TV and built in Freesat?
 

I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for TVs with
built in Freesat?

Peter Crosland

TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
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I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for TVs with
built in Freesat?


Is it allowed by EU, Sky can't do it.

How long terrestrial digital and Freeview been going, shops have just got to
stage where this is becoming normal.

Your idea good but do not think it will happen soon or in great numbers.

--
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David

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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
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I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for TVs with
built in Freesat?

Peter Crosland




Hi Peter,

I believe that Panasonic will be bringing out a new model with built-in
Freesat receiver this July. Take a look at www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums click
on "satellite" and then "Freesat" for all info about Freesat (including
links to screen-shots taken yesterday). Freesat doesn't officially launch
until 6th May, but when it does, EVERYONE will know about it!

Chris (Walsall).

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Rather than built in anything, I've heard many manufacturers are getting so
****ed of with moving goalposts in the standards dept, there will be a rash
of what are basically monitors coming out with matching under set boxes for
whatever the standard is at the time.
After all if the hi def leaks are correct, the whole terrestrial system is
going to be a mess, and as sat is still only a test and remembering all the
false launches of terrestrial, I can sympathise with the manufacturers of
integrated tvs.
People just do not go out and buy new tvs all the time.
Brian

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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
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I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for TVs with
built in Freesat?

Peter Crosland

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Chris wrote:
"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
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I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for
TVs with built in Freesat?

Peter Crosland




Hi Peter,

I believe that Panasonic will be bringing out a new model with
built-in Freesat receiver this July. Take a look at
www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums click on "satellite" and then "Freesat"
for all info about Freesat (including links to screen-shots taken
yesterday). Freesat doesn't officially launch until 6th May, but when
it does, EVERYONE will know about it!
Chris (Walsall).

According to the ERT weekly from April 10.. "As part of its involvement
Panasonic is launching a range of TVs with integrated Freesat tuners. The
first of the gloss black sets will be a 42 in, 1080P plasma screen, which
will arrive in store in June. Two further models - 40 and 50 inch plasmas -
launch the following month. The range receives the final addition in the
autumn - a 32 in LCD."

I could well have been mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that I saw a Humax
Freesat model listed in a brochure that I was browsing through in a friend's
TV workshop on Friday, I'll try and find out next week and if I was right
I'll post the model number and listed spec.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
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I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for TVs
with built in Freesat?


Is it allowed by EU, Sky can't do it.


One did however fall through the net. It was made by LG,
and had a modified Pace Digibox inside. I repaired a couple.
--
Graham

%Profound_observation%

TV and built in Freesat?
 

David wrote:

: Is it allowed by EU, Sky can't do it.

The LG Sky IDTV was ruled contrary to EU rules as it had no means of adding
a CAM for any other encryption system. It was never withdrawn - they just
any future model had to comply with the rules!

Panasonic are doing the *ONLY* (so far) Freesat IDTV (and reliable rumours
said that they almost pulled out of it! Presumably, to keep the EU happy,
it will have a CAM slot (like all Freeview IDTVs have) - even though there
are no plans for any encryption on Freesat.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Ivan wrote:

: I could well have been mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that I saw a Humax
: Freesat model listed in a brochure that I was browsing through in a friend's
: TV workshop on Friday, I'll try and find out next week and if I was right
: I'll post the model number and listed spec.

Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also have
exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to have annoyed a
lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine off the launch day!) by
announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready until about August!

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Brian McIlwrath wrote:


Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also have
exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to have annoyed a
lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine off the launch day!) by
announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready until about August!

They annoyed me so much, that as a stop gap I've just bought a second hand Sky
HD box. Life's too short !

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Mark Carver wrote:
Brian McIlwrath wrote:


Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also
have exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to
have annoyed a lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine off
the launch day!) by announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready
until about August!

They annoyed me so much, that as a stop gap I've just bought a second
hand Sky HD box. Life's too short !


I can think of a number of aerial/sat installers who from day one would love
to carry Freesat kits on their vans as an option to Sky in areas of non
existent terrestrial digital (or even analogue) reception, however for some
reason better known to themselves the cartel rules that this just ain't
going to be allowed to happen for at least another year, does anyone know if
there has been any 'logical' explanation given for this, what many would
consider to be, bizarre decision?

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Peter Crosland wrote:
I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for TVs
with built in Freesat?

Peter Crosland



Panasonic will be making them but don't expect any announcements before
Freesat is launched.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Chris wrote:
"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have Googled without success. Has anyone heard of any plans for
TVs with built in Freesat?

Peter Crosland




Hi Peter,

I believe that Panasonic will be bringing out a new model with
built-in Freesat receiver this July. Take a look at
www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums click on "satellite" and then "Freesat"
for all info about Freesat (including links to screen-shots taken
yesterday). Freesat doesn't officially launch until 6th May, but when
it does, EVERYONE will know about it!

Thanks Chris and everyone else as well. I shall keep my eyes open.

Peter Crosland

TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
Ivan wrote:

: I could well have been mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that I saw a Humax
: Freesat model listed in a brochure that I was browsing through in a
friend's
: TV workshop on Friday, I'll try and find out next week and if I was
right
: I'll post the model number and listed spec.

Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also have
exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to have annoyed a
lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine off the launch day!) by
announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready until about August!


Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights? I've always assume that the
absence of other products was due to lack of interest by the manufacturers -
but is that not the case?

--
Michael Chare

TV and built in Freesat?
 

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:36:44 +0100, "Michael Chare"
wrote:

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
Ivan wrote:

: I could well have been mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that I saw a Humax
: Freesat model listed in a brochure that I was browsing through in a
friend's
: TV workshop on Friday, I'll try and find out next week and if I was
right
: I'll post the model number and listed spec.

Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also have
exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to have annoyed a
lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine off the launch day!) by
announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready until about August!


Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights? I've always assume that the
absence of other products was due to lack of interest by the manufacturers -
but is that not the case?

Just guessing, but wouldn't granting exclusive rights for a
period of time make it more worthwhile for the chosen
manufacturer? 100% of a limited market is worth much more than
25-30% of the same market.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe)

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Michael Chare wrote:

: Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights? I've always assume that the
: absence of other products was due to lack of interest by the manufacturers -
: but is that not the case?

For whatever reason only 4 manuafacturers were signed up for Freesat launch
(Alba = Bush, Grundig etc. etc, Panasonic for IDTVs, Humax and Sagem (who
dropped out AFAIR)) - and only Humax are doing a PVR. It has been said that
these 3 (4 less Sagem) are guaranteed 6 months exclusivity. Also Freesat
won't release specs to anyone unwilling to submit to full testing - so any
non-approved software for Linux mythtv, Hauppauge etc. may have to await
reverse engineering of the Freesat broadcast streams.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:36:44 +0100, "Michael Chare"
wrote:

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
Ivan wrote:

I could well have been mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that I saw a
Humax Freesat model listed in a brochure that I was browsing
through in a friend's TV workshop on Friday, I'll try and find out
next week and if I was right I'll post the model number and listed
spec.

Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also
have exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to
have annoyed a lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine
off the launch day!) by announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready
until about August!


Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights? I've always assume that
the absence of other products was due to lack of interest by the
manufacturers - but is that not the case?

Just guessing, but wouldn't granting exclusive rights for a
period of time make it more worthwhile for the chosen
manufacturer? 100% of a limited market is worth much more than
25-30% of the same market.



However couldn't it be classed as being a kind of restrictive practice, in
which case wouldn't it be illegal in this country?

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Mark Carver wrote:

: They annoyed me so much, that as a stop gap I've just bought a second
: hand Sky HD box. Life's too short !

Better solution anyway!!! (for me anyway as I use Sky Broadband at home).

I have had a non-HD-subscription Sky-HD STB for the last 10 months and I am
even thinking of finally signing up to Sky-HD - as the latest additions
(Rush TV and FXHD) show things I would like!!!

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Brian Gaff wrote:
Rather than built in anything, I've heard many manufacturers are
getting so ****ed of with moving goalposts in the standards dept,
there will be a rash of what are basically monitors coming out with
matching under set boxes for whatever the standard is at the time.

The problem with that is there are a lot of non-technical consumers who buy
a TV who expect to be able to just switch it on and see a programme, not
have to fiddle with a separate box, second remote, etc. So for the
foreseeable future they will continue to buy analogue TV sets.

(kim)

TV and built in Freesat?
 

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:23:14 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote:

Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:36:44 +0100, "Michael Chare"
wrote:

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
Ivan wrote:

I could well have been mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that I saw a
Humax Freesat model listed in a brochure that I was browsing
through in a friend's TV workshop on Friday, I'll try and find out
next week and if I was right I'll post the model number and listed
spec.

Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also
have exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to
have annoyed a lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine
off the launch day!) by announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready
until about August!


Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights? I've always assume that
the absence of other products was due to lack of interest by the
manufacturers - but is that not the case?

Just guessing, but wouldn't granting exclusive rights for a
period of time make it more worthwhile for the chosen
manufacturer? 100% of a limited market is worth much more than
25-30% of the same market.



However couldn't it be classed as being a kind of restrictive practice, in
which case wouldn't it be illegal in this country?

[sfx Ding Dong] Is there a lawyer in the house?

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe)

TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:

: Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights? I've always assume that the
: absence of other products was due to lack of interest by the
manufacturers -
: but is that not the case?

For whatever reason only 4 manuafacturers were signed up for Freesat
launch
(Alba = Bush, Grundig etc. etc, Panasonic for IDTVs, Humax and Sagem (who
dropped out AFAIR)) - and only Humax are doing a PVR. It has been said
that
these 3 (4 less Sagem) are guaranteed 6 months exclusivity. Also Freesat
won't release specs to anyone unwilling to submit to full testing - so any
non-approved software for Linux mythtv, Hauppauge etc. may have to await
reverse engineering of the Freesat broadcast streams.

So is that why the start being held back, it means that the usual names we
buy will not get the Christmas market, Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Philips,
Pioneer etc.

--
Regards,
David

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TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Ivan" wrote in message
...
Mark Carver wrote:
Brian McIlwrath wrote:


Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also
have exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to
have annoyed a lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine off
the launch day!) by announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready
until about August!

They annoyed me so much, that as a stop gap I've just bought a second
hand Sky HD box. Life's too short !


I can think of a number of aerial/sat installers who from day one would
love to carry Freesat kits on their vans as an option to Sky in areas of
non existent terrestrial digital (or even analogue) reception, however for
some reason better known to themselves the cartel rules that this just
ain't going to be allowed to happen for at least another year, does anyone
know if there has been any 'logical' explanation given for this, what many
would consider to be, bizarre decision?

Presumably we'll just buy the boxes from whoever is selling them, like
everyone else. I don't see a problem with that. Give the customer the
original receipt so the come-back goes to the shop, and make your profit on
the installation. That's what I've always done with Sky and Sky Freesat.

Bill

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Michael Chare wrote:


Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights?

It's devil and deep blue sea. With DTT Freeview having an 'open market'
has resulted in various boxes, some of which fail to comply with the UK
DVB-T spec, and therefore cause the viewer problems, either straight
away, or months later.

The other system, is Sky's, where everything about the receiver,
including the user GUI is standardised, and controlled by them.

What is apparent is that neither Sky's, or BBC/ITV's requirements appear
to be met fully by the DVB-S standard, and both have added proprietary
additions to the standard. That seems to stem from a reluctance in the
UK now to simply broadcast satellite services, and let the punters and
market sort themselves out as far as receiving them.

Do any other DVB-S broadcasters adopt the same level of 'control
freakery' ?

TV and built in Freesat?
 

In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:


Why would Freesat grant exclusive rights?

It's devil and deep blue sea. With DTT Freeview having an 'open market'
has resulted in various boxes, some of which fail to comply with the UK
DVB-T spec, and therefore cause the viewer problems, either straight
away, or months later.

The other system, is Sky's, where everything about the receiver,
including the user GUI is standardised, and controlled by them.

What is apparent is that neither Sky's, or BBC/ITV's requirements appear
to be met fully by the DVB-S standard, and both have added proprietary
additions to the standard. That seems to stem from a reluctance in the
UK now to simply broadcast satellite services, and let the punters and
market sort themselves out as far as receiving them.

Do any other DVB-S broadcasters adopt the same level of 'control
freakery' ?

In the early days of AM broadcasting, receivers had an approved by the BBC
label.

When teletext (Ceefax) first came out some manufacturers made receivers to
pick up what as being broadcast at the time, not to the broadcast
specification, so they failed when transmissions changed. If this
"control" is about that, then its in the customers' interest.

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

TV and built in Freesat?
 

charles wrote:

What is apparent is that neither Sky's, or BBC/ITV's requirements appear
to be met fully by the DVB-S standard, and both have added proprietary
additions to the standard. That seems to stem from a reluctance in the
UK now to simply broadcast satellite services, and let the punters and
market sort themselves out as far as receiving them.

Do any other DVB-S broadcasters adopt the same level of 'control
freakery' ?

In the early days of AM broadcasting, receivers had an approved by the BBC
label.

When teletext (Ceefax) first came out some manufacturers made receivers to
pick up what as being broadcast at the time, not to the broadcast
specification, so they failed when transmissions changed. If this
"control" is about that, then its in the customers' interest.

Indeed it is, but I wonder what contribution the UK broadcasters (BBC
and commercial) made when the DVB-S spec was being defined and ratified ?

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Bill Wright wrote:
"Ivan" wrote in message
...
Mark Carver wrote:
Brian McIlwrath wrote:


Humax are only doing a Freesat HD STB (for the launch day) and also
have exclusive rights for the first Freesat HD-PVR. They seem to
have annoyed a lot of people (and to be taking some of the shine
off the launch day!) by announcing that their HD-PVR won't be ready
until about August!

They annoyed me so much, that as a stop gap I've just bought a
second hand Sky HD box. Life's too short !


I can think of a number of aerial/sat installers who from day one
would love to carry Freesat kits on their vans as an option to Sky
in areas of non existent terrestrial digital (or even analogue)
reception, however for some reason better known to themselves the
cartel rules that this just ain't going to be allowed to happen for
at least another year, does anyone know if there has been any
'logical' explanation given for this, what many would consider to
be, bizarre decision?

Presumably we'll just buy the boxes from whoever is selling them, like
everyone else. I don't see a problem with that. Give the customer the
original receipt so the come-back goes to the shop, and make your
profit on the installation. That's what I've always done with Sky and
Sky Freesat.
Bill


Ah I've obviously misinterpreted the situation then, I was under the
impression that they would only be selling the receivers to customers on the
condition that it was fitted by their own installers.
Just as in the days of Sky when the subsidised equipment, paper work,
installation and authorisation could only be done through an ASA.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Ivan" wrote:

Ah I've obviously misinterpreted the situation then, I was under the
impression that they would only be selling the receivers to customers on the
condition that it was fitted by their own installers.
Just as in the days of Sky when the subsidised equipment, paper work,
installation and authorisation could only be done through an ASA.

Argos, for example, will be selling the boxes for use with an existing
satellite dish (click on "more info" then scroll to the bottom).

http://tinyurl.com/4aqnhw

They will charge an additional £80 for the installation, if required, and
that doesn't seem to include the dish.

http://tinyurl.com/5syj6l

--
Dave Farrance

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Mark Carver wrote:

It's devil and deep blue sea. With DTT Freeview having an 'open market'
has resulted in various boxes, some of which fail to comply with the UK
DVB-T spec, and therefore cause the viewer problems, either straight
away, or months later.

The other system, is Sky's, where everything about the receiver,
including the user GUI is standardised, and controlled by them.

What is apparent is that neither Sky's, or BBC/ITV's requirements appear
to be met fully by the DVB-S standard, and both have added proprietary
additions to the standard. That seems to stem from a reluctance in the
UK now to simply broadcast satellite services, and let the punters and
market sort themselves out as far as receiving them.

Do any other DVB-S broadcasters adopt the same level of 'control
freakery' ?

Isn't this the same level of control as "Freeview"? The difference being
that "Freeview" broadcasts started long before there were "Freeview"
badged boxes.

--
Dave Farrance

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Dave Farrance wrote:
"Ivan" wrote:

Ah I've obviously misinterpreted the situation then, I was under the
impression that they would only be selling the receivers to
customers on the condition that it was fitted by their own
installers.
Just as in the days of Sky when the subsidised equipment, paper work,
installation and authorisation could only be done through an ASA.

Argos, for example, will be selling the boxes for use with an existing
satellite dish (click on "more info" then scroll to the bottom).

http://tinyurl.com/4aqnhw

They will charge an additional £80 for the installation, if required,
and that doesn't seem to include the dish.

http://tinyurl.com/5syj6l

Thanks for that info Dave, so it looks like the supply of kit may not be as
restricted as we were originally led to believe, however the major problem
still appears to be the, imho almost childish secrecy, surrounding the
launch.
I've just been in touch with a national aerial wholesaler and the
receptionist informed me that as far as she is aware they'll be receiving
stock within the next couple of weeks (which at least sounds encouraging)
but other than that regarding any detailed information they still appear to
be as much in the dark (or just weren't letting on) as the rest of us.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

"Ivan" wrote in message
...
Presumably we'll just buy the boxes from whoever is selling them, like
everyone else. I don't see a problem with that. Give the customer the
original receipt so the come-back goes to the shop, and make your
profit on the installation. That's what I've always done with Sky and
Sky Freesat.
Bill


Ah I've obviously misinterpreted the situation then, I was under the
impression that they would only be selling the receivers to customers on
the condition that it was fitted by their own installers.
Just as in the days of Sky when the subsidised equipment, paper work,
installation and authorisation could only be done through an ASA.

You could be right, but if so the firms authorised to sell the boxes will be
happy to let us act as 'installers'.

Bill

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Mark Carver wrote:

: What is apparent is that neither Sky's, or BBC/ITV's requirements appear
: to be met fully by the DVB-S standard, and both have added proprietary
: additions to the standard. That seems to stem from a reluctance in the
: UK now to simply broadcast satellite services, and let the punters and
: market sort themselves out as far as receiving them.

I believe that both Sky and Freesat *do* broadcast to DVB-S standards - but
these only mandate "now&next" data. Some German channels broadcast a 7-day
EPG but I do not believe that this is an integral part of DVB-S either!. It
also, AFAIK, only covers channels on one single transponder.

Anyway the BBC have apparently decided that they like the "press red for
other matches" ability and the enhanced EPG features of Sky - that being so
they had no real choice but to design a new EPG to duplicate them.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Brian McIlwrath writes:

Anyway the BBC have apparently decided that they like the "press red for
other matches" ability and the enhanced EPG features of Sky - that being so
they had no real choice but to design a new EPG to duplicate them.

Would they not have done better to emulate the freeview EPG which can be
viewed at the same time as watching the TV station (on at least some
boxes). Unlike the Sky one, which acts as separate channel and therefore
cannot be consulted while continuing to a programme.

TV and built in Freesat?
 

No because they won't be available soon. After all analogue is dead, at
least this is one certainty.

Brian

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"kim" wrote in message
...
Brian Gaff wrote:
Rather than built in anything, I've heard many manufacturers are
getting so ****ed of with moving goalposts in the standards dept,
there will be a rash of what are basically monitors coming out with
matching under set boxes for whatever the standard is at the time.

The problem with that is there are a lot of non-technical consumers who
buy a TV who expect to be able to just switch it on and see a programme,
not have to fiddle with a separate box, second remote, etc. So for the
foreseeable future they will continue to buy analogue TV sets.

(kim)

TV and built in Freesat?
 

Brian McIlwrath wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
: What is apparent is that neither Sky's, or BBC/ITV's requirements appear
: to be met fully by the DVB-S standard, and both have added proprietary
: additions to the standard. [...]

Does anyone know what the BBC/ITV requirements were, or is this a guess?
I'd guess that unremovable 'Press Red' droppings are part of it.

I believe that both Sky and Freesat *do* broadcast to DVB-S standards - but
these only mandate "now&next" data. Some German channels broadcast a 7-day
EPG but I do not believe that this is an integral part of DVB-S either!. It
also, AFAIK, only covers channels on one single transponder.

The 7-day EPG is an integral part of DVB-S (Service Information Event Info
Tables or DVB-SI EIT) and I understand it could theoretically cover several
transponders but it would make it even slower to populate.

Anyway the BBC have apparently decided that they like the "press red for
other matches" ability and the enhanced EPG features of Sky - that being so
they had no real choice but to design a new EPG to duplicate them.

They had a choice (DVB and MHEG like Germany, most likely, or a anti-competitive
custom system like Sky) and I don't know which they went for - does anyone here?

Regards,
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TV and built in Freesat?
 

MJ Ray wrote:

: They had a choice (DVB and MHEG like Germany, most likely, or a
: anti-competitive custom system like Sky) and I don't know which they went
: for - does anyone here?

Well Bob_Cat from Humax on the digitalspy forums has said that the full
Freesat EPG technical specs are only available to licensed manufacturers and
has hinted that the complexity of these is a major factor in the late arrival
of the Humax PVR!

So the answer to your question may be obvious!