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gecko[_3_] April 28th 08 01:55 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
Assuming that I can even do such a thing, what would be the easiest
way for me to do it? What will I need?

I have in mind creating a separate computer setup near one of my
analog TVs to serve only to feed movie and TV clips and shows to that
TV. I plan to use HULU at http://www.hulu.com

I have a spare AGP video card ( VISIONTEK RADEON 9250) and a spare
scrap computer that has AGP. The card has VGA and what I think is DVI
outputs. I have read that one can buy DVI to HDMI adapters, so I
could buy a cheap HDTV and use such an adapter I guess. But I am
curious if I can go with my analog TV.

Can someone help this novice?

-GECKO

Tim April 28th 08 03:46 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
gecko wrote:
Assuming that I can even do such a thing, what would be the easiest
way for me to do it? What will I need?

I have in mind creating a separate computer setup near one of my
analog TVs to serve only to feed movie and TV clips and shows to that
TV. I plan to use HULU at http://www.hulu.com

I have a spare AGP video card ( VISIONTEK RADEON 9250) and a spare
scrap computer that has AGP. The card has VGA and what I think is DVI
outputs. I have read that one can buy DVI to HDMI adapters, so I
could buy a cheap HDTV and use such an adapter I guess. But I am
curious if I can go with my analog TV.

Can someone help this novice?

-GECKO


You may be able to use an s-video connection, depending on the TV and
video card. That is what I did.

Jer April 28th 08 04:05 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
gecko wrote:
Assuming that I can even do such a thing, what would be the easiest
way for me to do it? What will I need?

I have in mind creating a separate computer setup near one of my
analog TVs to serve only to feed movie and TV clips and shows to that
TV. I plan to use HULU at http://www.hulu.com

I have a spare AGP video card ( VISIONTEK RADEON 9250) and a spare
scrap computer that has AGP. The card has VGA and what I think is DVI
outputs. I have read that one can buy DVI to HDMI adapters, so I
could buy a cheap HDTV and use such an adapter I guess. But I am
curious if I can go with my analog TV.

Can someone help this novice?

-GECKO



Stage call for Wes! Where's Wes??

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gecko[_3_] April 28th 08 04:55 PM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:05:29 -0500, Jer wrote:

Stage call for Wes! Where's Wes??



????

-GECKO

Agent_C April 28th 08 05:56 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:13 GMT, gecko wrote:

Can someone help this novice?


Go over to ecost.com and get yourself a referb Westinghouse with a VGA
input. Anything you do with HDMI and a computer is potentially *very*
problematic.

A_C



Wes Newell April 28th 08 07:15 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:13 +0000, gecko wrote:

Assuming that I can even do such a thing, what would be the easiest way
for me to do it? What will I need?

I have in mind creating a separate computer setup near one of my analog
TVs to serve only to feed movie and TV clips and shows to that TV. I
plan to use HULU at http://www.hulu.com

I have a spare AGP video card ( VISIONTEK RADEON 9250) and a spare

scrap
computer that has AGP. The card has VGA and what I think is DVI
outputs. I have read that one can buy DVI to HDMI adapters, so I could
buy a cheap HDTV and use such an adapter I guess. But I am curious if I
can go with my analog TV.

Can someone help this novice?

You just need to match the card output to one of the Tv inputs. If both
have vga, you can use that. If both have S-Video, you can use that. If
both have composite, you can use that. If both have component, you can use
that. If both have DVI or HDMI, you can use that. Most video cards (except
real cheap ones) have some form of analog output. S-Video and/or composite
is the most common I think. You will also need a mini plug to RCA
connector sound cable.

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[email protected] April 28th 08 07:29 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
Agent_C wrote:

Go over to ecost.com and get yourself a referb Westinghouse with a VGA
input. Anything you do with HDMI and a computer is potentially *very*
problematic.


really?


so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?

pj April 28th 08 07:44 PM

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Wes Newell wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:13 +0000, gecko wrote:

Assuming that I can even do such a thing, what would be the easiest way
for me to do it? What will I need?

I have in mind creating a separate computer setup near one of my analog
TVs to serve only to feed movie and TV clips and shows to that TV. I
plan to use HULU at http://www.hulu.com

I have a spare AGP video card ( VISIONTEK RADEON 9250) and a spare

scrap
computer that has AGP. The card has VGA and what I think is DVI
outputs. I have read that one can buy DVI to HDMI adapters, so I could
buy a cheap HDTV and use such an adapter I guess. But I am curious if I
can go with my analog TV.

Can someone help this novice?

You just need to match the card output to one of the Tv inputs. If both
have vga, you can use that. If both have S-Video, you can use that. If
both have composite, you can use that. If both have component, you can use
that. If both have DVI or HDMI, you can use that. Most video cards (except
real cheap ones) have some form of analog output. S-Video and/or composite
is the most common I think. You will also need a mini plug to RCA
connector sound cable.

Most HDTV's have a limited choice of refresh
rates for vga or S-Video connections...check the
manual.

If not specified, try 60Hz.

Radio Shack has a couple of a mini-plug to dual
RCA sockets. One is stereo -- buy that one.
--
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Agent_C April 28th 08 08:27 PM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500, wrote:

really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?


As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
tricked out to do HD on a computer.

For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
onboard Intel graphics.

A_C

[email protected] April 28th 08 08:50 PM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:44:19 -0700 pj wrote:

| Most HDTV's have a limited choice of refresh
| rates for vga or S-Video connections...check the
| manual.

While I don't dispute what you say, I do point out that such a limitation in
an HDTV at least reflects bad engineering for the VGA port. The S-Video port
is NTSC based and as such is very timing and frequency dependent. But the
VGA port represents video that could be as diverse, if not more so, than the
analog component inputs, or a digital input (e.g. DVI or HDMI or ATSC). Since
HDTV video sources can range in frame rate (vertical frequency) from 23.976
to 60, why would the VGA input do any less? Whatever an HDTV display can do
with a p24 video, it should be able to do it on any of the inputs over which
such a signal could arrive. If it is capable of updating the LCD grid at the
actual video frame rate, then why not do so with all inputs? If it is capable
of doing frame pullup to convert a lower frame rate, then why not do so with
all inputs?

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G-squared April 28th 08 10:02 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
On Apr 28, 10:29*am, wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
Go over to ecost.com and get yourself a referb Westinghouse with a

VGA
input. Anything you do with HDMI and a computer is potentially

*very*
problematic.


really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?


Potentially less _troublesome_. Video performance of DVI is the same
as HDMI but does not suport Digital Rights Management so is not
trouble ( but no audio in DVI ) at all but I'm having bad feelings
about getting a BluRay drive for the PC.

I was experimenting a little this week comparing VGA to DVI into a
Samsung DLP set. The DVI is a 1:1 pixel relationship so the Windows
desktop shows text that is absolutely clear with no 'rounding'
errors.

The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots across the screen
of only vertical lines because the computer and monitor are not at the
same pixel rate. Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
avoided.

GG

gecko[_3_] April 28th 08 10:43 PM

Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 
I see where adapters exist galore to take PC VGA outputs to TV RCA
inputs. But I also see a warning that the video card involved must
have TV Output function built into VGA port. Anyone know if my RADEON
9250 AGP card has that? I have lost the manual.

I also have a RADEON 7000 series AGP video card. Same question.

Thanks

-GECKO

[email protected] April 28th 08 11:08 PM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) G-squared wrote:

| The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots across the screen
| of only vertical lines because the computer and monitor are not at the
| same pixel rate. Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
| avoided.

An LCD monitor intended for computer use generally has a clock rate adjustment
that allows you to adjust it so the sampling coincides with the pixel clock of
the video graphics card. Then there is a phase adjustment to be sure the
point of sampling is in the middle of a pixel instead of near between pixels
(which can make the picture more fuzzy or more noisy or both). It then
remembers this setting separate for each different line rate and/or line count
it detects (in the better monitors).

TVs with VGA inputs don't seem to do this as well. If you can use the HDMI
input with a DVI to HDMI cable from a DVI capable video graphics card, that
eliminates the pixel syncronization issues.

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[email protected] April 28th 08 11:12 PM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:43:17 GMT gecko wrote:

| I see where adapters exist galore to take PC VGA outputs to TV RCA
| inputs. But I also see a warning that the video card involved must
| have TV Output function built into VGA port. Anyone know if my RADEON
| 9250 AGP card has that? I have lost the manual.

That kind of "TV output" is most likely RS-170 timing (e.g. NTSC-like but
RGB component instead of having a subcarrier for chroma). If you want to
get full 1366x768 or 1920x1080 resolution, the "TV output" may not be what
you really want.

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Wes Newell April 29th 08 12:08 AM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:43:17 +0000, gecko wrote:

I see where adapters exist galore to take PC VGA outputs to TV RCA
inputs. But I also see a warning that the video card involved must have
TV Output function built into VGA port. Anyone know if my RADEON 9250
AGP card has that? I have lost the manual.

Download it or just look at the card. It's not hard to see what
connections it has. Don't use the VGA connector unless your TV has a vga
input. The Visiontek xtasy 9250 has vga, DVI, and analog outputs (either
composite or S-video)

I also have a RADEON 7000 series AGP video card. Same question.

Same answer as before. Look at it. My guess would be that both cards have
analog out.

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Arny Krueger April 29th 08 12:18 AM

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"G-squared" wrote in message

On Apr 28, 10:29 am, wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
Go over to ecost.com and get yourself a referb

Westinghouse with a VGA
input. Anything you do with HDMI and a computer is

potentially *very*
problematic.


really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?


Potentially less _troublesome_. Video performance of DVI
is the same as HDMI


Agreed. DVI's digital facility can be thought of as HDMI on a different
connector. DVI also has an analog facility, but it there more for backwards
compatibility.

but does not suport Digital Rights Management


HDCP is a technology that is widely used for digital rights management. Both
DVI-HDCP and HDMI-HDCP are supported.

so is not trouble ( but no audio in DVI )


DVI's digital interface supports both sound and video on digital streams.

at all but I'm having bad feelings about getting a BluRay
drive for the PC.


Been there, done that. The video cards that the BluRay PC software supports
implement HDCP over DVI or HDMI.

I was experimenting a little this week comparing VGA to
DVI into a Samsung DLP set. The DVI is a 1:1 pixel
relationship so the Windows desktop shows text that is
absolutely clear with no 'rounding' errors.


DVI or HDCP are the preferred means for driving a LCD, DLP, or plasma
display.

The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots
across the screen of only vertical lines because the
computer and monitor are not at the same pixel rate.


You give yourself that problem any number of ways.

Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
avoided.


Feeding analog into a display that is basically digital is to be avoided
wherever possible.



G-squared April 29th 08 04:40 AM

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On Apr 28, 2:18*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
snip
] so is not trouble ( but no audio in DVI )

DVI's digital interface supports both sound and video on digital

streams.

Didn't know about audio in DVI

at *all but I'm having bad feelings about getting a BluRay
drive for the PC.


Been there, done that. The video cards that the BluRay PC software

supports
implement HDCP over DVI or HDMI.


My 'problem' is the 4 1/2 year old Samsung DLP. I fear it knows little
to nothing about HDCP so getting a BluRay and then a new computer and
THEN a new TV too.. Well, it all works well now and I don't 'rock the
boat' just for fun. The ATI DVD player really does an outstanding job
with SD DVD so I may just skip it for now.

I was experimenting a little this week comparing VGA to
DVI into a Samsung DLP set. The DVI is a 1:1 pixel
relationship so the Windows desktop shows text that is
absolutely clear with no 'rounding' errors.


DVI or HDCP are the preferred means for driving a LCD, DLP, or

plasma
display.

The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots
across the screen of only vertical lines because the
computer and monitor are not at the same pixel rate.


You give yourself that problem any number of ways.

Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
avoided.


Feeding analog into a display that is basically digital is to be

avoided
wherever possible.


Agreed. The reason I was fiddling with it was a donated 50" Sony LCD
RPTV at work and when I connected one of my PC's to it (had it at work
to give it its annual dust blow out with the compressor), the video
was unusually poor. I could not find a setting on the ATI 9600XT to go
native to the Sony and the Sony does not report back to the PC like
the Samsung does. Basically I was curious to see if I could get the
Samsung to look as bad as the Sony. I can but it's an abnormal run
situation.

GG

Arny Krueger April 29th 08 01:10 PM

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"G-squared" wrote in message

On Apr 28, 2:18 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: snip
] so is not trouble ( but no audio in DVI )

DVI's digital interface supports both sound and video

on digital streams.

Didn't know about audio in DVI


That's because I was wrong about that. You have to add sound to DVI when you
convert it to full-function HDMI. My bad.

at all but I'm having bad feelings about getting a

BluRay drive for the PC.

Been there, done that. The video cards that the BluRay

PC software supports
implement HDCP over DVI or HDMI.


My 'problem' is the 4 1/2 year old Samsung DLP. I fear it
knows little to nothing about HDCP so getting a BluRay
and then a new computer and THEN a new TV too..


There is or at least was a month ago, a HDCP-compliant HDMI receiver that
puts out RGBHV analog.

Well, it all works well now and I don't 'rock the boat' just for
fun. The ATI DVD player really does an outstanding job
with SD DVD so I may just skip it for now.


If you upgrade your HTPC to Blu ray, it will no doubt take a Blu Ray drive
and a video card plus the software which will probably come with the drive.
AFAIK, all of the HDCP-compliant video cards are PCI-E. So, if your HTPC is
AGP, its time for a new motherboard.

I was experimenting a little this week comparing VGA

to DVI into a Samsung DLP set. The DVI is a 1:1 pixel
relationship so the Windows desktop shows text that

is absolutely clear with no 'rounding' errors.

DVI or HDCP are the preferred means for driving a LCD,

DLP, or plasma
display.


The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots
across the screen of only vertical lines because the
computer and monitor are not at the same pixel rate.


You give yourself that problem any number of ways.

Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
avoided.


Feeding analog into a display that is basically digital is to be

avoided
wherever possible.


Agreed. The reason I was fiddling with it was a donated
50" Sony LCD RPTV at work and when I connected one of my
PC's to it (had it at work to give it its annual dust
blow out with the compressor), the video was unusually
poor. I could not find a setting on the ATI 9600XT to go
native to the Sony and the Sony does not report back to
the PC like the Samsung does.


I found the same problem with a 5200 series Nvidia card, and new drivers
added a ton of new modes in the middle. ATI may be competitive - a new
driver might help.





Tim April 29th 08 02:04 PM

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Agent_C wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500, wrote:


really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?



As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
tricked out to do HD on a computer.

For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
onboard Intel graphics.

A_C


DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
Windows has pretty much started up.

[email protected] April 29th 08 05:16 PM

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400 Tim wrote:
| Agent_C wrote:
|
| On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500, wrote:
|
|
|really?
|
|so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?
|
|
| As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
| tricked out to do HD on a computer.
|
| For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
| via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
| onboard Intel graphics.
|
| A_C
|
| DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
| the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
| TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
| Windows has pretty much started up.

Interesting. On my computer, I get to see the system booting up through DVI
just fine, right from the BIOS. Maybe it's because I have Linux installed?
Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the OS even
gets started. Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays correctly?
Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. The only question in my
mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or incompetent
managers. Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.

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G-squared April 29th 08 05:44 PM

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On Apr 29, 8:16*am, wrote:
snip
|
| DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire

booting of
| the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing

on the
| TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur

until
| Windows has pretty much started up.

Interesting. *On my computer, I get to see the system booting up

through DVI
just fine, right from the BIOS. *Maybe it's because I have Linux

installed?
Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the

OS even
gets started. *Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays

correctly?
Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. *The only

question in my
mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or

incompetent
managers. *Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.

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My computer also works fine through the entire boot sequence including
setting BIOS options. It's not Linux related for 2 reasons. 1: No OS
is running yet at boot time and 2: mine works and it's Win XP with no
Linux at all -- though I should get around to changing that.

As fot the BluRay on an older AGP machine, would VLC player or
something like that just ignore HDCP and show the pictures ? Somebody
somewhere must be concocting "BluRay Shrink".

GG

jolt[_2_] April 29th 08 06:31 PM

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"Tim" wrote in message
...
Agent_C wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500, wrote:


really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?



As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
tricked out to do HD on a computer.

For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
onboard Intel graphics. A_C


DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of the
computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
Windows has pretty much started up.


Not seeing the complete boot process is not a universal problem it depends
on the resolutions the set can display via a DVI or HDMI connection.

I have one set that is 720p hooked up via DVI and one 1080p via HDMI and
neither has a problem with showing the entire boot process or entering and
adjusting the bios during boot up.



jolt[_2_] April 29th 08 06:56 PM

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"G-squared" wrote in message
...
On Apr 28, 10:29 am, wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
Go over to ecost.com and get yourself a referb Westinghouse with a

VGA
input. Anything you do with HDMI and a computer is potentially

*very*
problematic.


really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?


Potentially less _troublesome_. Video performance of DVI is the same
as HDMI but does not suport Digital Rights Management so is not
trouble ( but no audio in DVI ) at all but I'm having bad feelings
about getting a BluRay drive for the PC.


HDCP is supported on a DVI connection as long as your video card and drivers
supports it. I play HD DVD and BR via DVI from a computer all the time,
which requires a confrimed HDCP complaint connection to do with Power DVD.


I was experimenting a little this week comparing VGA to DVI into a
Samsung DLP set. The DVI is a 1:1 pixel relationship so the Windows
desktop shows text that is absolutely clear with no 'rounding'
errors.


I have a Samsung DLP and have never used the VGA (game) input as the HDMI
avoides all the A/D conversion, is easier to setup and provides superior
video quality. The only "problem" is overscan which can be adjusted out in
the driver setting. Nvidia's lastest beta drivers work at 1080p with no
overscan adjustment for my setup.



The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots across the screen
of only vertical lines because the computer and monitor are not at the
same pixel rate. Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
avoided.

GG





Arny Krueger April 29th 08 07:07 PM

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"Tim" wrote in message


DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
entire booting of the computer.


That's almost always a motherboard BIOS or video card setup option.

There are different configurations such as two video cards or a video card
or several with two seperate outputs. You can set video card precidence
using the mother board bios when there is more than one video card. You can
set precidence among the various outputs of a video card with more than one
output, using a utility that came with the video card, or via a driver
option that you can access via display properties.





Tim April 29th 08 07:21 PM

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message



DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
entire booting of the computer.



That's almost always a motherboard BIOS or video card setup option.

There are different configurations such as two video cards or a video card
or several with two seperate outputs. You can set video card precidence
using the mother board bios when there is more than one video card. You can
set precidence among the various outputs of a video card with more than one
output, using a utility that came with the video card, or via a driver
option that you can access via display properties.




OK, I'll look into it. I assumed it was something to do with the driver
not being loaded immediately.

Agent_C April 29th 08 07:45 PM

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400, Tim wrote:

DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
the computer.


That's not correct information. I see the entire POST cycle on mine.

A_C



Winfield April 29th 08 08:48 PM

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wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400 Tim wrote:


snip


| DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
| the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
| TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
| Windows has pretty much started up.

Interesting. On my computer, I get to see the system booting up through DVI
just fine, right from the BIOS. Maybe it's because I have Linux installed?
Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the OS even
gets started. Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays correctly?
Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. The only question in my
mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or incompetent
managers. Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.


On my setup, I can only see boot process if HDTV is turned on and viewed
(only)there. Computer monitor remains blank and activates for logon
screen and thereafter.

It may be a function of how the video-card / motherboard chipset is set
up. I have nVidia drivers and hardware. Setup was a bit messy for
computer monitor and TV.

I still get occasional video tearing and noise on computer monitor if
HDTV isn't turned on during bootup.

winfield

Arny Krueger April 29th 08 08:49 PM

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"Agent_C" wrote in message

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400, Tim
wrote:

DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
entire booting of the computer.


That's not correct information. I see the entire POST
cycle on mine.


That's either because you lucked out, or because you set your PC and the
card up *right*. ;-)



pj April 29th 08 09:00 PM

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wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400 Tim wrote:
| Agent_C wrote:
|
| On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500,
wrote:
|
|
|really?
|
|so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?
|
|
| As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
| tricked out to do HD on a computer.
|
| For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
| via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
| onboard Intel graphics.
|
| A_C
|
| DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
| the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
| TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
| Windows has pretty much started up.

Interesting. On my computer, I get to see the system booting up through DVI
just fine, right from the BIOS. Maybe it's because I have Linux installed?
Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the OS even
gets started. Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays correctly?
Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. The only question in my
mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or incompetent
managers. Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.


Not necessarily incompetence, maybe just a
desire to not "frost the cake" with something
that wasn't a "mandatory" requirement.

In other than a road-warrior laptop, I'd opt for
a quicker POST and IPL. I'd not spend money,
code or memory on other than basics like
hardware banner, security cues, BIOS access menu
and error reporting.

That said, it's always nice to have a bios and
video card combo that talks to a projector in a
road-warrior environment. That speeds setup
remarkably.

--
pj

[email protected] April 29th 08 09:52 PM

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:48:44 -0700 Winfield wrote:
| wrote:
| On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400 Tim wrote:
|
| snip
|
|
| | DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
| | the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| | With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
| | TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
| | Windows has pretty much started up.
|
| Interesting. On my computer, I get to see the system booting up through DVI
| just fine, right from the BIOS. Maybe it's because I have Linux installed?
| Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the OS even
| gets started. Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays correctly?
| Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. The only question in my
| mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or incompetent
| managers. Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.
|
| On my setup, I can only see boot process if HDTV is turned on and viewed
| (only)there. Computer monitor remains blank and activates for logon
| screen and thereafter.
|
| It may be a function of how the video-card / motherboard chipset is set
| up. I have nVidia drivers and hardware. Setup was a bit messy for
| computer monitor and TV.

If the card has dual output, one analog and one digital, it may be functionally
a dual-display card, with the BIOS outputting on analog and the graphical driver
outputting on DVI.

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[email protected] April 29th 08 09:54 PM

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:00:29 -0700 pj wrote:
| wrote:
| On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400 Tim wrote:
| | Agent_C wrote:
| |
| | On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500,
wrote:
| |
| |
| |really?
| |
| |so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?
| |
| |
| | As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
| | tricked out to do HD on a computer.
| |
| | For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
| | via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
| | onboard Intel graphics.
| |
| | A_C
| |
| | DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
| | the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| | With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
| | TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
| | Windows has pretty much started up.
|
| Interesting. On my computer, I get to see the system booting up through DVI
| just fine, right from the BIOS. Maybe it's because I have Linux installed?
| Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the OS even
| gets started. Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays correctly?
| Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. The only question in my
| mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or incompetent
| managers. Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.
|
|
| Not necessarily incompetence, maybe just a
| desire to not "frost the cake" with something
| that wasn't a "mandatory" requirement.

Then it's a management problem. I still call it incompetence.


| That said, it's always nice to have a bios and
| video card combo that talks to a projector in a
| road-warrior environment. That speeds setup
| remarkably.

A correct graphics card and a correct video projector should always do that
just fine. When it does't work, let the finger pointing begin.

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[email protected] April 29th 08 10:00 PM

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:49:33 -0400 Arny Krueger wrote:
| "Agent_C" wrote in message
|
| On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400, Tim
| wrote:
|
| DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
| entire booting of the computer.
|
| That's not correct information. I see the entire POST
| cycle on mine.
|
| That's either because you lucked out, or because you set your PC and the
| card up *right*. ;-)

In my case, it worked just fine on a new computer that an hour earlier was
a bunch of parts spread out over the table just unpackaged from their little
boxes from different manufacturers. It was the very first "smoke test" and
the hard drives had no OS (and no "1 bits" for that matter) on them. This
has been done on 3 different video cards. The display at my building desk
is a Phillips brand 19" 1440x900 digital TV. It also brings in WTOV-DT just
fine on a loop antenna sitting next to it.

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[email protected] April 29th 08 10:02 PM

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:56:39 -0400 jolt wrote:

| Potentially less _troublesome_. Video performance of DVI is the same
| as HDMI but does not suport Digital Rights Management so is not
| trouble ( but no audio in DVI ) at all but I'm having bad feelings
| about getting a BluRay drive for the PC.
|
|
| HDCP is supported on a DVI connection as long as your video card and drivers
| supports it. I play HD DVD and BR via DVI from a computer all the time,
| which requires a confrimed HDCP complaint connection to do with Power DVD.

There is no real distinction between DVI and HDMI, except that the latter
includes audio. If HDCP is going to also restrict the audio, then DVI would
be a problem for it since audio in that case generally is a pair of analogs.

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Zombie Elvis May 5th 08 02:30 AM

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:13 GMT, gecko wrote:

Assuming that I can even do such a thing, what would be the easiest
way for me to do it? What will I need?

I have in mind creating a separate computer setup near one of my
analog TVs to serve only to feed movie and TV clips and shows to that
TV. I plan to use HULU at http://www.hulu.com

I have a spare AGP video card ( VISIONTEK RADEON 9250) and a spare
scrap computer that has AGP. The card has VGA and what I think is DVI
outputs. I have read that one can buy DVI to HDMI adapters, so I
could buy a cheap HDTV and use such an adapter I guess. But I am
curious if I can go with my analog TV.

Can someone help this novice?

Having recently done exactly the same thing you want to do with a Mac
Mini and a new Viewsonic,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889107034 I
can say that your best bet and the highest quality option is with a
relatively new LCD HDTV with a VGA input. They are pretty cheap these
days if you stick with something relatively small like a 19" or 22"
set. Connect it as an external monitor for your PC and you'll be fine.
I've also connected a decade-old RCA CRT to a small form-factor PC
with an AGP video card (a Radeon All-in-Wonder 9000), using the
S-Video connection on a TiVo. This is a much more temperamental
connection and your success can vary widely depending on the drivers
which tend to have a confusing interface.
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