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Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Which, if the event got good ratings, would be snapped up by one of the Beeb's competitors. michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... But the BBC shouldn't be promoting a product, like it's doing. Look at the time when they couldn't mention the Radio Times without saying "Other listings magazines are available". The difference there, was that the BBC were said to be promoting their own product, "the Radio Times", if only by default. As a result, the BBC's competitors in the listings magazine market started whingeing and moaning that the BBC had an unfair competitive advantage. Spot the difference, eh Dommy ? Where DAB radio is concerned the BBC has invested shed loads of licence payers money on DAB technology and so wants to promote that technology. There is more than one manufacture of DAB radio sets. The BBC has always been at the forefront of leading edge technology - the original BBC as the British Broadcasting Company was set up by a consortium of radio manufacturers to promote sales of sets. People who don't like this pioneering role of the BBC are always free to move to Poland or anywhere else they like. michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Edster" wrote in message ... "michael adams" wrote: If you're doing the props for a TV show you show the stuff people are most likely to buy. You just go to a supermarket and buy the popular brands. The market leaders. That's how you achieve realism. How does that explain everyone having DAB radios when DAB has been a massive commercial failure? Its been a technical failure for various technical reasons. Which will doubtless be overcome as a result of further research The BBC has always been committed to technical innovation. That happens to be a historical fact whether you happen to know it or not. If you'd prefer your State Broadcaster not to be intereseted innovation then there's nothing stopping you from going and living somewhere like Poland or Estonia. michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Edster" wrote in message ... "michael adams" wrote: "Dom Robinson" wrote in message et... There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Which, if the event got good ratings, would be snapped up by one of the Beeb's competitors. michael adams ... The BBC is public funded, it doesn't have any competitors. So it doesn't compete for ratings ? michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Edster" wrote in message ... "michael adams" wrote: "Edster" wrote in message ... "michael adams" wrote: "Dom Robinson" wrote in message et... There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Which, if the event got good ratings, would be snapped up by one of the Beeb's competitors. michael adams ... The BBC is public funded, it doesn't have any competitors. So it doesn't compete for ratings ? michael adams ... Why would it need to? Because it couldn't justify its claim on the Licence Fee otherwise, obviously. The Government would instead charge all UK broadcasters for the use of the airwaves instead. As they are perfectly well entitled to do. While they could confiscate the UK assets of any foreign based broadcasters who refused to divvy up. Given your difficulty in understanding such a basic point clearly in your case a lot of BBC output is possibly over the top of your head at present. Nevertheless you now have something to aspire to. So as to eventually reap the full benefit from your Licence Fee/Chav Tax. Whoops! HTH michael adams .... In which case its your role in life to subidise This question was discussed in depth in "The Pilkington Report" in 1962. I do realise that this might well have been before even your granny was born, but do try and keep up eh ? |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advertbreaks)
What relevance does the reasons for its failure have to do with how
realistic it would be for everyone in a TV drama to own one when in the real world, virtually nobody has them? If it wouldn't be realistic, what is the purpose of so many TV characters owning them? We need to put this into context. The BBC run adverts for DAB radios. Not just potential PP. Both TV and radio feature proper commercials where they say go and buy a DAB radio. The BBC has a "public duty" to promote digital radio. |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That's not PP; that's event sponsorship and is /nothing/ to do with the channel it is being shown on; especially the BBC. But the BBC shouldn't be promoting a product, like it's doing. They're not. They're just covering an event. That's it. I think there'd be more of a fuss (certainly from Snooker fans) if they /didn't/ cover the event! I don't see why they have to mention the sponsor, that's the point. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... The BBC has always been at the forefront of leading edge technology - Does that include making their end credits as jumbled and illegible as possible? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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says... "Rob." wrote: "And the next person to go is ... [half an hour later] ... after the break ... [half an hour later] ... Gerty!" if they wont just announce the results I won't watch! (Not that I care enough to watch these shows anyway) and that Phillip Schofield, why does he have to SHOUT!!!? To take our minds off his grey hair. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... "Rob." wrote: What relevance does the reasons for its failure have to do with how realistic it would be for everyone in a TV drama to own one when in the real world, virtually nobody has them? If it wouldn't be realistic, what is the purpose of so many TV characters owning them? We need to put this into context. The BBC run adverts for DAB radios. Not just potential PP. Both TV and radio feature proper commercials where they say go and buy a DAB radio. The BBC has a "public duty" to promote digital radio. Why? Because michael adams has a "public duty" to disagree with whatever anyone else says. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... "Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Is that in the contract, and can we see that online? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... "michael adams" wrote: "Edster" wrote in message ... "michael adams" wrote: "Dom Robinson" wrote in message et... There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Which, if the event got good ratings, would be snapped up by one of the Beeb's competitors. michael adams ... The BBC is public funded, it doesn't have any competitors. So it doesn't compete for ratings ? Why would it need to? They always claim they don't chase ratings. Of course, that's bull****. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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Dom Robinson Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:47:26 -0000 Why? Because michael adams has a "public duty" to disagree with whatever anyone else says Thats not 100% true . I once made the point there was a market for a dedicated printed freeview tv guide as listing stuff like skyone and the sky movies channels is all a bit pointless if you cant actually watch them - and he agreed with me a couple of months later . He just needs some time to think about stuff :-)) -- www.krustov.co.uk |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advertbreaks)
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , says... "Dom Robinson" wrote in message Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Is that in the contract, and can we see that online? It certainly tallies with what I've heard BBC spokespersonages say in the past. Seem to remember they have to do things like showing the sponsors name in captions and programme titles a certain number of times as well. |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:21:35 -0000, "michael adams"
wrote: Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Which, if the event got good ratings, would be snapped up by one of the Beeb's competitors. Well then that's good. After all, the BBC shouldn't be spending my licence fee on buying events which other channels would be perfectly happy to spend their own money on. -- |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:18:50 -0000, "michael adams"
wrote: If you're doing the props for a TV show you show the stuff people are most likely to buy. You just go to a supermarket and buy the popular brands. The market leaders. That's how you achieve realism. Except you don't need to. The market leaders come to you and give you the stuff for free, out of the goodness of their own hearts. And, of course, because having your product shoved in front of millions of people is brilliant free advertising. Of course, being a commercial organisation, these market leaders will tell the BBC how they want the products seen, and of course the BBC will happily meet those demands "to a limited extent", so it's all very cosy and everyone gets what they need. All very cosy indeed. The same doesn't go for the beer in Stenders or Corrie (although the rules may have been tighter when Corrie started anyway) as there's no one market leader in tied pubs or brewers. Beer is unique because those venues are such a big part of the soaps that any 'placement' would swiftly be unacceptably prominent. Aside from which, the beer companies would be fighting over who would be on the soaps this week, and for a pub to be changing the beers it sells each week would be highly unrealistic. Quite aside from making it far too OBVIOUS that this kind of "subliminal marketing" was going on. If they started featuring obscure brands, or identifiable supermarket own brands that weren't market leaders then maybe you'd have a point. As it is you don't. Sorry, but I do. The fact that you DON'T see obscure brands (or made-up brands) just proves that the 'realism' is distorted towards reflecting those brands that are most willing to play nice with the producers. Millions of people buy Tesco Value cornflakes but you'll never see them on EastEnders. Wonder why that is... -- |
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Edster wrote:
Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... "Rob." wrote: "And the next person to go is ... [half an hour later] ... after the break ... [half an hour later] ... Gerty!" if they wont just announce the results I won't watch! (Not that I care enough to watch these shows anyway) and that Phillip Schofield, why does he have to SHOUT!!!? To take our minds off his grey hair. And the puppet that works him. and the enormous pair of knockers stood at his side -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Paul Hyett wrote:
Edster wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : allan tracy wrote: Long advert breaks allow viewers to get up a do something else and are far more likely to be fast forwarded when watching a recording. A smart advertiser would make adverts that can still get their message across when watched at 12x speed with no sound. (30x fast forward doesn't work because you are often a few minutes into the programme before you notice the adverts are finished). Are there any DVD/HDD recorders that allow automatic chaptering in conveniently ad-break sized periods? Five minutes is usually a little too long - maybe 3 minutes... :) Automated chaptering would be useless for that purpose. You'd need user-definable chaptering. JVC DVD-R/HDD machines (when you can find them) have it. Sony machines don't. IIRC (from the one I had to try at home), Toshiba DVD-R/HDD machines, like Sony, won't transfer a user-defined chapter mark from the HDD to the DVD-R(W). With the JVC, it's easy to mark the end of the advert breaks on the HDD. Those chapter points then translate onto the DVD-R and you can simply click "next" when the ads start on your recording. |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:21:35 -0000, "michael adams" wrote: Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Which, if the event got good ratings, would be snapped up by one of the Beeb's competitors. Well then that's good. After all, the BBC shouldn't be spending my licence fee on buying events which other channels would be perfectly happy to spend their own money on. So that another channel got the top ratings for that slot and the BBC got hardly any viewers. Then numpties like you would complain as to why should you pay a Licence Fee for programmes nobody watches. Joined up thinking clearly doesn't come easily to morons like you. Which is presumably why a lot of BBC programes are over the top of your head. Zero tolerance - zero a lot of things, by the looks of it. michael adams .... -- |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:18:50 -0000, "michael adams" wrote: If you're doing the props for a TV show you show the stuff people are most likely to buy. You just go to a supermarket and buy the popular brands. The market leaders. That's how you achieve realism. Except you don't need to. The market leaders come to you and give you the stuff for free, out of the goodness of their own hearts. No they don't. Any such offers would be rejected as that could be seen consititute bribery. of course, because having your product shoved in front of millions of people is brilliant free advertising. Sure thing chum. Having style setters such as Dot Cotton or Jim Branning munching their way through their Kellogs cornflakes is bound to send sales through the roof. Just as would be interesting to see what impact Phiw has on the sales of Mercs. Negative if anything, I'd imagine. Consumers seek to imitate and emulate aspirational characters. If you know what that means. Name some aspirational characters in East Enders who viewers would want identify with, to the extent of copying their choice in breakfast cereal or anything else for that matter. Basically sunshine, you're taking through your arse. michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Calum" wrote in message ... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... "Dom Robinson" wrote in message Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Is that in the contract, and can we see that online? .... FFS Robinson it's common f*cking sense. If there's no TV coverage including sponsor credits, then there's no event to start with. .... It certainly tallies with what I've heard BBC spokespersonages say in the past. Seem to remember they have to do things like showing the sponsors name in captions and programme titles a certain number of times as well. The only reason these people sponsor events at all is in the expectation of plenty of media coverage. If the Beeb refused to credit the sponsor and all the other TV channels and media outlets followed suit, then the London Marathon would probably collapse. Either that, or they'd need to charge a prohibitive entry fee which would discourage most amateur runners. And as they can't charge spectators its difficult to see where they'd raise the prize money to pay for the professionals. Except that is, in "Dommy World". Perhaps Dommy could make a Youtube video explaining how it might be done. michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That's not PP; that's event sponsorship and is /nothing/ to do with the channel it is being shown on; especially the BBC. But the BBC shouldn't be promoting a product, like it's doing. They're not. They're just covering an event. That's it. I think there'd be more of a fuss (certainly from Snooker fans) if they /didn't/ cover the event! I don't see why they have to mention the sponsor, that's the point. They /don't/. Having the sponsor's name "in vision" can't be helped as they cover the event. -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:23:04 -0000, "michael adams"
wrote: Then numpties like you would complain as to why should you pay a Licence Fee for programmes nobody watches. Joined up thinking clearly doesn't come easily to morons like you. Which is presumably why a lot of BBC programes are over the top of your head. Zero tolerance - zero a lot of things, by the looks of it. Wow, you're quite obnoxious. Not BBC staff by any chance? -- |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:36:42 -0000, "michael adams"
wrote: No they don't. Any such offers would be rejected as that could be seen consititute bribery. Ah but they obviously do. The BBC's own report said as much. Consumers seek to imitate and emulate aspirational characters. If you know what that means. I know just fine what that means. Of course what I don't understand is why on earth anyone would watch EastEnders in the first place... -- |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That's not PP; that's event sponsorship and is /nothing/ to do with the channel it is being shown on; especially the BBC. But the BBC shouldn't be promoting a product, like it's doing. They're not. They're just covering an event. That's it. I think there'd be more of a fuss (certainly from Snooker fans) if they /didn't/ cover the event! I don't see why they have to mention the sponsor, that's the point. They /don't/. Having the sponsor's name "in vision" can't be helped as they cover the event. They don't have to say it. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... "Calum" wrote in message ... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... "Dom Robinson" wrote in message Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Is that in the contract, and can we see that online? ... FFS Robinson it's common f*cking sense. If there's no TV coverage including sponsor credits, then there's no event to start with. Nice of you to disagree(!) It certainly tallies with what I've heard BBC spokespersonages say in the past. Seem to remember they have to do things like showing the sponsors name in captions and programme titles a certain number of times as well. The only reason these people sponsor events at all is in the expectation of plenty of media coverage. If the Beeb refused to credit the sponsor and all the other TV channels and media outlets followed suit, then the London Marathon would probably collapse. Either that, or they'd need to charge a prohibitive entry fee which would discourage most amateur runners. And as they can't charge spectators its difficult to see where they'd raise the prize money to pay for the professionals. As if. It got by fine without sponsorship originally. Still, if the London Marathon was cancelled, would anyone miss it? I'm sure anyone who wants to can find 26 miles to run. Except that is, in "Dommy World". Perhaps Dommy could make a Youtube video explaining how it might be done. Too busy with Patrick Swayze, thanks. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... uk.media.tv.sky Dom Robinson Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:47:26 -0000 Why? Because michael adams has a "public duty" to disagree with whatever anyone else says Thats not 100% true . I once made the point there was a market for a dedicated printed freeview tv guide as listing stuff like skyone and the sky movies channels is all a bit pointless if you cant actually watch them - and he agreed with me a couple of months later . He just needs some time to think about stuff :-)) Very "Deep Thought" :) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
t... They don't have to say it. It would probably be a condition of sponsorship that they *do* say it. Ian |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... In article , says... "Calum" wrote in message ... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... "Dom Robinson" wrote in message Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Because if they didn't, they lose the broadcasting rights. Is that in the contract, and can we see that online? ... FFS Robinson it's common f*cking sense. If there's no TV coverage including sponsor credits, then there's no event to start with. Nice of you to disagree(!) It certainly tallies with what I've heard BBC spokespersonages say in the past. Seem to remember they have to do things like showing the sponsors name in captions and programme titles a certain number of times as well. The only reason these people sponsor events at all is in the expectation of plenty of media coverage. If the Beeb refused to credit the sponsor and all the other TV channels and media outlets followed suit, then the London Marathon would probably collapse. Either that, or they'd need to charge a prohibitive entry fee which would discourage most amateur runners. And as they can't charge spectators its difficult to see where they'd raise the prize money to pay for the professionals. As if. It got by fine without sponsorship originally. Wrong yet again Dommy. Not that that's ever stopped you before of course. Maybe you could make a Youtube video on the London Marathon as well ? quote From the outset in 1981 it was realised that finance would have to come from the private sector and the Marathon asked sports agencies to find a sponsor. West Nally came up with Gillette who funded the race for the first three years. In 1981 they paid £50,000 to be title sponsor, but delighted with the enhanced exposure doubled that to £100,000 the following year. /quote http://www.london-marathon.co.uk/sit...=12&article=12 Now what do you think might be the significicance of the word " title" in the phrase "title sponsr" there eh, Dommy ? Maybe if you can't work it out for yourself you could ask someone eh? Still, if the London Marathon was cancelled, would anyone miss it? quote An unusual feature is the very large amounts of money raised for charity, much more than other marathons.[1] According to the race organisers, it is now the largest annual fund raising event in the world with the 2006 participants raising over £41.5 million for charity, bringing the total amount raised for charity by runners, to a grand total of £315 million.[2]. In 2007, 78% of all runners raised money. /quote The recipients of the £315 million in charity donations down the years would miss it I'd imagine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Marathon Just think Dommy. Some of those charitable donations may even have gone to Heart Research. So that the London Marathon may be indirectly resposnible for giving you, and us, an extra five or ten years of whinging time added to your life. michael adams .... |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:33:09 -0000, "Ian F."
wrote: It would probably be a condition of sponsorship that they *do* say it. It's not the role of third party sporting event organisers to guarantee to sponsors what the BBC will and will not say on their own airtime, and the BBC should enter into no such deals where they would be obligated to name-check the sponsor. But of course they do anyway. -- |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
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says... On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:33:09 -0000, "Ian F." wrote: It would probably be a condition of sponsorship that they *do* say it. It's not the role of third party sporting event organisers to guarantee to sponsors what the BBC will and will not say on their own airtime, and the BBC should enter into no such deals where they would be obligated to name-check the sponsor. But of course they do anyway. For once, I agree with Zero. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
In article ,
says... Now what do you think might be the significicance of the word " title" in the phrase "title sponsr" there eh, I never heard of it referred to as "sponsor London Marathon" on TV prior to Flora. Dommy ? What, michaely ? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
... It's not the role of third party sporting event organisers to guarantee to sponsors what the BBC will and will not say on their own airtime, and the BBC should enter into no such deals where they would be obligated to name-check the sponsor. But of course they do anyway. *shrug* Who cares? No sponsorship = no event, if that's what you'd rather. Ian |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:03:31 -0000, "Ian F."
wrote: No sponsorship = no event, if that's what you'd rather. Yes, I'd rather that than have our nation's public service broadcaster become increasingly commercialised. The chance to watch television WITHOUT having commercial messages slammed into your face every five minutes is EXACTLY what I pay my licence fee for. I'm sure those events would continue nonetheless, they'd just get covered on one of the commercial channels rather than the BBC. And there's nothing at all wrong with that. -- |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:16:08 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote: I never heard of it referred to as "sponsor London Marathon" on TV prior to Flora. Me neither. -- |
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Mike Henry wrote:
Felicity S. wrote: Mike Henry wrote: Edster wrote: Mike Henry wrote: What do you mean, 30x FF doesn't work? Of course it does! TiVo's top speed is 60x FF which works brilliantly, because when you press "play" it winds back to the bit that was flashing past when you pressed it. Ie the software can take your reaction time into account. Yet another great feature that the copy-cat PVRs didn't copy, obviously. How would it know how fast your reaction time is? Ask their software developers. All a TiVo user needs to know it jumps back a bit so that you "land" at the end of the advert break, despite seeing it fly past at high speed and taking time to press a button. So if a user's reaction time is just 0.3 seconds different from the value built into the TiVo, it will wind to a point 0.3 minutes away from the end of the advert break - an error range of 36 seconds. No. As I said, it was a simplification. Forget reaction times if it make it easier to understand. It winds back a bit and works brilliantly. Simplification or no, it works brilliantly for you. Not other people. Fliss -- She said: Sa-anta Claus is coming to town. She said: Just seeing a Santa... Shall I try a Santa? How the hell do you draw a Santa Claus? |
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In article ,
says... Mike Henry wrote: In [email protected], "Felicity S." [email protected] wrote: Mike Henry wrote: No. As I said, it was a simplification. Forget reaction times if it make it easier to understand. It winds back a bit and works brilliantly. Simplification or no, it works brilliantly for you. Not other people. Whatever. But no TiVo owner has posted saying they don't like it or that it doesn't work. I think the number of Tivo owners would have something to do with that. There speaks the experience of ignorance! -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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Mike Henry wrote:
Felicity S. wrote: Mike Henry wrote: No. As I said, it was a simplification. Forget reaction times if it make it easier to understand. It winds back a bit and works brilliantly. Simplification or no, it works brilliantly for you. Not other people. Whatever. But no TiVo owner has posted saying they don't like it or that it doesn't work. I'm happy for you. Fliss -- He said: You guys need anything? She said: Yes, a tear in the space-time continuum so he can go back and say 'I love you'. |
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Edster wrote:
Mike Henry wrote: Felicity S. wrote: Mike Henry wrote: No. As I said, it was a simplification. Forget reaction times if it make it easier to understand. It winds back a bit and works brilliantly. Simplification or no, it works brilliantly for you. Not other people. Whatever. But no TiVo owner has posted saying they don't like it or that it doesn't work. I think the number of Tivo owners would have something to do with that. LOL Fliss -- She said: I sneak in the salmon under my sweater. He said: Good. That way we don't have to pay for that overpriced movie fish. |
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