax PVR for £299 instead! It suits some people just fine! |
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"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message ... In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote: : For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a : single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions. Why do people keep mentioning this £399 - when no-one in the right minds would pay this!!!! It is offered *far* cheaper with a Sky subscription and, without one, it is also available for a lot less elsewhere. : For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year : for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year : thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless) : Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available). : Seems like a no-brainer to me. OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National Geographic etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you! Buy the Humax PVR for £299 instead! It suits some people just fine! someone who i think said something like 'trust me i know' if my memory serves me right was saying only the other day that the Humax High Definition hard disk PVR box might be as low as 180quid.. surely very good if true i guess we wont realy know untill it hits the shops in about six weeks or so when it is being discussed as likely to be avaiable. i would also like to say that whilst we would all like to dream about freesat being launched this week litterally bristling with new high definition channels.. then we awake. However, in reality the realistic likellyhood /inevitability of 'lots' of free fressat (from the bbc/itv) HD channels in the comming months and years beacons a new golden era in satellite home netertainment for us all.. enve these most fervent sky customers will be offered the choice of competittively priced broad range and widely available equipment offering enormous variety of content rich entertainment..which will entirely without subscription and free to view by all. anyone who wants even more specialist and diverse viewing knows where to go! what actually amazes me is how the vast majority of ordinary folk with all the various chores, duties, responsibilities and content rich lives actually need more than the literally hundreds of existing news, music, film, standard freeview equivalent entertainment, public service and not totally insignifficant minority interest channels freely avaiable.. i guess some folks can never have too much of a good thing.. whether or not they've actually got a life is yet another... have fun jb |
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Brian McIlwrath wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote: : For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a : single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions. Why do people keep mentioning this £399 - when no-one in the right minds would pay this!!!! It is offered *far* cheaper with a Sky subscription and, without one, it is also available for a lot less elsewhere. : For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year : for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year : thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless) : Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available). : Seems like a no-brainer to me. OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National Geographic etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you! I was being as selective as you (specifying "Sky" channels, which excludes the "knowledge" mix) - but I'm still not convinced that £312 is worth paying, even for the channels you mention. Buy the Humax PVR for £299 instead! That would be a total waste of money - at least until 2012, assuming they remember to equalise Hannington *and* the signal strength is adequate when that date arrives. It suits some people just fine! -- PeeGee The reply address is a spam trap. All mail is reported as spam. "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able to be removed from a computer easily." Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05) |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
In uk.media.tv.sky jb wrote:
: someone who i think said something like 'trust me i know' if my memory : serves me right was saying only the other day that the Humax High : Definition hard disk PVR box might be as low as 180quid.. surely very good : if true This £180 was a rumour from a long time back and has been very widely discounted! The current favourite "guess" is £249 - but £299 is also floating around (and would seem to me more likely!) |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote:
: : OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National : Geographic etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you! : I was being as selective as you (specifying "Sky" channels, which : excludes the "knowledge" mix) - but I'm still not convinced that £312 is : worth paying, even for the channels you mention. You actually *cannot* do that! Paying the £10 Sky_HD pfee gets you *ALL* the non-premium HD channels - irrespective of Mix selection. If someone has only 1-Mix at £16 (Variety say) they will get DiiscoveryHD, Sky ArtsHD etc. - even though they do not subscribe to those Mixes! : Buy the Humax PVR for : £299 instead! : That would be a total waste of money - at least until 2012, assuming : they remember to equalise Hannington *and* the signal strength is : adequate when that date arrives. I meant the upcoming Freesat PVR! |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
"jb" wrote in message
... What will Sky do to keep its hundreds of pounds a year - nine million customer base - continuing to cough up loads of money for stuff the BBC and ITV are now giving away completely free! I give them a couple of months tops to finally provide a "last channel watched" button and everything else their customers ask for. Shak |
How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:06:00 BST, Tennant Stuart
wrote: Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled. Impossible. The receivers are recording the exact same bitstreams so they'll take up the exact same amount of space. -- |
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