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Mike Henry wrote:
In , Edster wrote: allan tracy wrote: Long advert breaks allow viewers to get up a do something else and are far more likely to be fast forwarded when watching a recording. A smart advertiser would make adverts that can still get their message across when watched at 12x speed with no sound. (30x fast forward doesn't work because you are often a few minutes into the programme before you notice the adverts are finished). What do you mean, 30x FF doesn't work? Of course it does! TiVo's top speed is 60x FF which works brilliantly, because when you press "play" it winds back to the bit that was flashing past when you pressed it. Ie the software can take your reaction time into account. Yet another great feature that the copy-cat PVRs didn't copy, obviously. Of course, some of us don't need the 'jump-back' feature 'cos we're so brilliant ;-D -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Carl Waring wrote:
Seeing that it is simply and completely *not* *aloud* to do PP then I Yeah yeah. I know. "allowed" :-) Musta been thinking of a certain girl group ;-) -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Paul Hyett wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 at 21:02:59, Paul Heslop wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : I always understood that the lack of adverts was the main selling point of the Sky Movie Channels - after all, they charge ****ing enough for them! I have the same view for all sky channels, as in ones owned by them not just ones they show. Good point. I wonder how much higher the basic (£21/mth) package would be if Sky were totally advert free? -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett I shudder to think. :O) -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Carl Waring wrote:
Carl Waring wrote: Seeing that it is simply and completely *not* *aloud* to do PP then I Yeah yeah. I know. "allowed" :-) Musta been thinking of a certain girl group ;-) heh heh, I'm glad you spotted it first. I was like, shall I pull him on that or on his ranting :O)) -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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In uk.media.tv.misc Edster wrote:
In real life hardly anyone bought one. Even at the height of the BBC's advertising campaign a few Xmases ago they weren't exactly flying off the shelves. I have four. Two table top and two portable. How else is anybody supposed to get a decent reception for Radios 5, 7 and the World Service? -- Aldous Huxley: Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. |
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In uk.media.tv.misc Edster wrote:
wrote: In uk.media.tv.misc Edster wrote: In real life hardly anyone bought one. Even at the height of the BBC's advertising campaign a few Xmases ago they weren't exactly flying off the shelves. I have four. Two table top and two portable. How else is anybody supposed to get a decent reception for Radios 5, 7 and the World Service? More people listen to those through their TV than through DAB. The quality is higher and it doesn't involve buying anything they don't already have. Radio 4 were broadcasting pictures with their afternoon play earlier this week for that reason. Can't get freeview here, neither can I get it on a portable on the bus and train. -- Isaac Asimov: Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:51:52 -0000, "Carl Waring"
wrote: Of course, you can *prove* that this /actually/ happens, can't you? I look forward to your citing reputable sources for this claim. Suggest you try watching a few old episodes of EastEnders and Only Fools & Horses. -- |
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:27:06 +0000, Mike Henry
wrote: works really well and the idea is not rocket science - it's an 8-year old product now - so if the other PVRs don't copy good ideas then that's their loss. The minor matter of tivo having patented the "skip-back-after-FF" idea may also have something to do with it. -- |
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Zero Tolerance wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:51:52 -0000, "Carl Waring" wrote: Of course, you can *prove* that this /actually/ happens, can't you? I look forward to your citing reputable sources for this claim. Suggest you try watching a few old episodes of EastEnders and Only Fools & Horses. What might I see if I did. A box of branded breakfast cereal on a table? Wow! Yeah, that's so completely wrong it can /only/ be PP. Or, perhaps, it's breakfast time and they're, you know, having cereals? :-/ -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Edster wrote:
"Carl Waring" wrote: Zero Tolerance wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:08:46 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote: They aren't blatant Carl, but unlike days of old where they had make believe stuff they tend to use the real thing now. It's quite well known they do product placement, though this article says otherwise You only need to watch the programmes to see the commercial influences. "I know, let's set this scene in a corner shop. Make sure you get the PAL DOG FOOD cans in shot. Great. Now let's do an interior. Make sure you get those KELLOGG'S CORN FLAKES right in the middle of the table." Of course, you can *prove* that this /actually/ happens, can't you? I look forward to your citing reputable sources for this claim. You just need to watch the programmes with your eyes open for a change. I wasn't aware there was any other way to watch a *TV* programme. (No offense to any blind people in this group.) -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Paul Heslop wrote:
Carl Waring wrote: Carl Waring wrote: Seeing that it is simply and completely *not* *aloud* to do PP then I Yeah yeah. I know. "allowed" :-) Musta been thinking of a certain girl group ;-) heh heh, I'm glad you spotted it first. I was like, shall I pull him on that or on his ranting :O)) What rant? You mean "pointing out the bleeding obvious to idiots"? ;-) -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4391955.stm
As it stands, product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/edit...placemen.shtml Product placement We must never include a product or service in sound or vision in return for cash, services or any consideration in kind. This is product placement. It is illegal to make any such arrangements in the EU. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre.../product.shtml (Selected quotes here) The BBC has completed an investigation into allegations of product placement and product prominence made in the Sunday Times. The investigation was carried out by Claire Powell, Chief Adviser, Editorial Policy, at the request of Jana Bennett, the BBC's Director of Television. The investigation found that a number of people in independent production companies working for the BBC were offered an unspecified payment by an undercover Sunday Times reporter in exchange for featuring products on air and the BBC is deeply reassured that in every case this offer was refused. In none of the programmes investigated did anyone give guarantees that a product would be featured if it was supplied for free or at a reduced cost. In many cases where the Sunday Times alleged that products seen in programmes had been supplied for free by companies, the investigation found that they had either in fact been paid for by the programme, or in one case was personal property lent to the programme by a member of the production team. The investigation found that in every case where products had been sourced for free, this was done in accordance with the BBC's guidelines. So, like I said, there *is* no PP on BBC shows. -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Carl Waring wrote:
Paul Heslop wrote: Carl Waring wrote: Carl Waring wrote: Seeing that it is simply and completely *not* *aloud* to do PP then I Yeah yeah. I know. "allowed" :-) Musta been thinking of a certain girl group ;-) heh heh, I'm glad you spotted it first. I was like, shall I pull him on that or on his ranting :O)) What rant? You mean "pointing out the bleeding obvious to idiots"? ;-) I'm sorry. I suppose I shouldn't call someone an idiot just because they don't know about something that I do. I know I wouldn't like it :-) So here goes. There *is* a difference between Product Placement (which is actually *illegal* on /any/ TV channel in the EU) and simply having a 'real world' product in any given scene. -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Carl Waring wrote:
Carl Waring wrote: Paul Heslop wrote: Carl Waring wrote: Carl Waring wrote: Seeing that it is simply and completely *not* *aloud* to do PP then I Yeah yeah. I know. "allowed" :-) Musta been thinking of a certain girl group ;-) heh heh, I'm glad you spotted it first. I was like, shall I pull him on that or on his ranting :O)) What rant? You mean "pointing out the bleeding obvious to idiots"? ;-) I'm sorry. I suppose I shouldn't call someone an idiot just because they don't know about something that I do. I know I wouldn't like it :-) So here goes. There *is* a difference between Product Placement (which is actually *illegal* on /any/ TV channel in the EU) and simply having a 'real world' product in any given scene. You should be ashamed, you insensitive person. I will be crying all night now. heh heh -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:02:52 -0000, "Carl Waring"
wrote: What might I see if I did. A box of branded breakfast cereal on a table? Wow! Yeah, that's so completely wrong it can /only/ be PP. Or, perhaps, it's breakfast time and they're, you know, having cereals? :-/ So why is it always one particular brand of cereal that always gets featured? Are no other makes available? Eldorado was another fine example of product placement, with characters virtually thrusting products directly into the camera. -- |
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:20:46 -0000, "Carl Waring"
wrote: So, like I said, there *is* no PP on BBC shows. Doesn't sound like you read that article at all. product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? -- |
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In article ,
says... On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:02:52 -0000, "Carl Waring" wrote: What might I see if I did. A box of branded breakfast cereal on a table? Wow! Yeah, that's so completely wrong it can /only/ be PP. Or, perhaps, it's breakfast time and they're, you know, having cereals? :-/ So why is it always one particular brand of cereal that always gets featured? Are no other makes available? Eldorado was another fine example of product placement, with characters virtually thrusting products directly into the camera. Really? Examples? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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In article ,
says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. Why do the BBC, of all channels, have to say the product name? Even when Embassy stopped sponsoring the snooker after 30 years, the commentators seemed beside themselves about the fact the sponsor was changing. Who ****ing cares who sponsors it? Were they only bothered because they no longer got free tabs out of it? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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In article ,
says... In uk.media.tv.misc Edster wrote: In real life hardly anyone bought one. Even at the height of the BBC's advertising campaign a few Xmases ago they weren't exactly flying off the shelves. I have four. Two table top and two portable. How else is anybody supposed to get a decent reception for Radios 5, 7 and the World Service? Sky box? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 at 14:44:37, Dom Robinson
wrote in uk.media.tv.misc : In article , says... On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 at 21:02:59, Paul Heslop wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : I always understood that the lack of adverts was the main selling point of the Sky Movie Channels - after all, they charge ****ing enough for them! I have the same view for all sky channels, as in ones owned by them not just ones they show. Good point. I wonder how much higher the basic (£21/mth) package would be if Sky were totally advert free? It simply wouldn't happen. A Simpsons episode comfortable fits within the 30- minute slot on Sky One, whereas without ads they'd need to find some other filler. Why should the 30 minute time-slot be sacrosanct? Why not 25 minutes? -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
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Mike Henry wrote:
Edster wrote: Mike Henry wrote: What do you mean, 30x FF doesn't work? Of course it does! TiVo's top speed is 60x FF which works brilliantly, because when you press "play" it winds back to the bit that was flashing past when you pressed it. Ie the software can take your reaction time into account. Yet another great feature that the copy-cat PVRs didn't copy, obviously. How would it know how fast your reaction time is? Ask their software developers. All a TiVo user needs to know it jumps back a bit so that you "land" at the end of the advert break, despite seeing it fly past at high speed and taking time to press a button. So if a user's reaction time is just 0.3 seconds different from the value built into the TiVo, it will wind to a point 0.3 minutes away from the end of the advert break - an error range of 36 seconds. Fliss -- She said: You campaigned for me? Why? You think all this... 'school spirit' stuff is stupid. He said: I never said it was stupid, I said it's beneath you. |
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Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That's not PP; that's event sponsorship and is /nothing/ to do with the channel it is being shown on; especially the BBC. -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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Zero Tolerance wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:20:46 -0000, "Carl Waring" wrote: So, like I said, there *is* no PP on BBC shows. Doesn't sound like you read that article at all. product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", Well yeah. I was talking about the type of PP that others were meaning; it anything /but/ the use of every-day objects in scenes. And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? Indeed there isn't. How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? Hmmm... Alan Sugar's company using his own products? Who'da thunk it! -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
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I once read that subs account for about 87% of Sky revenue, so that leaves
13% made up by ad's and other revenues If they put up the sub's by 13% and stopped showing ad's during the prog's would anyone go for it? B99 "Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 at 21:02:59, Paul Heslop wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : I always understood that the lack of adverts was the main selling point of the Sky Movie Channels - after all, they charge ****ing enough for them! I have the same view for all sky channels, as in ones owned by them not just ones they show. Good point. I wonder how much higher the basic (£21/mth) package would be if Sky were totally advert free? -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
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And "This series is available on DVD for a huge cost!"
"Edster" wrote in message ... Jeff Lawrence wrote: On 20 Mar, 12:42, Krustov wrote: What do you lot prefer - and why . - long advert break ? - short advert break ? How about no ad breaks? That works for me. If only there were TV channels offering such a thing. Cheers Jeff The BBC channels only have adverts for DAB radios and Freeview boxes, and they only show them between programmes. |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:36:56 -0000, "Bingo99"
wrote: If they put up the sub's by 13% and stopped showing ad's during the prog's would anyone go for it? Since that'd only cover the 'Sky' channels and not the legions of other channels like UKTV ****, UKTV **** + 1, UKTV **** 2, etc, I think I'll pass. It's not like it's hard to fast-forward though the ads. Surely nobody watches television 'live' any more anyway. -- |
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:44:38 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote: Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That reminds me, it must be nearly time for Fairy Automatic Children In Need again soon... -- |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:20:29 -0000, "Carl Waring"
wrote: And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? Indeed there isn't. Sorry, it's already been proved that there is. And it's quite alright as long as the programme makers don't "profit" from it. How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? Hmmm... Alan Sugar's company using his own products? Who'da thunk it! Yeah, exactly, do you REALLY think that Alan Sugar's secretary uses a domestic Amstrad [email protected]? And of course it's just coincidence that all of the swanky houses the contestants stay in ALSO have [email protected] as well.... Yes, just a coincidence... -- |
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Brian W wrote:
"Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 at 11:42:11, Krustov wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : What do you lot prefer - and why . - long advert break ? - short advert break ? If I *had* to choose, I'd say longer - as it's less work to edit out fewer, longer breaks than loads of little ones. Yes, agreed. As 95% of what I watch is recorded, it's quite easy to delete out the ads and burn to DVD before watching. A 1-hour programme is only 40 minutes long then. I think programmes that fill a one hour TV schedule slot are made and edited to 44mins length. So 16 mins of any one TV hour are adverts and trailers etc, so that's plenty to cut out if you are editing for DVD-R purposes, in which case less but longer breaks are easier. I use Sky+ myself and don't watch the adverts anyway, so it's swings and roundabouts.. |
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Zero Tolerance wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:36:56 -0000, "Bingo99" wrote: If they put up the sub's by 13% and stopped showing ad's during the prog's would anyone go for it? Since that'd only cover the 'Sky' channels and not the legions of other channels like UKTV ****, UKTV **** + 1, UKTV **** 2, etc, I think I'll pass. It's not like it's hard to fast-forward though the ads. Surely nobody watches television 'live' any more anyway. -- we certainly try not to. My wife absolutely hates the drivel they fill channels with and even when she watches some pap like "I'd do anything" she likes to be able to wind through anything she finds boring. Mind you, she prefers it if I record to our dvd's hard drive and edit out all the ad breaks :O) -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Paul Heslop wrote:
Zero Tolerance wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:36:56 -0000, "Bingo99" wrote: If they put up the sub's by 13% and stopped showing ad's during the prog's would anyone go for it? Since that'd only cover the 'Sky' channels and not the legions of other channels like UKTV ****, UKTV **** + 1, UKTV **** 2, etc, I think I'll pass. It's not like it's hard to fast-forward though the ads. Surely nobody watches television 'live' any more anyway. -- we certainly try not to. My wife absolutely hates the drivel they fill channels with and even when she watches some pap like "I'd do anything" she likes to be able to wind through anything she finds boring. Mind you, she prefers it if I record to our dvd's hard drive and edit out all the ad breaks :O) "And the next person to go is ... [half an hour later] ... after the break ... [half an hour later] ... Gerty!" if they wont just announce the results I won't watch! (Not that I care enough to watch these shows anyway) |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 at 09:36:56, Bingo99 wrote in
uk.media.tv.sky : I once read that subs account for about 87% of Sky revenue, so that leaves 13% made up by ad's and other revenues If they put up the sub's by 13% and stopped showing ad's during the prog's would anyone go for it? Not if they showed them in-between instead... -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
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In article ,
says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That's not PP; that's event sponsorship and is /nothing/ to do with the channel it is being shown on; especially the BBC. But the BBC shouldn't be promoting a product, like it's doing. Look at the time when they couldn't mention the Radio Times without saying "Other listings magazines are available". -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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In article ,
says... On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 at 14:44:37, Dom Robinson wrote in uk.media.tv.misc : In article , says... On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 at 21:02:59, Paul Heslop wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : I always understood that the lack of adverts was the main selling point of the Sky Movie Channels - after all, they charge ****ing enough for them! I have the same view for all sky channels, as in ones owned by them not just ones they show. Good point. I wonder how much higher the basic (£21/mth) package would be if Sky were totally advert free? It simply wouldn't happen. A Simpsons episode comfortable fits within the 30- minute slot on Sky One, whereas without ads they'd need to find some other filler. Why should the 30 minute time-slot be sacrosanct? Why not 25 minutes? Because it's a rare occasion when a primetime programme doesn't start/end on the hour or half-hour and they try to avoid it. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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In article ,
says... "Carl Waring" wrote: So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", Well yeah. I was talking about the type of PP that others were meaning; it anything /but/ the use of every-day objects in scenes. Like DAB radios in every house on Eastenders? Good job they don't build DAB into washing machines... -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 372 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 52 concerts, videos & news /* burnout paradise, simpsons movie, duffy in concert, spiderwick chronicles New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
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"Rob." wrote:
"And the next person to go is ... [half an hour later] ... after the break ... [half an hour later] ... Gerty!" if they wont just announce the results I won't watch! (Not that I care enough to watch these shows anyway) and that Phillip Schofield, why does he have to SHOUT!!!? -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 at 21:36:34, Dom Robinson
wrote in uk.media.tv.sky : Why should the 30 minute time-slot be sacrosanct? Why not 25 minutes? Because it's a rare occasion when a primetime programme doesn't start/end on the hour or half-hour and they try to avoid it. What does that have to do with the length of timeslot on a subscription channel, though? -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , says... Dom Robinson wrote: In article , says... product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! And you say that "there *is* no PP on BBC shows" ? How about 'The Apprentice' ? You think all those Amstrad products turned up on screen by accident? There's so much product placement on TV on all channels, not just the BBC. Coming soon we've got the "Flora London Marathon", then over the year there's also the "888.com World Snooker Championship" and the "Carling FA Cup Final", etc. That's not PP; that's event sponsorship and is /nothing/ to do with the channel it is being shown on; especially the BBC. But the BBC shouldn't be promoting a product, like it's doing. They're not. They're just covering an event. That's it. I think there'd be more of a fuss (certainly from Snooker fans) if they /didn't/ cover the event! -- Carl Waring DigiGuide: Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495 Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495 |
Product Placement in BBC programmmes ( Long or short advert breaks)
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:20:46 -0000, "Carl Waring" wrote: So, like I said, there *is* no PP on BBC shows. Doesn't sound like you read that article at all. product placement is already allowed on British TV (both BBC and commercial channels) to add a sense of realism. But under the current 'free supply' rules programme makers cannot profit from it, and the brand has limited say over how it is featured on screen. So basically as long as the programme makers "don't profit from it", not only can manufacturers of goods and services get their products shown on air (free publicity that is worth many thousands of pounds) but they can even have a limited say in how it is featured! If you're doing the props for a TV show you show the stuff people are most likely to buy. You just go to a supermarket and buy the popular brands. The market leaders. That's how you achieve realism. The same doesn't go for the beer in Stenders or Corrie (although the rules may have been tighter when Corrie started anyway) as there's no one market leader in tied pubs or brewers. Kellogs or Nestle(Shredded Wheat etc) don't pay the BBC anything. If the BBC want to portray "normal" people eating breakfast cereal then they'll be eating either a Kellogs or a Nestle product as they're the market leaders. If they started featuring obscure brands, or identifiable supermarket own brands that weren't market leaders then maybe you'd have a point. As it is you don't. michael adams .... |
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