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HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even
say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" =============== High-definition television to become outdated If you splashed out on a high definition television at Christmas, you're in for some bad news. Japanese broadcasters and the BBC are already working on a successor which promises to deliver pictures in a quality 33 time better than the best HD sets on the market. Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. "It's as if you are actually at the stadium," said Vincent Letang, a senior television analyst at Screen Digest. It gives you an immersive feeling which standard high definition technology simply can't do." Although still a relatively phenomenon, around seven million high- definition television sets were sold in the UK last year. However, Mr Letang said people who bought the sets had not wasted their money because the new technology was not being developed for the average living room. "It's for big screen public broadcasts of concerts and sporting events. It's definitely not for the consumer market" he said. "The improved quality won't be noticeable on a regular sized TV sets so people who have just bought high-definition sets really don't need to worry." Masuru Kanazawa, a research engineer at NHK's Science and Technical Research Laboratory, agreed that format might not be suitable for the average viewer. "It requires a screen size of at least 60 inches which means there are limits on the usage of the system," he said. "It will depend on the viewing situation. Watching fast-moving images at close quarters could make people feel sick." A spokesman for the BBC said: "We are collaborating with NHK with the possibility of using the technology for the big screen. It is not something for the average home." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../11/nhd111.xml |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" Screens way in excess of HD quality have been available for a long time. The determining factor is the mass market availability and the broadcast material able to be displayed on them. The technogical limits are bascially irrelevant. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
On Mar 11, 3:14*pm, "Mark Hewitt" wrote:
"Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" Screens way in excess of HD quality have been available for a long time. The determining factor is the mass market availability and the broadcast material able to be displayed on them. The technogical limits are bascially irrelevant. This is why I dont buy any newspapers any more. Even the broadsheets are full of **** like this. Basically the entire article is rubbish, HDTVs are not defunct. (Although we could easily get into the 1080 argument) Nicole martin would be far better employed explaining the benefits of this system for large screen presentations than making up rubbish about how people that bought HDTVs have wasted their money |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Ed" wrote in message ... Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. That, "every bead of sweat and straining" ? Were they including the England cricket team in that description ? |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" =============== High-definition television to become outdated If you splashed out on a high definition television at Christmas, you're in for some bad news. Japanese broadcasters and the BBC are already working on a successor which promises to deliver pictures in a quality 33 time better than the best HD sets on the market. Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. "It's as if you are actually at the stadium," It's as good as being at stadium now. Are we relly supposed to believe that joe public in the last row of the stands can see every drop of sweat and straining muscle on the guy doing the high jump 100 metres away? tim |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" =============== High-definition television to become outdated If you splashed out on a high definition television at Christmas, you're in for some bad news. Japanese broadcasters and the BBC are already working on a successor which promises to deliver pictures in a quality 33 time better than the best HD sets on the market. given how many decades HDTV existed before launching in the uk, i'd venture that i will be retired before this one sees the light of day here. -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"tim (not at home)" wrote in message ... "Ed" wrote in message ... Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. "It's as if you are actually at the stadium," It's as good as being at stadium now. Are we relly supposed to believe that joe public in the last row of the stands can see every drop of sweat and straining muscle on the guy doing the high jump 100 metres away? No, of course not. No-one goes to a stadium to see anything but just to say they were there. Since they could do that anyway, it's always seemed a bit pointless to me, but there you go. Anyway, the more enlightened stadia have big screens so that you can see what you can't see. So, if those big screens are in super HD and show every drop of sweat and straining muscle, I suppose sitting at home and watching it on an HD TV could reasonably be said to be as if you were actually at the stadium. Except you'd be £70 or so richer. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in message ... "Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" =============== High-definition television to become outdated If you splashed out on a high definition television at Christmas, you're in for some bad news. Japanese broadcasters and the BBC are already working on a successor which promises to deliver pictures in a quality 33 time better than the best HD sets on the market. given how many decades HDTV existed before launching in the uk, i'd venture that i will be retired before this one sees the light of day here. If it's 33 times better than HD, that means it will require something like 1089 times the bandwidth of HD, doesn't it? Or 4356 times the bandwidth required for one SD channel transmission. Can't see many of them coming on Freeview then. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
Ed wrote:
... Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. ... Resolution of 7,680 x 4,320 apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video Seems a bit of an overkill. Cinema audience research has shown that in digital cinemas, people don't really notice if they're being shown a 2K (2048x1080) or a 4K (4096x2160) film. -- Dave Farrance |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
Ed wrote:
Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. ewwwwwww! glad Linford has packed it in :O) -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:25:31 -0700 (PDT), Ed
wrote: On Mar 11, 3:14*pm, "Mark Hewitt" wrote: "Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" Screens way in excess of HD quality have been available for a long time. The determining factor is the mass market availability and the broadcast material able to be displayed on them. The technogical limits are bascially irrelevant. This is why I dont buy any newspapers any more. Even the broadsheets are full of **** like this. Basically the entire article is rubbish, HDTVs are not defunct. (Although we could easily get into the 1080 argument) Nicole martin would be far better employed explaining the benefits of this system for large screen presentations than making up rubbish about how people that bought HDTVs have wasted their money You took the words right out of my mouth. I read the article thinking exactly what you just said. Here here, my boy! Marky P. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... If it's 33 times better than HD, that means it will require something like 1089 times the bandwidth of HD, doesn't it? Or 4356 times the bandwidth required for one SD channel transmission. Can't see many of them coming on Freeview then. imagine how powerful processors will be in 20 years time - by then compression schemes will be feasible that make H264 seem like ancient history. -- Gareth. That fly... is your magic wand. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public
broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. That's going to be a very expensive three weeks of curling and low quality football... |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
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@y77g2000hsy.googlegroups.com, says... "It's as if you are actually at the stadium," said Vincent Letang, a senior television analyst at Screen Digest. It gives you an immersive feeling which standard high definition technology simply can't do." Note the words "standard high definition". Oh, the irony! :) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 371 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news /* spiderwick chronicles, socom psp, tron, syphon filter, pursuit force 2 New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
In article ,
says... "Ed" wrote in message ... Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. That, "every bead of sweat and straining" ? Were they including the England cricket team in that description ? I thought it was about the fortcoming "Celebrities On The Toilet", when one of them's got constipation. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 371 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news /* spiderwick chronicles, socom psp, tron, syphon filter, pursuit force 2 New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:08:28 -0700 (PDT), Ed
wrote: Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. Of course it took The Grauniad to point out that they can currently only store 20 minutes of footage on their test system and they don't even envision broadcasting over the airwaves until 2025. I think anyone with a new HDTV can rest easy in their bed. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
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HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
ChrisM wrote:
In message , Paul Heslop Proclaimed from the tallest tower: Ed wrote: Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. ewwwwwww! glad Linford has packed it in :O) That's what he was (in)famous for wasn't it... I think he could run a bit too :O) -- Paul (We won't die of devotion) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in message ... "Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" =============== High-definition television to become outdated If you splashed out on a high definition television at Christmas, you're in for some bad news. Japanese broadcasters and the BBC are already working on a successor which promises to deliver pictures in a quality 33 time better than the best HD sets on the market. given how many decades HDTV existed before launching in the uk, i'd venture that i will be retired before this one sees the light of day here. It will be smudged with DOG **** and then over compressed, which is something even 1970s PAL TV pictures didn't succumb too. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Dave Farrance" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: ... Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. ... Resolution of 7,680 x 4,320 apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video Seems a bit of an overkill. Cinema audience research has shown that in digital cinemas, people don't really notice if they're being shown a 2K (2048x1080) or a 4K (4096x2160) film. -- Dave Farrance And a lot of people with "HD" screens think that they are getting high definition just by buying the set. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:52:24 -0000, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote: "Norman Wells" wrote in message ... If it's 33 times better than HD, that means it will require something like 1089 times the bandwidth of HD, doesn't it? Or 4356 times the bandwidth required for one SD channel transmission. Can't see many of them coming on Freeview then. imagine how powerful processors will be in 20 years time - by then compression schemes will be feasible that make H264 seem like ancient history. Not so. As compression improves further improvement is subject to the law of diminishing returns, so that (for instance) the first 10% requires a doubled processor speed, but the next 5% requires a 10x faster one. Also, there are theoretical limits to compressability that even an infinitely fast processor couldn't improve on. Bandwidth is different, and optical fibre from end to end seems to me like one of the best bets for the biggest improvements in the foreseeable future, given radio spectrum congestion. -- http://www.robinfaichney.org/ |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
In article ,
says... "Dave Farrance" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: ... Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. ... Resolution of 7,680 x 4,320 apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video Seems a bit of an overkill. Cinema audience research has shown that in digital cinemas, people don't really notice if they're being shown a 2K (2048x1080) or a 4K (4096x2160) film. And a lot of people with "HD" screens think that they are getting high definition just by buying the set. Add to that all those people who thought that just buying a 16:9 TV made *everything* widescreen, even 14:9 analogue programmes stretched across them (!) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 371 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news /* spiderwick chronicles, socom psp, tron, syphon filter, pursuit force 2 New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Dave Farrance" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: ... Super Hi-Vision is currently being tested by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, but the BBC is planning to use the technology to screen the 2012 Olympics on big screens in city centres across the UK. ... Resolution of 7,680 x 4,320 apparently. Which is only 16x better than 1920x1080, not 33x. And some 30 Megapixels, equivalent to a medium format still camera. You'd need a screen size 4 times the width and 4 times the height of a HD screen seen at optimum distance. In order words, could completely fill one wall of your living room. Sounds pretty good! Seems a bit of an overkill. Cinema audience research has shown that in digital cinemas, people don't really notice if they're being shown a 2K (2048x1080) or a 4K (4096x2160) film. But you're still looking from some way off. The new resolution gives you a field of view some 128 x 72 degrees. Probably better than IMax. All that's needed is stereo/3D. -- Bart |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:56:47 GMT, Dave Farrance
wrote: Resolution of 7,680 x 4,320 apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video Personally I wish the TV/Movie industry would look into higher frame rates rather than keep on upping the resolution. Movies at 24fps do my eyes in on tracking shots, 60fps would make me muck happier than super eyeball resolution. -- Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
On 11 Mar, 18:22, "Norman Wells" wrote: "tim (not at home)" wrote: "Ed" wrote in message Experts say the new format could revolutionise the way in which people watch big sporting events, with every bead of sweat and straining muscle broadcast in perfect quality. "It's as if you are actually at the stadium," It's as good as being at stadium now. Are we relly supposed to believe that joe public in the last row of the stands can see every drop of sweat and straining muscle on the guy doing the high jump 100 metres away? No, of course not. No-one goes to a stadium to see anything but just to say they were there. Since they could do that anyway, it's always seemed a bit pointless to me, but there you go. Anyway, the more enlightened stadia have big screens so that you can see what you can't see. So, if those big screens are in super HD and show every drop of sweat and straining muscle, I suppose sitting at home and watching it on an HD TV could reasonably be said to be as if you were actually at the stadium. Except you'd be £70 or so richer. What a load of balls. I regularly go and watch football, and I can see how the whole game plays out, not merely what the director has decided to show me. Much of the time the director focuses on where the ball is, but there is so much more going on elsewhere, out of shot. Football coverage on TV these days is of a high quality, but it can still be quite frustrating not knowing what's going on outside of the shot on screen. At football matches in England there are big screens but they only show replays of shots on goal, and do not show any contentious incidents. |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
In article ,
says... What a load of balls. I regularly go and watch football, and I can see how the whole game plays out, not merely what the director has decided to show me. Much of the time the director focuses on where the ball is, but there is so much more going on elsewhere, out of shot. Football coverage on TV these days is of a high quality, but it can still be quite frustrating not knowing what's going on outside of the shot on screen. I think both parts of the coverage hold equal value... At football matches in England there are big screens but they only show replays of shots on goal, and do not show any contentious incidents. Presumably, such as the moments where a bunch of footballers join together to rape some drunken girl who's hoping she can sell her story to the press the next morning? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 1136 DVDs, 371 games, 401 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news /* spiderwick chronicles, socom psp, tron, syphon filter, pursuit force 2 New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom |
HD TVs "soon to be defunct"
"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... "the dog from that film you saw" wrote in message ... "Ed" wrote in message ... Even the Torygraph can do Daily Mail style scaremongering. They even say in the article "these sets will not be for the domestic market - ut requires a screen size of at least 60 inches" =============== High-definition television to become outdated If you splashed out on a high definition television at Christmas, you're in for some bad news. Japanese broadcasters and the BBC are already working on a successor which promises to deliver pictures in a quality 33 time better than the best HD sets on the market. given how many decades HDTV existed before launching in the uk, i'd venture that i will be retired before this one sees the light of day here. If it's 33 times better than HD, that means it will require something like 1089 times the bandwidth of HD, doesn't it? Or 4356 times the bandwidth required for one SD channel transmission. Can't see many of them coming on Freeview then. In current terms, you'd probably get about 5 minutes of material on a dual-layer Blu-Ray disc |
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