How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:34:21 GMT,
(Zero Tolerance) wrote:

On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:06:00 BST, Tennant Stuart
wrote:

Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

Impossible. The receivers are recording the exact same bitstreams so
they'll take up the exact same amount of space.

It's probably a reference to the fact that for the 160GB Sky+ PVR &
300GB Sky HD PVR half of the drive capacity is reserved for Sky use
& thus unavailable for a user's recordings.

Thankyou Nigel, at last a knowledgeable reply! :)


Tennant

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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

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"Brian W" wrote in message
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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:34:21 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:06:00 BST, Tennant Stuart
wrote:

Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

Impossible. The receivers are recording the exact same bitstreams so
they'll take up the exact same amount of space.

It's probably a reference to the fact that for the 160GB Sky+ PVR &
300GB Sky HD PVR half of the drive capacity is reserved for Sky use
& thus unavailable for a user's recordings.

They shouldn't be allowed to do this IMO, if the user disables Anytime
function the disk space should be freed up for own use.

Sky is "the user".

The customer is merely the mug who pays them.

Exactly. Sky is the number one reason for getting Freesat.


Tennant Stuart

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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

In article ,
Brian McIlwrath wrote:

In uk.media.tv.sky Tennant Stuart wrote:

Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

Is that announced?

Doesn't have to be; you'll get 100% instead of the 50% under Sky.


And without having to licence the Sky EPG it will be cheaper too.

I think that there is a similar lience to use the Freesat EPG as well. It
certainly is *NOT* available without signing up to some pretty stringent
conditions!!!

Not denying that, it's still cheaper.


Tennant

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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message
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In article , "Light of Aria"
wrote:

"Brian W" wrote in message
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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:34:21 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:06:00 BST, Tennant Stuart
wrote:

Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

Impossible. The receivers are recording the exact same bitstreams so
they'll take up the exact same amount of space.

It's probably a reference to the fact that for the 160GB Sky+ PVR &
300GB Sky HD PVR half of the drive capacity is reserved for Sky use
& thus unavailable for a user's recordings.

They shouldn't be allowed to do this IMO, if the user disables Anytime
function the disk space should be freed up for own use.

Sky is "the user".

The customer is merely the mug who pays them.

Exactly. Sky is the number one reason for getting Freesat.

What's the fixation with having satellite, but not the option to have
subscription services? Content is King. The main channels are now drivel how
ever they are delivered. Those paying for SKY do so because the like what
they get. The BBC are given a huge subsidy to deliver what they think we
want. We can't say we don't want it by not getting the licence fee. In fact
we need the licence even if most of programs we might watch are not from the
BBC, but SKY.

How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

In article ,
(Zero Tolerance) wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:30:21 +0200, Nigel Barker
wrote:

It's probably a reference to the fact that for the 160GB Sky+ PVR &
300GB Sky HD PVR half of the drive capacity is reserved for Sky use
& thus unavailable for a user's recordings.

Well that's just silly - no Sky box is marketed on Gb capacity, only
ever on storage time. The regular Sky+ box is 40 hours (80gb), the
Sky+HD is 80 hours SD/20 hours HD (160gb). If Sky choose to put extra
disc space into the boxes for their own use then that's up to them,
but that's not advertised or sold as "your" disc space so there should
be no expectation of being able to use it.

No, it's you who is being silly. When the whole drive can be used for
your own recordings, instead of just half, the capacity is doubled.


Tennant Stuart

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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

In article ,
"John Russell" wrote:

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message
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In article , "Light of Aria"
wrote:

Sky is "the user".

The customer is merely the mug who pays them.

Exactly. Sky is the number one reason for getting Freesat.

What's the fixation with having satellite, but not the option to
have subscription services? Content is King.

No it isn't. It's about having nothing to do with Murdoch.


Tennant

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)( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours
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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

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No it isn't. It's about having nothing to do with Murdoch.

Why? Has he harmed you in some way?

Ian

How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:05:00 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

In article ,
(Zero Tolerance) wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:30:21 +0200, Nigel Barker
wrote:

It's probably a reference to the fact that for the 160GB Sky+ PVR &
300GB Sky HD PVR half of the drive capacity is reserved for Sky use
& thus unavailable for a user's recordings.

Well that's just silly - no Sky box is marketed on Gb capacity, only
ever on storage time. The regular Sky+ box is 40 hours (80gb), the
Sky+HD is 80 hours SD/20 hours HD (160gb). If Sky choose to put extra
disc space into the boxes for their own use then that's up to them,
but that's not advertised or sold as "your" disc space so there should
be no expectation of being able to use it.

No, it's you who is being silly. When the whole drive can be used for
your own recordings, instead of just half, the capacity is doubled.


Tennant Stuart

On Sky+ digiboxes if you don't subscribe then none of the disk is available to you.
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Nigel Barker
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How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message
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In article ,
"John Russell" wrote:

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message
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In article , "Light of Aria"
wrote:

Sky is "the user".

The customer is merely the mug who pays them.

Exactly. Sky is the number one reason for getting Freesat.

What's the fixation with having satellite, but not the option to
have subscription services? Content is King.

No it isn't. It's about having nothing to do with Murdoch.

Sat is just a means of delivery. Why should anyone happy with Freeview
upgrade to Freesat? Those with SKY didn't get it because of the technology
but because of the content. The only reason to get Freesat is if you don't
want subscription TV and can't get Freeview. The idea of getting it to shaft
SKY won't cross the mind of many people.

How Will Sky Respond to Freesat
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:43:15 +0100, "John Russell" wrote:


"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message
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In article ,
"John Russell" wrote:

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message
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In article , "Light of Aria"
wrote:

Sky is "the user".

The customer is merely the mug who pays them.

Exactly. Sky is the number one reason for getting Freesat.

What's the fixation with having satellite, but not the option to
have subscription services? Content is King.

No it isn't. It's about having nothing to do with Murdoch.

Sat is just a means of delivery. Why should anyone happy with Freeview
upgrade to Freesat? Those with SKY didn't get it because of the technology
but because of the content. The only reason to get Freesat is if you don't
want subscription TV and can't get Freeview. The idea of getting it to shaft
SKY won't cross the mind of many people.

Support for High Definition TV is a big plus for Freesat over Freeview. You cannot record any
channels using a Sky digibox without paying a subscription so when the Freesat PVRs are available
there will be another big advantage for Freesat.
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Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur