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Cass Lewart February 3rd 08 06:45 AM

Superbowl in HD?
 
As I understand in NYC area it will be carried by Fox which does not
have an HD channel. The analog channel is 5 and the digital SD
channel is 5-1. Will they switch to HD by tomorrow?
Cass

Cass Lewart February 3rd 08 07:05 AM

Superbowl in HD?
 
Cass Lewart ) wrote:
: As I understand in NYC area it will be carried by Fox which does not
: have an HD channel. The analog channel is 5 and the digital SD
: channel is 5-1. Will they switch to HD by tomorrow?

I just checked it again. 5-1 is transmitted in 720p. PBS and other
networks send their HD channels in 1080i so 5-1 will be close to HD.
Cass

G-squared February 3rd 08 07:12 AM

Superbowl in HD?
 
On Feb 2, 10:05*pm, (Cass Lewart) wrote:
Cass Lewart ) wrote:

: As I understand in NYC area it will be carried by Fox which does not
: have an HD channel. The analog channel is 5 and the digital SD
: channel is 5-1. Will they switch to HD by tomorrow?

I just checked it again. 5-1 is transmitted in 720p. PBS and other
networks send their HD channels in 1080i so 5-1 will be close to HD.
Cass


You're being a little daft. 720p is official HD, not just 'close'. ABC
and ESPN are 720p and KCET PBS in LA converts 1080i to 720p.

Enjoy the game.

GG

Mark A[_2_] February 3rd 08 07:19 AM

Superbowl in HD?
 
"Cass Lewart" wrote in message
...
I just checked it again. 5-1 is transmitted in 720p. PBS and other
networks send their HD channels in 1080i so 5-1 will be close to HD.
Cass


720p is considered to be HD. The main tradeoff between the two is that 1080i
shows more detail than 720p for a stationary shot of a subject at the
expense of a lower effective refresh rate than 720p and the introduction of
interlace artifacts during motion with 1080i. The P is for progressive scan,
and the i is for interlace. So 720p may actually be better for sporting
events (maybe unless you have one of the new 120 Hz LCD panels).

In addition to Fox, both ESPN HD and ABC HD are broadcast in 720p (the later
2 being both owned by Disney).

If you were comparing 720p to 1080p, that would be another story, but no one
is broadcasting in 1080p. You can get 1080p in Blue Ray HD video discs.



Jerome Zelinske[_3_] February 3rd 08 07:20 AM

Superbowl in HD?
 
720p is HD.

Agent_C February 3rd 08 01:54 PM

Superbowl in HD?
 
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 01:19:35 -0500, "Mark A"
wrote:

So 720p may actually be better for sporting
events (maybe unless you have one of the new 120 Hz LCD panels).


Why would a 120 Hz panel be less desirable for sports @ 720p ???

A_C

Mark A[_2_] February 3rd 08 02:27 PM

Superbowl in HD?
 
"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
Why would a 120 Hz panel be less desirable for sports @ 720p ???

A_C


It would not be less desirable, but the improvement of 120 Hz sets may not
be as noticeable if the broadcast was in 720p as compared to 1080i.



[email protected] February 3rd 08 03:24 PM

Superbowl in HD?
 
On Sun, Feb 3, 2008, 5:45am (EST+5)
(Cass*Lewart) wrote:

As I understand in NYC area it will be carried by
Fox which does not have an HD channel. The analog
channel is 5 and the digital SD channel is 5-1.


There is no such thing as an HD channel or an SD channel. ATSC
subchannels are virtual -- they are *not* finite-width frequency
divisions of the 6MHz channel. Rather, they are allocations of the
19.39 Mbps bitrate, and the allocation to each subchannel varies second
by second depending upon the subject matter of that subchannel. So,
channel 5-1 could change back and forth between standard definition and
high definition many times each day.

Will they switch to HD by tomorrow?


Regardless of the fact that 5-1 is already broadcasting HD, if they
*had* been broadcasting SD, then yes -- it would be probable that it
would be switched to HD for the game.


Richard Cranium February 3rd 08 04:40 PM

Superbowl in HD?
 
GREAT!!!

Then I can watch it in peace on my Dumont with the magnifying glass
hanging down in front of the 5 inch screen.

Ain't technology grand?



On 03 Feb 2008 15:02:37 GMT, "John Q. Public" wrote:

In message , Cass Lewart is alleged to
have said:

As I understand in NYC area it will be carried by Fox which does not
have an HD channel. The analog channel is 5 and the digital SD
channel is 5-1. Will they switch to HD by tomorrow?


It's going to be in 320 x 240 Black And White.



Alan F February 3rd 08 05:56 PM

Superbowl in HD?
 
Cass Lewart wrote:
Cass Lewart ) wrote:
: As I understand in NYC area it will be carried by Fox which does not
: have an HD channel. The analog channel is 5 and the digital SD
: channel is 5-1. Will they switch to HD by tomorrow?

I just checked it again. 5-1 is transmitted in 720p. PBS and other
networks send their HD channels in 1080i so 5-1 will be close to HD.
Cass


Good grief. The Fox network has been broadcasting in 720p HD since
they switched from their 480i widescreen some 4+ years ago. Fox has been
broadcasting up 6 NFL games in 720p HD every Sunday for at least the
past 2 seasons (on Sundays where they have 7 games, the extra games are
in widescreen SD). American Idol has been in 720p and DD 5.1 on their
digital broadcast for at least the past 3 years, if not four.

Do you seriously think that the Fox owned and operated flagship
station in NYC has not been broadcasting a HD signal since Fox switched
to 720p? Now Fox does use a lot of widescreen 480i SD on their reality
programs and Saturday night staples such as Cops, which can fool some
people in thinking it is HD. But the Superbowl will be in HD. BTW, the
NFL has mandated that every regular season game must be in HD for the
2008 season, so CBS and Fox will have to build additional HD studios to
handle the full set of games on Sunday. This year there were a range of
0-3 games on a typical weekend that were in SD, but the rest were HD.
There is no last minute switch to HD for the Superbowl after this many
years into the HD TV conversion.

Now Fox probably does have the poorest HD broadcast coverage across
the US of the big four networks. A number of their stations in the
smaller or rural markets are Class A or low power or full power stations
that started after 1998 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFXP-TV for an
example that just came up in avsforum) and don't have a digital
simulcast channel. These stations will have to wait until they do a
digital flash cut conversion in February, 2009, although many low power
stations will likely be allowed to do their conversion sometime after
that. But if you are in a top 40 or 50 DMA, you have Fox available OTA
in HD if you are not blocked by terrain or a building.

For the record, as others have posted 720p is HD. With the flood of
1080p TVs (good thing), people now appear to be thinking that the source
has to be 1080p for it to be real HD. Even though, unless they have a
very large screen or sit real close, they really can't tell the
difference at first or second look between a 720p or 1080i source. 720p
is very close to 1080i at a temporal data rate if you do the simple
math. Ok, end of mild rant...

Alan F



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