Questions on how to connect computer to TV
 

On Apr 29, 8:16*am, wrote:
snip
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| DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire
booting of
| the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing
on the
| TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur
until
| Windows has pretty much started up.

Interesting. *On my computer, I get to see the system booting up
through DVI
just fine, right from the BIOS. *Maybe it's because I have Linux
installed?
Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the
OS even
gets started. *Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays
correctly?
Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. *The only
question in my
mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or
incompetent
managers. *Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.

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My computer also works fine through the entire boot sequence including
setting BIOS options. It's not Linux related for 2 reasons. 1: No OS
is running yet at boot time and 2: mine works and it's Win XP with no
Linux at all -- though I should get around to changing that.

As fot the BluRay on an older AGP machine, would VLC player or
something like that just ignore HDCP and show the pictures ? Somebody
somewhere must be concocting "BluRay Shrink".

GG

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"Tim" wrote in message
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Agent_C wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0500, wrote:


really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?


As a practical matter yes, or a DVI. You don't need anything too
tricked out to do HD on a computer.

For example, I have a budget Dell machine connected to a Sony 46" XBR
via the VGA input. I get full HD resolution (1920 x 1080) via the
onboard Intel graphics. A_C

DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of the
computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
Windows has pretty much started up.

Not seeing the complete boot process is not a universal problem it depends
on the resolutions the set can display via a DVI or HDMI connection.

I have one set that is 720p hooked up via DVI and one 1080p via HDMI and
neither has a problem with showing the entire boot process or entering and
adjusting the bios during boot up.

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"G-squared" wrote in message
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On Apr 28, 10:29 am, wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
Go over to ecost.com and get yourself a referb Westinghouse with a
VGA
input. Anything you do with HDMI and a computer is potentially
*very*
problematic.

really?

so its BEST to use the vga connector on a TV for this?

Potentially less _troublesome_. Video performance of DVI is the same
as HDMI but does not suport Digital Rights Management so is not
trouble ( but no audio in DVI ) at all but I'm having bad feelings
about getting a BluRay drive for the PC.


HDCP is supported on a DVI connection as long as your video card and drivers
supports it. I play HD DVD and BR via DVI from a computer all the time,
which requires a confrimed HDCP complaint connection to do with Power DVD.


I was experimenting a little this week comparing VGA to DVI into a
Samsung DLP set. The DVI is a 1:1 pixel relationship so the Windows
desktop shows text that is absolutely clear with no 'rounding'
errors.


I have a Samsung DLP and have never used the VGA (game) input as the HDMI
avoides all the A/D conversion, is easier to setup and provides superior
video quality. The only "problem" is overscan which can be adjusted out in
the driver setting. Nvidia's lastest beta drivers work at 1080p with no
overscan adjustment for my setup.



The VGA is almost as good but shows some 'fat' spots across the screen
of only vertical lines because the computer and monitor are not at the
same pixel rate. Doing a 'zoom' in the TV blurs it all so it is to be
avoided.

GG

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"Tim" wrote in message


DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
entire booting of the computer.

That's almost always a motherboard BIOS or video card setup option.

There are different configurations such as two video cards or a video card
or several with two seperate outputs. You can set video card precidence
using the mother board bios when there is more than one video card. You can
set precidence among the various outputs of a video card with more than one
output, using a utility that came with the video card, or via a driver
option that you can access via display properties.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message



DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
entire booting of the computer.


That's almost always a motherboard BIOS or video card setup option.

There are different configurations such as two video cards or a video card
or several with two seperate outputs. You can set video card precidence
using the mother board bios when there is more than one video card. You can
set precidence among the various outputs of a video card with more than one
output, using a utility that came with the video card, or via a driver
option that you can access via display properties.




OK, I'll look into it. I assumed it was something to do with the driver
not being loaded immediately.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400, Tim wrote:

DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
the computer.

That's not correct information. I see the entire POST cycle on mine.

A_C

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"Agent_C" wrote in message

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400, Tim
wrote:

DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the
entire booting of the computer.

That's not correct information. I see the entire POST
cycle on mine.

That's either because you lucked out, or because you set your PC and the
card up *right*. ;-)

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:48:44 -0700 Winfield wrote:
| wrote:
| On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:02 -0400 Tim wrote:
|
| snip
|
|
| | DVI is not the best because you don't get to see the entire booting of
| | the computer. This is not a problem unless there is a problem.
| | With DVI, at least under Windows, the image doesn't start showing on the
| | TV until the driver is started, and this doesn't seem to occur until
| | Windows has pretty much started up.
|
| Interesting. On my computer, I get to see the system booting up through DVI
| just fine, right from the BIOS. Maybe it's because I have Linux installed?
| Of course that would make no sense since it's an issue before the OS even
| gets started. Maybe a bad TV that can't do computer displays correctly?
| Not only is this plausible, it is known to exist. The only question in my
| mind is whether that is a problem due to incompetent engineers or incompetent
| managers. Unfortunately, both are in great abundance.
|
| On my setup, I can only see boot process if HDTV is turned on and viewed
| (only)there. Computer monitor remains blank and activates for logon
| screen and thereafter.
|
| It may be a function of how the video-card / motherboard chipset is set
| up. I have nVidia drivers and hardware. Setup was a bit messy for
| computer monitor and TV.

If the card has dual output, one analog and one digital, it may be functionally
a dual-display card, with the BIOS outputting on analog and the graphical driver
outputting on DVI.

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