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(Re)read the link I gave ...

But that is just a summary of the current IPCC position. Do you have
another link with a similarly authoritative counter-argument? That way we
can get a balanced view.....

SteveT

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No. Give me a valid scientific link to say that gravity pulls
upwards, and I'll try and find what you ask ...

On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:43:20 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

(Re)read the link I gave ...

But that is just a summary of the current IPCC position. Do you have
another link with a similarly authoritative counter-argument? That way we
can get a balanced view.....

Seriously OT - primarily for Bill
 

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:43:20 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

(Re)read the link I gave ...

But that is just a summary of the current IPCC position. Do you
have
another link with a similarly authoritative counter-argument? That
way we
can get a balanced view.....

No. Give me a valid scientific link to say that gravity pulls
upwards, and I'll try and find what you ask ...


IOW what you are saying is, you are not open minded, and considering
that no one has *proved* beyond doubt what is causing GW/CC you are as
dangerous as people like Bill who refuse (seemingly) to even consider
that anything abnormal is occurring - should the current suggestions
as to the cause prove to be wrong, meaning that the world could have
lost time is attempting to find out what is going on and any solution.

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"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
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There were huge notices boasting about how green M & S is, all about how
they recycle their bags and so forth. We had a simple meal for two (just
sandwiches and a bun) and at the end we had a tray absolutely full of
plastic wrappers.

Hear, hear! I was nauseated when Gordon Brown announced he wanted to ban
carrier bags. What a complete load of ********.

I listen to Irish radio quite a bit and apparently all that's happened there
is that the sales of big heavy bin liners has gone up fourfold.


OK, we can all agree that there is too much landfill going on,
This isn't a given. Why not remove all the top soil and subsoil from areas
that are scheduled for housing but are low on the floodplain, put five
metres of landfill in there, and reinstate? Wait ten years and you can build
on that with no problems. Why not fill some of the remote valleys in the
Pennines? They have no value for recreation or agriculture. Anyone who lives
in South Yorkshire will be familiar with our beautiful artifical mountains,
which were colliery waste tips but are now grassed and have lots of trees,
and are a great recreational resource. Let's make a few more of them.

Pollution? No problem. Do what the Dutch do and build in drainage to collect
anything nasty that might seep underground.


IF we want to take this issue seriously, then we should undertake a
SERIOUS review of all the sources. In particular, the massive overuse of
packaging materials in most walks of life.
That's just common sense, and it annoys me that it's been taken over by the
greenies. It's like when Christians take over basic morality. "Thou shalt
not commit murder." Of course I'm not going to commit murder you pillock!
What do you think I am?

Bill

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"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
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Climate modeling is certainly used to make predictions for the future,
but the majority of the historical evidence comes from quantitative
measurements such as ice cores.

You miss my point. I'm not saying the evidence for global warming is
weak. I'm saying that the evidence that HUMANS ARE CAUSING IT is weak.

Historical evidence from ice cores doesn't address the last-century-or-so
timescales we are talking about.

The fact is that if there was a really strong link between CO2 emissions and
climate change there would be a correlation right though the last century.
But there isn't. During the massive industrial growth of the 50s and 60s the
rate of climate change decreased. It should have shot up.

Bill

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":Jerry:" wrote in message
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IOW what you are saying is, you are not open minded, and considering that
no one has *proved* beyond doubt what is causing GW/CC you are as
dangerous as people like Bill who refuse (seemingly) to even consider that
anything abnormal is occurring - should the current suggestions as to the
cause prove to be wrong, meaning that the world could have lost time is
attempting to find out what is going on and any solution.

Whether or not the present rate of climate change is 'abnormal' (and that
depends on how narrowly you define 'normal') I contend that there is
absolutely SFA we can do about it. There's no way that we are going to
pursuade the far east and the third world to abandon economic progress, and
what they are going to do in the next few years will totally overwhelm
anything we can do to the contrary. What's more, I think for us to tell
starving Africans that they have to do without the benefits of
industrialisation because of some crackpot theory we've got is downright
immoral.

If the best brains think that there's going to be climate change we'd do
well to make some plans to deal with it. Build some decent sea defences for
a start.

I must say, I think a bit of warmth would be a bloody good thing for the UK.
The one thing that spoils this country (apart from the excessive number of
Muslims they've let in and the army of prodnosed government spies of one
sort or another) is the cold weather. It's been much better just lately
without us getting snowed in every year like we used to. Better weather
means more fun outdoors and smaller heating bills. I'm looking forward to it
getting fairly tropical. It will be great.No need to go abroad getting
ripped off by johnny foreigner if we can get a decent climate here. A few
years time and with a bit of luck I'll be able to sit on my porch and have a
nice a nice barbie any time I like.

Bill

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"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
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Actually, I think there is a much better reason for Britain to invest in
alternate energy sources. Simply, we are dangerously in thrall to Russia
and the Middle East for our energy. Neither of which is a beacon of
political stability.

Greater energy independence for Britain is a worthwhile thing to aim for,
regardless of any arguments about global warming.

You just can't believe the stupidity and short-termism, abandoning our coal
mines, wrecking all our communities up her in Yorkshire, burning all the gas
in power stations instead of saving it. So now if some loony in Russia or
somewhere decides to shaft us they can.

Bill

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":Jerry:" wrote in message
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I can't see how. At that point I was complaining about the demographic
fact that we natives will be in a minority in our own country before too
long. Successive governments have totally dropped us in the **** by
allowing all this immigration by people who are culturally alien to us.


You're racist too then! Hope you don't have any Nordic bold in your
ancestry Bill, people would hate to think of you as a hypocrite...

Here we go! Anyone who cares about our British culture is called a racist!
I don't give a **** about people's race. How can that matter? What I care
about is the fact that our culture is likley to be overwhelmed by an alien
culture; one that's demonstrably inferior to our own. Specifically, how do
you feel about the House of Commons of 2060 making it illegal to own a Holy
Bible, or perform a homosexual act?

Bill

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"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:52:34 GMT, "Woody" wrote:

OK, lets open another can of worms.

No, let's not, it only contains another PLONKer ...

You're always on about making views that you don't agree with inaudible to
you. That must be because you can't counter then with valid argument.

Bill

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":Jerry:" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in message
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snip

That's it - the answer. Kill all of the animals and do away with all
vegitation and we can do what we like ;-))


If we did away with all the vegetation the problem would be even worse, in
fact it would be setting a death sentence for the world, vegetation
absorbs Co2 - that's why burning fuel made from (natural) wood products is
'carbon natural', the burning of it only releases what it has absorbed in
it life.

It still produces CO2 though doesn't it? How is that different from burning
coal, which is made from (natural)
wood products as well.

Bill