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Mark[_5_] February 15th 08 04:00 PM

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:11:56 -0800 (PST), The Real Zarbiface
wrote:

On 15 Feb, 09:35, Mark wrote:


I have given up complaining about DOGs, IPPs, and other graphiti on
screen. It doesn't do any good any more. "They" have decided and are
not willing to listen to viewers.



The problem is that despite sensible complaints that I'm sure yours
was, it's ranting nutter letters from people like Aggy that will
convince the BBC that the anti-DOGs are all loonies.


I would assume that most of the complaints were "sensible".

I just don't watch these channels any more because they spoil my
enjoyment of the TV programmes.


It's a *little* distracting I agree, but I don't find it spoils my
enjoyment. I hardly notice it after a while. Ignoring the DOG is just
as easy as ignoring the "on" switch or any items of furniture next to
the tv.


YMMV I guess. I find them *very* distracting. Since watching TV is
still optional I chose not to watch ;-)


Once BBC1 starts the same, I will cancel my TV license and find
something better to do.

M.


And give up all your DVDs as well?


No. It is not difficult to get round this one.

M.

hulahoop February 15th 08 04:40 PM

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On Feb 15, 2:47*pm, The Real Zarbiface
wrote:
On 15 Feb, 13:48, " wrote:





On 15 Feb, 13:12, Paul Murray wrote:


On 2008-02-14, Agamemnon wrote:


On the other hand perhaps you could perform a simple experiment. On a clear
day stare directly at the sun and then look away and tell us if you can see
anything in the middle of you field of view apart from a dark shadow.. This
is exactly what happens when a DOG is displayed on you TV. The area where
the DOG is placed will be burned by the electrons just like your retina is
burned by the photons from the sun and will not function properly. If you
continue staring at the sun for longer than a split second you will be
blinded so just imagine what is happening to your TV in the area the DOG
appears all the time the TV is switched on. And just like the sun will burn
your retina so will a DOG which appears in exactly the same place on your TV
screen all the time.


Yes, because the brightness of my TV set is exactly the same as the brightness
of the sun. Oh, wait...


Aggy is, as ever, living in a permanent state of confusion. The sun
damages the retina not because of photons entering it (which occurs
anywhere there's light), but because of the high energy of photons
arriving at one's eyes directly from the sun - as such the damage is
actually caused by heat rather than light, and images on a television
screen aren't close to being energetic enough to fry the eyes or
indeed a phosphor screen.


As for static digital images becoming permanently imprinted on
screens, this is after all the reason screensavers were invented, but
it tends to affect only primitive monitors and even those can usually
be safely left on with a test card image overnight - it is simply not
an issue for a 50-minute program, and DOGs usually disappear between
programmes and during commercials. Plasma is unaffected and it is
normally temporary in LCDs.


Phil


Interesting stuff. What's the betting Aggy responds using the words
"FOOL", "IMBECILE" and that old favourite "YOU IGNORANT" but failing
to prove his case. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Very interesting indeed and why should we expect Aggy to let the facts
get in the way of his ranting?

The sad thing is, I can't stand the new BBC Three DOG either, but I am
confident that in this age of short attention span and rapid
rebranding, it will change soon enough before I get too annoyed with
it

Regards

Ged

[email protected] February 15th 08 06:32 PM

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On 15 Feb, 16:36, Edster wrote:
"Stephen Wilson" wrote:
This is not true of DOGs. Either on LCD screens (because LCDs don't have
phosphor) or on CRT screens (because the DOGs are like watermarks and are
transparent). And even if you have an old CRT style TV tuned into a channel
that used a non-transparent DOG, it would have to be displaying such a
station for several hours continuously.


What's wrong with watching the same channel for several hours?


Nothing's 'wrong' with it - it's just that as most programmes only
last an hour, and the overwhelming majority of output on most channels
is either crap or of restricted interest, finding yourself watching
more than a couple of programmes in a row seems unlikely to be a
common occurrence.

Would
it really be that unusual a thing to do? I only watch BBC1 now,
because it's the only channel that hasn't started putting writing all
over the screen yet.


That seems an odd measure of quality - does it compensate for the fact
that, aside from shows pulled from BBC2 (like Doctor Who) and those
which belong there (like Life in Cold Blood), BBC1's output is pretty
much universally as dire as ITV's?

Phil

Stephen Wilson[_3_] February 15th 08 07:52 PM

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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In ,
The Real Zarbiface wrote:

On 15 Feb, 09:35, Mark wrote:
Once BBC1 starts the same, I will cancel my TV license and find
something better to do.

And give up all your DVDs as well?


Non sequitur. You don't need a TV licence just to watch DVDs, play games
on a console etc.


You need a TV license as long as you own any piece of equipment that
contains a tuner.



charles February 15th 08 08:01 PM

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In article ,
Stephen Wilson wrote:

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In ,
The Real Zarbiface wrote:

On 15 Feb, 09:35, Mark wrote:
Once BBC1 starts the same, I will cancel my TV license and find
something better to do.

And give up all your DVDs as well?


Non sequitur. You don't need a TV licence just to watch DVDs, play games
on a console etc.


You need a TV license as long as you own any piece of equipment that
contains a tuner.


we've had this befo no, you don't if it is not "installed" for reception.

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11


alan holmes February 15th 08 09:00 PM

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"Agamemnon" wrote in message
...
Complaint to the BBC and to the Torchwood production team.

On tuning in to watch the new episode of Torchwood the DOG was made even


What on earth is Torchwood?

Alan



Agamemnon February 15th 08 09:00 PM

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"The Real Zarbiface" wrote in message
...
On 14 Feb, 23:49, "Stephen Wilson"
wrote:

Thanks for the explanation Stephen.


So. Is your TV of the CRT or LCD type? Do you leave your TV tuned into a
station that uses solid DOGs for hours at a time?


CRT but I never sit for hours on end watching tv anyway. Who does,
apart from Billy No-Mates like Aggy or The Royale Family? ;-)

Mountain out of a mole hill as taught by Aggs.


As I thought. I was particularly amused by his threat not to watch
BBC3 again. As if the BBC give a toss if some nutjob stops watching,
when viewing figures are only estimated anyway.


No, they don't give a stuff if you stop watching you gay immature teenager.



Agamemnon February 15th 08 09:02 PM

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wrote in message
...
On 15 Feb, 07:17, The Real Zarbiface
wrote:
On 14 Feb, 23:49, "Stephen Wilson"

wrote:

Thanks for the explanation Stephen.



So. Is your TV of the CRT or LCD type? Do you leave your TV tuned into
a
station that uses solid DOGs for hours at a time?


CRT but I never sit for hours on end watching tv anyway. Who does,
apart from Billy No-Mates like Aggy or The Royale Family? ;-)

Mountain out of a mole hill as taught by Aggs.


As I thought. I was particularly amused by his threat not to watch
BBC3 again. As if the BBC give a toss if some nutjob stops watching,
when viewing figures are only estimated anyway.


Sad, isn't it? By now it's an automatic presumption that anything Aggy
says which he professes to be factual is incorrect, and when you
actually look into it you find this presumption borne out close to
100% of the time. You have to put effort in to be so consistently
wrong about so many things.


Look whose talking. The idiot that thinks that having a built in digital
tuner means you can record Freeview, Satellite and Cable on just one box.
YOU IGNORANT IMBECILE!

Nothing you say has any credibility here.


Phil




Dave Farrance February 15th 08 09:21 PM

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"alan holmes" wrote:

"Agamemnon" wrote in message
On tuning in to watch the new episode of Torchwood the DOG was made even


What on earth is Torchwood?


Also known as the Burseraceae, which is a genetically supported
monophyletic group currently and frequently cited within the Sapindales
and is recognized as a sister group to the Anacardiaceae.

Hope that helps.

--
Dave Farrance

Agamemnon February 15th 08 09:29 PM

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wrote in message
...
On 15 Feb, 13:12, Paul Murray wrote:
On 2008-02-14, Agamemnon wrote:

On the other hand perhaps you could perform a simple experiment. On a
clear
day stare directly at the sun and then look away and tell us if you can
see
anything in the middle of you field of view apart from a dark shadow.
This
is exactly what happens when a DOG is displayed on you TV. The area
where
the DOG is placed will be burned by the electrons just like your retina
is
burned by the photons from the sun and will not function properly. If
you
continue staring at the sun for longer than a split second you will be
blinded so just imagine what is happening to your TV in the area the
DOG
appears all the time the TV is switched on. And just like the sun will
burn
your retina so will a DOG which appears in exactly the same place on
your TV
screen all the time.


Yes, because the brightness of my TV set is exactly the same as the
brightness
of the sun. Oh, wait...


Aggy is, as ever, living in a permanent state of confusion. The sun
damages the retina not because of photons entering it (which occurs
anywhere there's light), but because of the high energy of photons


Oh, so you mean UV and X-Rays, high energy photons. Or are you talking about
intensity?

arriving at one's eyes directly from the sun - as such the damage is


The photons from the sun have the same energy as the photons from any other
source of visible light. The fact is that they are more intense than most
other sources but you can still burn your retina by looking directly into a
100W light bulb from close range. Do that all the time and you will damage
it permanently beyond its ability to recover.

actually caused by heat rather than light, and images on a television
screen aren't close to being energetic enough to fry the eyes or
indeed a phosphor screen.


IGNORANT IDIOT! Get an education and learn how TV's work. They produce
photons by means of phosphor being hit by a beam of electrons. Every time
the phosphor is hit part of it decays. If an image like a DOG is constantly
displayed in the same place all the time the phosphor in that area will
decay more than the phosphor elsewhere which is why TV's should only display
constantly changing images so the phosphor decay is even. Uneven phosphor
decay is called burn in you IMBECILE!

Plasma displays work on exactly the same principle but the electrons hitting
the phosphor come from a plasma.


As for static digital images becoming permanently imprinted on
screens, this is after all the reason screensavers were invented, but
it tends to affect only primitive monitors and even those can usually
be safely left on with a test card image overnight - it is simply not


IDIOT! Go try doing it every night and see what happens.

an issue for a 50-minute program, and DOGs usually disappear between
programmes and during commercials. Plasma is unaffected and it is
normally temporary in LCDs.


You are talking out of your arsehole again and making it up as you go along
you LYING IGNORANT FOOL!

Over time the exposure to the DOG will build up and it will burn an image on
your screen. OLED screens being the most affected followed by Plasma
screens. Even LCD's are affected since the electrical components are worn
out faster and the dye decays faster in the area the DOG is place.


Phil




The Real Zarbiface February 15th 08 09:54 PM

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On 15 Feb, 20:02, "Agamemnon" wrote:

YOU IGNORANT IMBECILE!


LOL! Just as predicted. :)

[email protected] February 15th 08 10:23 PM

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On 15 Feb, 20:02, "Agamemnon" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On 15 Feb, 07:17, The Real Zarbiface
wrote:
On 14 Feb, 23:49, "Stephen Wilson"


wrote:


Thanks for the explanation Stephen.


So. Is your TV of the CRT or LCD type? Do you leave your TV tuned into
a
station that uses solid DOGs for hours at a time?


CRT but I never sit for hours on end watching tv anyway. Who does,
apart from Billy No-Mates like Aggy or The Royale Family? ;-)


Mountain out of a mole hill as taught by Aggs.


As I thought. I was particularly amused by his threat not to watch
BBC3 again. As if the BBC give a toss if some nutjob stops watching,
when viewing figures are only estimated anyway.


Sad, isn't it? By now it's an automatic presumption that anything Aggy
says which he professes to be factual is incorrect, and when you
actually look into it you find this presumption borne out close to
100% of the time. You have to put effort in to be so consistently
wrong about so many things.


Look whose talking. The idiot that thinks that having a built in digital
tuner means you can record Freeview, Satellite and Cable on just one box.


What? When have I ever had anything at all to say about freeview,
satellite or cable? I barely know the difference between them and care
less.

Phil

[email protected] February 15th 08 10:46 PM

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On 15 Feb, 20:29, "Agamemnon" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On 15 Feb, 13:12, Paul Murray wrote:
On 2008-02-14, Agamemnon wrote:


On the other hand perhaps you could perform a simple experiment. On a
clear
day stare directly at the sun and then look away and tell us if you can
see
anything in the middle of you field of view apart from a dark shadow.
This
is exactly what happens when a DOG is displayed on you TV. The area
where
the DOG is placed will be burned by the electrons just like your retina
is
burned by the photons from the sun and will not function properly. If
you
continue staring at the sun for longer than a split second you will be
blinded so just imagine what is happening to your TV in the area the
DOG
appears all the time the TV is switched on. And just like the sun will
burn
your retina so will a DOG which appears in exactly the same place on
your TV
screen all the time.


Yes, because the brightness of my TV set is exactly the same as the
brightness
of the sun. Oh, wait...


Aggy is, as ever, living in a permanent state of confusion. The sun
damages the retina not because of photons entering it (which occurs
anywhere there's light), but because of the high energy of photons


Oh, so you mean UV and X-Rays, high energy photons. Or are you talking about
intensity?


No, I'm talking about heat energy - didn't you once say you had a
degree in physics? You ought to have an idea what heat is - the energy
released by the motion of particles. More energetic particles are
hotter. The point is, it is not the light that damages the retina, but
the heat.

actually caused by heat rather than light, and images on a television
screen aren't close to being energetic enough to fry the eyes or
indeed a phosphor screen.


IGNORANT IDIOT! Get an education and learn how TV's work. They produce
photons by means of phosphor being hit by a beam of electrons. Every time
the phosphor is hit part of it decays. If an image like a DOG is constantly
displayed in the same place all the time the phosphor in that area will
decay more than the phosphor elsewhere which is why TV's should only display
constantly changing images so the phosphor decay is even. Uneven phosphor
decay is called burn in you IMBECILE!


No, that's not quite how it works. It's more like a fuse blowing -
discolouration caused by overheating (hence the name 'burn-in'). But
the point is (a) it's not in any way a comparable process with the
retina being damaged by exposure to sunlight, and (b) phosphor burn-in
is not an issue with DOGs. No one denies that the phenomenon exists,
but even in the days of testcards and pre-screensaver computer
monitors, it was rare and could be avoided all but completely by
following basic manufacturor's recommendations to turn the machine off
at night - even prolonged use in the daytime with a static image (like
a window on a computer screen) was safe. This is why you don't get
phosphor burn-in from the Windows task bar even when you don't hide
it.

As for static digital images becoming permanently imprinted on
screens, this is after all the reason screensavers were invented, but
it tends to affect only primitive monitors and even those can usually
be safely left on with a test card image overnight - it is simply not


IDIOT! Go try doing it every night and see what happens.


As above, I never suggested it couldn't happen if done every night,
but to use your adnittedly weak analogy with the sun, there's a
difference between staring at the sun for a second and doing so for
ten hours straight. A DOG on a TV screen is exposed for less time, and
less frequently, than the taskbar on Windows computers, and burn-in
simply isn't an issue - not on phosphor or plasma displays, not on LCD
displays like my laptop's.

Phil

PnakotusExchangeStudent February 15th 08 11:53 PM

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Once BBC1 starts the same, I will cancel my TV license and find
something better to do.


And give up all your DVDs as well?


Non sequitur. You don't need a TV licence just to watch DVDs, play games
on a console etc.


You need a TV license as long as you own any piece of equipment that
contains a tuner.


You guys have to have licences to have TVs in the UK? Crazy. No such
thing here in the US.

Agamemnon February 16th 08 12:40 AM

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wrote in message
...
On 15 Feb, 20:29, "Agamemnon" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On 15 Feb, 13:12, Paul Murray wrote:
On 2008-02-14, Agamemnon wrote:


On the other hand perhaps you could perform a simple experiment. On
a
clear
day stare directly at the sun and then look away and tell us if you
can
see
anything in the middle of you field of view apart from a dark
shadow.
This
is exactly what happens when a DOG is displayed on you TV. The area
where
the DOG is placed will be burned by the electrons just like your
retina
is
burned by the photons from the sun and will not function properly.
If
you
continue staring at the sun for longer than a split second you will
be
blinded so just imagine what is happening to your TV in the area the
DOG
appears all the time the TV is switched on. And just like the sun
will
burn
your retina so will a DOG which appears in exactly the same place on
your TV
screen all the time.


Yes, because the brightness of my TV set is exactly the same as the
brightness
of the sun. Oh, wait...


Aggy is, as ever, living in a permanent state of confusion. The sun
damages the retina not because of photons entering it (which occurs
anywhere there's light), but because of the high energy of photons


Oh, so you mean UV and X-Rays, high energy photons. Or are you talking
about
intensity?


No, I'm talking about heat energy - didn't you once say you had a
degree in physics? You ought to have an idea what heat is - the energy
released by the motion of particles. More energetic particles are


The what? Explain to me how energy is released by the motion of particles?

hotter. The point is, it is not the light that damages the retina, but
the heat.


How does this heat get to the retina? You do know that infra red radiation
cannot penetrate the eye because it is absorbed by the liquid inside it.

Visible light which penetrates the eye causes chemical reactions in the
retina and the more intense the light the more of these chemical reactions
there are and it is these chemical reactions which destroy the retina by
consuming it after the reactants which enable the retina to detect light are
used up before they can be replaced. Heat, and you have yet to define it is
merely a by-product.


actually caused by heat rather than light, and images on a television
screen aren't close to being energetic enough to fry the eyes or
indeed a phosphor screen.


IGNORANT IDIOT! Get an education and learn how TV's work. They produce
photons by means of phosphor being hit by a beam of electrons. Every time
the phosphor is hit part of it decays. If an image like a DOG is
constantly
displayed in the same place all the time the phosphor in that area will
decay more than the phosphor elsewhere which is why TV's should only
display
constantly changing images so the phosphor decay is even. Uneven phosphor
decay is called burn in you IMBECILE!


No, that's not quite how it works. It's more like a fuse blowing -
discolouration caused by overheating (hence the name 'burn-in'). But


You are talking about a different kind of burn in. The burn in cause by DOGs
is not instantaneous like a fuse blowing but is caused by progressive
degeneration of the phosphor.

the point is (a) it's not in any way a comparable process with the
retina being damaged by exposure to sunlight,


YES IT IS. Look at the sun and then close your eyes and you will see an
after image. Fire a bunch of electrons at a phosphor screen and the switch
of the source and it still keeps emitting light. Not open your eyes and look
at the sky and you will see a dark area in the position where you looked at
the sun. Do the same with the phosphor screen by firing another bunch of
electrons over a wider area and the part of the screen you fired the
electrons at first will give off less light than the other parts of the
screen. The more you expose the phosphor to the electrons the less light it
will emit until it will ultimately emit no light at all because it has been
consumed. Do the same with your eyes by staring at the sun all the time any
you will go blind. My old computer monitor which is over a decade old can
barley display a visible picture even at maximum brightness and contrast. On
top of that the image now tinted green because the other phosphors have
suffered more decay. My sisters old TV which is over a decade old has also
become tinted green, so was my other CRT computer monitor which was only 2
years old when it started going green.

and (b) phosphor burn-in
is not an issue with DOGs. No one denies that the phenomenon exists,


YES IT IS!

but even in the days of testcards and pre-screensaver computer
monitors, it was rare and could be avoided all but completely by
following basic manufacturor's recommendations to turn the machine off
at night -


BULL****!

About 25 years ago every single monitor at Nene Collage had the main log on
screen burned into it and these were tunred off over night so you are
talking ABSOLUTE CRAP. At about the same time every TV on display in the
local TV shops had the test card burned into it and those were also turned
of when the shops closed.

even prolonged use in the daytime with a static image (like
a window on a computer screen) was safe. This is why you don't get
phosphor burn-in from the Windows task bar even when you don't hide
it.


WRONG! The Windows task bar is a long grey rectangle, not bright white and
pink logo like the BBC3 dog so the burn in is less noticeable and even then
modern CRT computer monitors are designed to be dimmer than TV screens so
that they suffer less from burn in.


As for static digital images becoming permanently imprinted on
screens, this is after all the reason screensavers were invented, but
it tends to affect only primitive monitors and even those can usually
be safely left on with a test card image overnight - it is simply not


IDIOT! Go try doing it every night and see what happens.


As above, I never suggested it couldn't happen if done every night,
but to use your adnittedly weak analogy with the sun, there's a
difference between staring at the sun for a second and doing so for
ten hours straight. A DOG on a TV screen is exposed for less time, and
less frequently, than the taskbar on Windows computers, and burn-in
simply isn't an issue - not on phosphor or plasma displays, not on LCD
displays like my laptop's.



A TV is NOT a computer monitor. TV screens are 100 times brighter than
computer monitor screens and Plasma displays are destroyed by even an hours
exposure displaying a bright DOG.



Phil




The Real Zarbiface February 16th 08 12:49 AM

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On 15 Feb, 23:40, "Agamemnon" wrote:


Digest version of Aggy's post:

IGNORANT IDIOT!
IMBECILE!
YES IT IS.
YES IT IS!
BULL****!
ABSOLUTE CRAP.
WRONG!
IDIOT!
DOG



J G Miller[_3_] February 16th 08 01:22 AM

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:53:02 -0800, PnakotusExchangeStudent wrote:

You guys have to have licences to have TVs in the UK?

Well were did you think the GBP 3 billion comes from to fund the BBC?

Every household which operates a TV for reception purposes is required to
own a licence. The licence covers multiple receivers within the household
at that location, and as far as I am aware, battery operated receivers
from that household at other locations.

No such thing here in the US.

But there are pledge drives instead.


Kennedy McEwen February 16th 08 02:13 AM

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In article , Edster
writes

You need a TV license as long as you own any piece of equipment that
contains a tuner.


That will rule out most TV sets after they switch off the analogue
transmissions.


but not the set top boxes - the license is for reception, not display.
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

Kennedy McEwen February 16th 08 02:58 AM

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In article
,
PnakotusExchangeStudent writes

You guys have to have licences to have TVs in the UK?


Not to "have" TVs, but to receive broadcast material.

Crazy. No such
thing here in the US.


You think that's crazy?

There is no such thing as the "BBC" in Merkin-land at all. "PBS" in the
US is a mere shadow of the BBC and mainly transmits other country's
(mainly bought BBC output) educational material.

You have, in the words of Pink Floyd's Roger Waters: "Fifty two channels
of **** on the TV and nothing to choose from".

You assholes are where the misconception that "choice" is an aspiration
came from. It isn't. What's crazy is where that misconception has got
you today:
1. A POW loser (shot down failing to do his job)
2. A sexually inadequate housewife (any woman could do her job better)
3. A nobody with no policies and no political acumen (wtf is his job,
apart from morning post-boy?)

You should have learned after 16 years of freeloading, lying, wife
cheating, draft dodging nothings at the helm - but choice isn't all its
cracked up to be.

Yes we need a license to receive TV in this country - if nothing else,
to watch the best comedy show on earth: you assholes choosing a
"president" from that trio of ****heads.

We thank whichever God we worship (and THAT is freedom) that we do!
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

[email protected] February 16th 08 09:22 AM

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On 15 Feb, 22:26, Edster wrote:
" wrote:
On 15 Feb, 16:36, Edster wrote:
"Stephen Wilson" wrote:
This is not true of DOGs. Either on LCD screens (because LCDs don't have
phosphor) or on CRT screens (because the DOGs are like watermarks and are
transparent). And even if you have an old CRT style TV tuned into a channel
that used a non-transparent DOG, it would have to be displaying such a
station for several hours continuously.


What's wrong with watching the same channel for several hours?


Nothing's 'wrong' with it - it's just that as most programmes only
last an hour, and the overwhelming majority of output on most channels
is either crap or of restricted interest, finding yourself watching
more than a couple of programmes in a row seems unlikely to be a
common occurrence.


Would
it really be that unusual a thing to do? I only watch BBC1 now,
because it's the only channel that hasn't started putting writing all
over the screen yet.


That seems an odd measure of quality - does it compensate for the fact
that, aside from shows pulled from BBC2 (like Doctor Who) and those
which belong there (like Life in Cold Blood), BBC1's output is pretty
much universally as dire as ITV's?


Phil


But it doesn't have writing all over it, whereas ITV does. That's the
crucial difference.


I'm still not going to watch Eastenders just because it doesn't have
writing on it, any more than I watched Coronation Street before ITV
added writing to it. I gave up on ITV long before DOGs became all the
rage.

Phil

NormanCastle February 16th 08 12:17 PM

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"The Real Zarbiface" wrote in message
...
On 15 Feb, 23:40, "Agamemnon" wrote:


Digest version of Aggy's post:

IGNORANT IDIOT!
IMBECILE!
YES IT IS.
YES IT IS!
BULL****!
ABSOLUTE CRAP.
WRONG!
IDIOT!
DOG



Initial script outline for a Kato Tato Show perhaps?



J G Miller[_3_] February 16th 08 02:29 PM

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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:58:09 +0000, Kennedy McEwen wrote:
There is no such thing as the "BBC" in Merkin-land at all.

You obviously have never heard of "BBC America", operated by
BBC Worldwide and replete with commercials, generating revenue
for the BBC.

It is left as an exercise to the reader as to why do you feel it
necessary to direct such insulting invective at a poster who merely
expresses his opinion?

[email protected] February 16th 08 03:55 PM

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On 16 Feb, 01:58, Kennedy McEwen wrote:
In article
,
PnakotusExchangeStudent writes



You guys have to have licences to have TVs in the UK?


Not to "have" TVs, but to receive broadcast material.

Crazy. No such
thing here in the US.


You think that's crazy?


snip

Well done. Even Aggy hadn't yet managed to turn a thread about TV
graphics into a rabid xenophobic diatribe (though I have no doubt he'd
get there).

Phil

Top Poster February 16th 08 03:56 PM

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A Coronation Street spin off

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"alan holmes" wrote in message
...

"Agamemnon" wrote in message
...
Complaint to the BBC and to the Torchwood production team.

On tuning in to watch the new episode of Torchwood the DOG was made even


What on earth is Torchwood?

Alan





soup[_3_] February 16th 08 04:46 PM

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alan holmes wrote:

What on earth is Torchwood?


An anagram of Doctor Who.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood

Alan White February 16th 08 11:17 PM

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:49:42 -0800 (PST), The Real Zarbiface
wrote:

On 15 Feb, 23:40, "Agamemnon" wrote:


Digest version of Aggy's post:

IGNORANT IDIOT!
IMBECILE!
YES IT IS.
YES IT IS!
BULL****!
ABSOLUTE CRAP.
WRONG!
IDIOT!
DOG


I've locked this post so that in times of deep depression I can read it
and have a good laugh.

Well done and thank you :-)

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

Kennedy McEwen February 17th 08 02:31 PM

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In article , J G Miller
writes
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:58:09 +0000, Kennedy McEwen wrote:
There is no such thing as the "BBC" in Merkin-land at all.

You obviously have never heard of "BBC America", operated by
BBC Worldwide and replete with commercials, generating revenue
for the BBC.

Whilst you can quote the difference between the "BBC" and "BBC America"
you clearly don't understand it.
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

Light of Aria February 17th 08 08:49 PM

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I have given up complaining about DOGs, IPPs, and other graphiti on
screen. It doesn't do any good any more. "They" have decided and are
not willing to listen to viewers.

I just don't watch these channels any more because they spoil my
enjoyment of the TV programmes.

Once BBC1 starts the same, I will cancel my TV license and find
something better to do.

M.



I also no longer communicate with broadcasters in any form.

I don't watch DOG **** saturated channels. I don't subscribe to them. I have
not paid the BBC TV Licence since 2002 nor will I ever do so again.

I occupy my life with more interesting, challenging, and demanding
activities.



marc_CH February 17th 08 09:22 PM

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Light of Aria wrote:

I occupy my life with more interesting, challenging, and demanding
activities.


No doubt that's why you are in Usenet.

--
marc

"If your dog were to mount your cat and penetrate its anus that would
still be rape even if your cat consented to it." -- Aggy

The Doctor February 17th 08 10:24 PM

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In article ,
marc_CH wrote:
Light of Aria wrote:

I occupy my life with more interesting, challenging, and demanding
activities.


No doubt that's why you are in Usenet.

--
marc

"If your dog were to mount your cat and penetrate its anus that would
still be rape even if your cat consented to it." -- Aggy


Long live USEnet.
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Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising! On March 3rd,
Alberta! Time for a change and beware Alliance in PC clothing. Vote Liberal!

Top Poster February 17th 08 10:26 PM

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Otherwise you would have to face life

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor" wrote in message
...
In article ,
marc_CH wrote:
Light of Aria wrote:

I occupy my life with more interesting, challenging, and demanding
activities.


No doubt that's why you are in Usenet.

--
marc

"If your dog were to mount your cat and penetrate its anus that would
still be rape even if your cat consented to it." -- Aggy


Long live USEnet.
--
Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising! On March 3rd,
Alberta! Time for a change and beware Alliance in PC clothing. Vote

Liberal!



Mark[_5_] February 18th 08 12:01 PM

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:36:25 +0000, Edster wrote:

The Real Zarbiface wrote:


On 14 Feb, 23:49, "Stephen Wilson"
wrote:

Thanks for the explanation Stephen.


So. Is your TV of the CRT or LCD type? Do you leave your TV tuned into a
station that uses solid DOGs for hours at a time?


CRT but I never sit for hours on end watching tv anyway. Who does,
apart from Billy No-Mates like Aggy or The Royale Family? ;-)

Mountain out of a mole hill as taught by Aggs.


As I thought. I was particularly amused by his threat not to watch
BBC3 again. As if the BBC give a toss if some nutjob stops watching,
when viewing figures are only estimated anyway.


Falling viewers is often the excuse that broadcasters use for putting
extra junk on screen. They see it as a way of competing with other
broadcasters for the dwindling number of viewers who will put up with
it. It doesn't seem to occur to them at all that they are driving the
viewers away themselves by doing it.


Exactly. I'm sure many people, including myself, have told them this
but they don't listen.

It's a classic situation: when their solution does not work, rather
than reversing a decision, they say "we need more of it" and so on in
a vicious circle. The ultimate conclusion of this will be when the
channel has zero viewers or someone comes to their senses.

M.

Mark[_5_] February 18th 08 12:08 PM

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:09:22 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On 15 Feb, 09:35, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:15:40 -0000, "Agamemnon"

wrote:

I just don't watch these channels any more because they spoil my
enjoyment of the TV programmes.

Once BBC1 starts the same, I will cancel my TV license and find
something better to do.


You mean you don't already have better things to do than watch BBC1
(like, say, watching any other channel that isn't ITV)?


I watch very little TV these days and I usually have better things to
do ;-) Occasionnally there is something worth watching on BBC 1 or 2.
However it would take only a small change (such as DOGs on BBC1) to
ensure that I watch no TV at all (except DVDs for the pedants ;-)

M.


ChrisM February 18th 08 05:25 PM

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In message ,
Kennedy McEwen Proclaimed from the tallest tower:



You have, in the words of Pink Floyd's Roger Waters: "Fifty two
channels of **** on the TV and nothing to choose from".


Pink Floyd Pedant Mode
Bit of a para-phrase there actually,
I think the original lyric was
'I got 13 channels of **** on the TV to choose from'
/Pink Floyd Pedant Mode

--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)




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