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Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
Well, I am wondering if I can sue Virgin for a new
Hi-Fi. Fortunately my speakers are stage monitors and cut-out if over-loaded and I resent the erosion of courtesy the US-style malicious-claim culture has led to here, so I shan't be. Anyone does, post here to keep us apprised though. Yes, that's right, Virgin have taken over the EPG for terrestrial digital television in some parts of the country. I nipped out today to go pick up the supplements to the papers that Menzies had not got to the newsagents in time whilst Countryfile was airing and when I got back and booted up the box, ooh, there's a message saying "new software has been downloaded, would you like to install it?" In all fairness, if you have an older digibox then it updates you with a Picture-in-Picture function so the EPG (Electronic Programme Guide) can be browsed whilst gasp watching the programme you're watching. On the downside, if you bought even a bog-standard cheapy box from a supermarket in the last 18 months the chances are you already have a P-in-P feature on your EPG and the chances are the P-in-P screen will occupy a more generous and easy-to-view window in the screen furniture than Virgin give you, what with all that advertising they cram around it and all. It's nice to have a browsable EPG that allows me to watch the programme I'm already watching. I may still go out and buy an up-to-date box anyway so I can get one without the advertising. I really don't like the bombardment of my senses that is Virgin's approach to brand profiling. What next? Blur-effect billboards that can be read from trains-on-the-move alongside the tracks that Virgin services operate on? A free pack of mentos with each bottle of Virgin cola and associated tie-in book detailing Brainiac-style fun science that can be done with it? Yes, the EPG is a quick and dirty appropriation of the ROM-coded EPGs that boxes come with these days, crammed full of advertising. But if you already have a browsable EPG with P-in-P for the channel you're already on, then I recommend you keep it. I can see I'm going to end up liaising with some techy mates, coding my own, and tweaking the DAB version of the iPod in-car transmitter to download it... ....then I can go spend 9 months sitting silently in a new pub scrutinising all the regulars in intense detail without actually ever saying anything and expect to be considered somehow polite. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
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Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
On Feb 3, 6:55*pm, Moley wrote:
FCS wrote in news:bb9b2a03-9249-43e5-bfd6- : Well, I am wondering if I can sue Virgin for a new Hi-Fi. Fortunately my speakers are stage monitors and cut-out if over-loaded and I resent the erosion of courtesy the US-style malicious-claim culture has led to here, so I shan't be. Anyone does, post here to keep us apprised though. Yes, that's right, Virgin have taken over the EPG for terrestrial digital television in some parts of the country. I nipped out today to go pick up the supplements to the papers that Menzies had not got to the newsagents in time whilst Countryfile was airing...etc. [Reams of more randomness sipped] WTF are you talking about and what does it have to do with your Hi- Fi??!?! I am talking about the fact that Virgin have reprogrammed my box so the EPG is now an advertising billboard for them that returning it to factory settings does not work and that because I take the line-out from my box through a mixer into an amp the *******s would've blown my speakers by resetting the unit's volume to maximum and cranking up the output from low-Z phono levels to high-Z line levels, all by default, all without a hint. I don't ususally bother with swearing but they are bunch of creepy, presumptious, ****-for-brains ****ing *******s and I am going to be taking this up with OFCOM as it was presented merely as a upgrade to the software, which I thought might prove useful. I have since deleted their channels from my box. -- ____________________________ Moley G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
FCS wrote:
Yes, that's right, Virgin have taken over the EPG for terrestrial digital television in some parts of the country. No they haven't. Are you mixing up DTT (aka Freeview, aka DVB-T) with Virgin Media cable TV (aka DVB-C) ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
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, FCS wrote I have since deleted their channels from my box. If you are so anti Virgin Media why not just ditch their subscription service and get your TV service from elsewhere.? -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
On Feb 3, 7:13*pm, Mark Carver wrote:
FCS wrote: Yes, that's right, Virgin have taken over the EPG for terrestrial digital television in some parts of the country. No they haven't. Are you mixing up DTT (aka Freeview, aka DVB-T) with Virgin Media cable TV (aka DVB-C) *? Yes, they bloody have. Round here they have anyway. I have a caravan style UHF aerial plugged into the back of the box which is SCART-ed up to a VCR and run out to an old-stlye tube television. There is no cable in. Anyway, it gets worse. The channels I had deleted prior to the forced re-scan, despite showing up as available from the transmitter, are not in evidence at all even after two rescans. The majority are, or rather were, paid for channels, like Setanta and UKTV Gold, but there's no reason they should stay paid-for if, say, the broadcaster goes belly-up. No, Virgin have tried to be a bunch of cocky clever *******s and have basically ****ed up the EPROM in my box irretrievably so far as I can make out. I will be taking this up with OFCOM. It's a twenty-odd quid terrestrial digital receiver box bought from a chain supermarket Dec 2005, I have installed the whole lot myself, so yes, I am pretty ****ing sure I haven't confused it with a cable system that the property owner or my parents or whoever has installed. When I pull the aerial out I don't get any signal at all. Coo. Looks like it's terrestrial digital freeview. I had a feeling they'd be introducing it piecemeal, hence the "DON'T ****ING DOWLOAD THIS SO-CALLED UPGRADE!!!!!" posts to the relevant groups. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. Actually, I'll just follow up to the groups if you don't mind... G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"FCS" wrote in message ... On Feb 3, 7:13 pm, Mark Carver wrote: FCS wrote: Yes, that's right, Virgin have taken over the EPG for terrestrial digital television in some parts of the country. No they haven't. Are you mixing up DTT (aka Freeview, aka DVB-T) with Virgin Media cable TV (aka DVB-C) ? Yes, they bloody have. Round here they have anyway. So just where is here?? Steve Terry |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
FCS wrote:
[snip load of rambling nonsense] Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? The fact that the "upgrade" I installed this very morning My very self is nothing more than an advertising billboard. For Virgin. this is even to the extent that the channel list persistently displays Virgin1 on channel 20 at the bottom of the screen. Thanks for being so forthcoming on who does and how I can approach them, by the way. I shall now have to take some time out to establish whether or not I can reinstate channels deleted prior to said "upgrade". Manually. Even if they didn't post the upgrade for auto-installation they are, presumably, responsible for the coding (i.e., it's **** and poorly thought-through.). You work for them or somet'? If you know of an available anonymous-uploading FTP archive I can send you a JPEG of the new EPG screen. Unfortunately I can't show you a photograph of the old one as, oddly enough, I never thought to take one. Loks of red all over the place, lots of Virgin branding, Separate promotional window in the bottom right with various adverts for Virgin in it. Looks pretty much like the Beardy's bunch to me... -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
FCS wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? The fact that the "upgrade" I installed this very morning My very self is nothing more than an advertising billboard. For Virgin. this is even to the extent that the channel list persistently displays Virgin1 on channel 20 at the bottom of the screen. What is the exact model number, and manufacturer of your box ? You work for them or somet'? No, If you know of an available anonymous-uploading FTP archive I can send you a JPEG of the new EPG screen. http://photobucket.com/ HTH -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
In message , FCS
wrote The fact that the "upgrade" I installed this very morning For that to happen you must have a subscription with Virgin Media (aka Telewest/NTL) and be using one of their supplied boxes. If this is not the case which Freeview box are you using? Which transmitter are you getting your signals from? -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? The fact that the "upgrade" I installed this very morning My very self is nothing more than an advertising billboard. For Virgin. this is even to the extent that the channel list persistently displays Virgin1 on channel 20 at the bottom of the screen. What is the exact model number, and manufacturer of your box ? Well, it appears that rather than a from-the-box reset doing an automatic channel scan has not only reinstated said deleted channels but has also re-prioritised the original EPG code which came with it. All that remains is a notice that the box has been upgraded to receive a new free EPG which will become available in the next few weeks. I'm sure you can understand how I wouldn't wish to be writing your technical support script for you given how much it costs to call...not for free anyway. I'm still uncertain what's gone on from the transmitter side. As it's back to how it was now I shall butt out. What this unfortunately translates to in practice is that until I've plaid around a bit more with it I can no longer send you a photo of the new "upgraded" EPG; I shall however put my energies into doing just this for the rest of the evening--particularly as I now can get the original one back on demand it appears, which in all honesty was my major concern. You work for them or somet'? No, If you know of an available anonymous-uploading FTP archive I can send you a JPEG of the new EPG screen. http://photobucket.com/ HTH -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
FCS wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? The fact that the "upgrade" I installed this very morning My very self is nothing more than an advertising billboard. For Virgin. this is even to the extent that the channel list persistently displays Virgin1 on channel 20 at the bottom of the screen. Thanks for being so forthcoming on who does and how I can approach them, by the way. I shall now have to take some time out to establish whether or not I can reinstate channels deleted prior to said "upgrade". Manually. I presume you have a "return to shipping condition" setting in the settup menu otherwise known as a "factory reset"? (kim) |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? I think FCS is referring to the "Teletext Plus" over-air download, which is being sent via MUX1... Please see http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/download_schedule.pl This happend to my Bush DTT receiver the other week. It turns out that the OAD was from the manufacturer "Technotrend" (found in many Goodmans, Bush and other branded DTT boxes). There is an option in the menu, to return to the "standard" DTT EPG. Chris. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"Chris" wrote in message . uk... "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? I think FCS is referring to the "Teletext Plus" over-air download, which is being sent via MUX1... Please see http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/download_schedule.pl This happend to my Bush DTT receiver the other week. It turns out that the OAD was from the manufacturer "Technotrend" (found in many Goodmans, Bush and other branded DTT boxes). There is an option in the menu, to return to the "standard" DTT EPG. Well I haven't found it yet. If I do a full automatic search it reinstates the old EPG and the full list of channels available. If I do a from-the-box rescan then the guide replaced with the teletext service as described by Chris which, thus far anyway, appears to be sponsored by Virgin. I no longer receive channel 5 now so will have to do a full automatic rescan again having got the requisiste screen caps to upload to the photo website you pointed me to. I shall not be uploading them if I need to subscribe for an account, can you point me in the direction of your area mark so I can upload them there? Chris. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
See the rest of this thread.
"kim" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? The fact that the "upgrade" I installed this very morning My very self is nothing more than an advertising billboard. For Virgin. this is even to the extent that the channel list persistently displays Virgin1 on channel 20 at the bottom of the screen. Thanks for being so forthcoming on who does and how I can approach them, by the way. I shall now have to take some time out to establish whether or not I can reinstate channels deleted prior to said "upgrade". Manually. I presume you have a "return to shipping condition" setting in the settup menu otherwise known as a "factory reset"? (kim) |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"G DAEB" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message . uk... "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. OK, the upshot is that by doing a full automatic scan I can get the full channel list back and the box returns to its original format EPG; by doing a from-the-box install *after that* the various channels I had deleted on the basis they are paid-for/scrambled and thus of no interest to me disappear, as does Channel 5, and maybe some others. the audio feed, which was a nice passable broad spectrum stereo is now wimpy and narrow and I need to mix it through a line-in rather than phono as even on volume notch one it just distorts into unacceptable overdriven mush--I have yet to listen to any of the stations where it matters, like stereo radio. All in all? I'm really not sure what's just been done to my box but I don't like it and am not convinced various parts of the EPROM haven't been over-written, and overall it seems like a poorly thought-out sabotage of various reasonably well-engineered solutions (E.g. BBC radio). The audio-out setting appears to have been defaulted to somewhere in the EPROM and an automatic rescan, whilst reinstating the channels, makes no difference to the audio signal now it's been messed with. It is chock full of Virgin promotional material and, having reinstated all the channels, I shall be making certain I now delete all of theirs--as they are likely to have more clout with the new EPG service provider than I have. I don't see why it's been done and as far as I'm concerned they've irrevocably trashed my box. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? I think FCS is referring to the "Teletext Plus" over-air download, which is being sent via MUX1... Please see http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/download_schedule.pl This happend to my Bush DTT receiver the other week. It turns out that the OAD was from the manufacturer "Technotrend" (found in many Goodmans, Bush and other branded DTT boxes). There is an option in the menu, to return to the "standard" DTT EPG. Well I haven't found it yet. If I do a full automatic search it reinstates the old EPG and the full list of channels available. If I do a from-the-box rescan then the guide replaced with the teletext service as described by Chris which, thus far anyway, appears to be sponsored by Virgin. I no longer receive channel 5 now so will have to do a full automatic rescan again having got the requisiste screen caps to upload to the photo website you pointed me to. I shall not be uploading them if I need to subscribe for an account, can you point me in the direction of your area mark so I can upload them there? Chris. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
G DAEB wrote:
I'm sure you can understand how I wouldn't wish to be writing your technical support script for you given how much it costs to call...not for free anyway. What are you talking about ? Oh, I've got it, you're a troll. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: [snip load of rambling nonsense] Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? Well, you can scratch what I said about an auto scan reinstating lost channles. It did the once, but having done another out-of-the-box install it seems they are gone forever, including the entire 5 portfolio. Where did I get the idea Virgin are behind this new EPG? Well, I deleted Virgin 1 and Virgin Radio from the box, and Virgin 1 persists as the-channel-which-must-be-scrolled-through-in-order-to-scroll-down (page down jumps farther than a screenful). I then left it half an hour or so and...hey presto...Virgin 1 has auto-reinstated itself! Strongly suggests they're something to do with it, no? that's right: to paraphrase S-Express (was it) they're un-de-lete-a-bull... -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
Normally nobody other than the manufacturer of the box can issue new
firmware for it. I suppose Virgin could be paying the manufacturer of your box to add adverts for them, seems pretty weird though. Reason "Virgin 1" appears is that it is a freeview channel now; it's the new name for the channel that was called "FTN". Reason Channel 5 etc don't appear reliably is probably poor reception. Where are you and do you have a roof mounted aerial pointing correctly at the transmitter? -- Brian Gregory. (In the UK) To email me remove the letter vee. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
I got the impression from the comments that the epg had been modified to
allow loads of adverts to no doubt coin in the money. I'm surprised we don't have adverts coming out of the gas, electric and water outlets by now as well. Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... FCS wrote: [snip load of rambling nonsense] Let's go back to square one for a moment. Virgin do not, and never have, managed the software upgrades, nor the EPG data on UK DTT. Where did you get the idea from that they have ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Virgin EPG auto-loads by default on terrestrial digital
Mike Henry wrote:
This could be easily nipped in the bud with the make and model number of the DTT STB (if it is in reality a DTT box that he has), and checked against the DTG upgrade schedules page. My son's got Virgin "Digital TV". In reality a little DTT box of unremarked manufacture. He got it with the Virgin "bundle" - Broadband via BT, and Digital TV via this DTT STB. There is no Cable marching past his place! We were up there Sun - Tues (Sheffield - and Belmont Tx)and there's no new ad infested EPG, nor did he report any upgrade offered. Richard |
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